Ron English as DC again?
January 18th, 2011 at 12:27 AM ^
Will Brady Hoke recruit players in the same way he is recruiting his coordinators?
I think I'll die bit by bit everyday if that is the case.
//Sorry I am feeling really depressed today (maybe to do with the fact that I am getting married in a week)
January 18th, 2011 at 12:44 AM ^
I am hoping against hope that this is someone's idea of a sick, twisted joke.
January 18th, 2011 at 12:47 AM ^
Are you people forgetting the disaster our defense has been the past 3 years?
Sure, "the Horror," but we also beat MSU, PSU, ND and Florida that year. We finished the season...gasp...RANKED. Remember that? Sure it was #18, but REMEMBER THAT???
Not saying hiring English would be a dynamic move...he wasn't a great DC, but rather a decent one with some defend-the-spread issues. But he was millions and millions of mega-miles better than anything we've had since. We live in a smashmouth conference, after all, so it's far, far worse for us to have defend-the-smashmouth issues than defend-the-spread issues. Incidentally, that's exactly the problem we've had. 6-18 in the Big 10 proves it.
Would I choose English over Mattison or Austen? No. Would I choose him over GERG or Shafer running the 3-3-5 on crack? Hell yes.
January 18th, 2011 at 1:38 AM ^
Giving up 35 points to Florida that year. We gave up 24 to MSU. ND was starting a true freshman QB on a bad 9 loss team. PSU's offense was boo boo that year as well. So yeah, I remember that.
When the season started, most people said the defense would lag behind the offense, so that was no surprise. But I'm not going to be lulled into the myth that the Big Ten is a "smashmouth" conference and he could help in those areas. Every team outside of maybe Wisky has elements of the spread. If we can't defend it, we'll get butchered.
Does he suck? No. But the 2007 season just shows he's an average coordinator. But I would take him over Mattison. He ran off multiple good players in the early-mid 90's, and I don't want to see a repeat of that.
January 18th, 2011 at 2:36 AM ^
1) Won the Florida game, against Tim Tebow in his record-setting Heisman season
2) Shut out ND, freshman QB or no
3) Beat MSU
4) Beat PSU
5) Won 6 games in our conference
6) Finished #2 in the Big 10
In Rich Rod's 3 years we never:
1) Beat an SEC team and/or a team with a Heisman-winning QB
2) Shut out anyone, even cupcake teams
3) Beat MSU
4) Beat PSU
5) Won even 4 games in our conference
6) Finished even in the top 6 in our conference
Agree with you on English's merits as a DC. But the fact that people seem to misremember the past 5 years so egregiously baffles me. Our defense UNDER English was somewhere between "solid" and "meh." Our defense AFTER English was, first, "a step in the wrong direction" and then devolved into "historically, uniquely bad." Realistically, then, a return to English would thus probably mean incremental improvement over the status quo. Again, is that what I want? No. But it's still soooooo much better than GERG's 3-3-5 on purple drank.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:16 AM ^
You realize that 07 team had 5 players from the offefnse alone drafted into the NFL right? We didn't have to win with defense. It's fun to list off facts. Here are some off the top of my head:
1. First team in NCAA history to lose to a DII (I think they were still called that back in 07) team while ranked inside the top 10.
2. Got beaten so badly by Oregon that the starting running back was laughing in the huddle at the end of the game, wondering which defensive lineman was going to give up next.
3. Let up at least 34 points to 4 different teams.
4. Lost 4 games while having the leading passer and leading rusher in U of M football history on the team.
Please don't think that winning 9 games = good defense.
January 18th, 2011 at 8:05 AM ^
January 18th, 2011 at 11:56 PM ^
January 18th, 2011 at 4:22 AM ^
There is no comparison because GERG + 3-3-5 = DOOM! What I remember is our defense getting hammered against OSU, USC, App St and Oregon between 2006-2007 in 4 consecutive games. Not until the fearsome duo of Jimmy Clausen and Anthony Morelli did our D stop someone.
If you start equating English to GERG, then yes, that would be an upgrade, but what are we upgrading the D to? What we had three years ago? I'd rather get it right and hire a DC that's going to get us well beyond "improvemnt over the status quo".
January 20th, 2011 at 1:49 AM ^
So it's moot. But my point was that too many people on here have come to accept this myth that things were so horrid under Carr and his staff, while they were promising under Rodriguez and his staff.
The fact is, in 2006 we had a very good team that really only had one bad half the whole season, and in 2007 we had a talented team that did not live up to expectations but still managed to win a whole bunch of games against good competition, in part because of its defense.
While that's not ideal, I made the point that it was light years beyond the unmitigated, deepening disaster we experienced on defense 2008-10.
Like I said earlier, I would not have wanted English over Mattison or several other candidates. But I would have seen his re-hire as a step up from GERG's and RR's sherm-3-5. Some of the reaction on here was as if English would have been a step down from that. I don't see any way in which it would have been, unless you're so mired in revisionist history that you can't see clearly anymore.
Still wouldn't have been a great hire, though...
January 18th, 2011 at 7:18 AM ^
But why must we be content with just good. Why can't we have a DC that can be great. Just because our D has sucked the past few years doesn't mean we should shoot for a goal of 9 wins a year from now on. Can't we just get someone who may actually may be great?
January 18th, 2011 at 7:18 AM ^
Double
January 18th, 2011 at 12:47 AM ^
On his purported facebook profile? I give it five fakes out of five.
January 18th, 2011 at 12:47 AM ^
For the love of Christ, just no.
NO.
I'm willing to give Hoke a chance, and his enthusiasm for the program is great to hear.
But this would be a huge step backward, which could cause serious head asplosion.
January 18th, 2011 at 7:04 AM ^
Is it even possible to take a step back from Gerg? Was anyone making compelling arguments for consecutive onside kicks under RE?
January 18th, 2011 at 12:56 AM ^
I am just trying to find a positive- everybody seems like a Debbie downer lately- as they used to always say on Fantasy Island.....smiles everyone, smiles.
January 18th, 2011 at 1:01 AM ^
Lloyd Carr is secretly running this program from his basement in South Carolina via skype.
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<br>Seriously if English comes back it will set us back even more defensively. WTF
January 18th, 2011 at 1:51 AM ^
Skype? That's ridiculous. Everybody knows Carr used ham radio to tell DB's facetube kids when to tweeter the Ron English rumor.
January 18th, 2011 at 6:13 AM ^
January 18th, 2011 at 11:58 AM ^
Don't sell Carr short - he has a CB Radio for going mobile.
January 18th, 2011 at 1:41 AM ^
January 18th, 2011 at 2:47 AM ^
Ron English was a great DC. He has put many of players in the NFL. Since he's left we may have a few go, but that is it.
The only problem with our defense then was our players were not conditioned well and that is not RE fault. That was the S&C coach's problem then. The S&C coach had been with MICHIGAN since Bo and no one would let him go until RR came in and then he retired. With Enlgish we were feared.
I hope this is true. I've been wanting this since he left, cause they would not give him the HC job.
Come home RE, COME HOME.
When you get the chance look up his bio and then look at the S&C coach.
Don't blame RE. Blame the old HC's for not bringing in a new S&C coach
January 18th, 2011 at 1:41 AM ^
We will be safe.
January 18th, 2011 at 2:03 AM ^
It's a post on a probably fake facebook page and everyone's crying?
Unreal.
January 18th, 2011 at 2:12 AM ^
The Sith Lord smiles. It is the end of the republic.
January 18th, 2011 at 2:41 AM ^
I like Ron. So far I'm not blown away by the rest of the coaches coming here from SDSU. Get as many M guys as possible.
January 18th, 2011 at 2:46 AM ^
I would def. take Mattison over English.
January 18th, 2011 at 3:21 AM ^
January 18th, 2011 at 6:00 AM ^
Big news could also mean UofM and EMU are working out a long term contract to play every year or now that Hoke is back in town they are getting their garage band back together.
January 18th, 2011 at 7:30 AM ^
or it could mean Hoke contacted English to talk to Steve Morrison. Morrison (started as a true freshman, was all Big-Ten and played 4 years with the Colts) is English's lb coach.
January 18th, 2011 at 6:57 AM ^
my plan worked perfectly everyone! I hacked into his account and put that up. Guy hasn't used it in months.
What a great way to make the mgoboard panic!
January 18th, 2011 at 7:32 AM ^
I don't know if his FB post was ever confirmed.
January 18th, 2011 at 7:49 AM ^
I hope our defensive players all have fathers. If not, Ron English doesn't want 'em.
January 18th, 2011 at 8:19 AM ^
where's the shaking head emoticon?
January 18th, 2011 at 8:32 AM ^
While I'd like to paint it in a positive light, I have visions of Chris Graham covering slot receivers dancing through my head.
Prediction: PAIN.
January 18th, 2011 at 8:51 AM ^
I was able to cope with:
- the past 3 years
- the delay in firing RR
- the "national search"
- The Hokester
- and the loss of a few rew recruits.
But I simply cannot cope with Ron English as our choice for DC. The very thought of is has me in slight panic mode. I have work to do today yet this news will now force me to neglect my responsibilities and research the hell out of this rumor in hopes that it's not true.
(As I type this, I'll rationalize that the rumor ISN'T true because there's absolutely no reason to wait to hire a DC if the choice is some guy whose season has been over for 2 months.)
January 18th, 2011 at 8:56 AM ^
Also an outstanding recruitor as well.
I don't think he would give up a head coach job though, even if its EMU
January 18th, 2011 at 9:33 AM ^
I believe you forgot the /s at the end.
January 18th, 2011 at 9:57 AM ^
Honestly, I can't figure out the negativity regarding English (and just about everything tied to the Carr era).
In 2006, we had one of the best defenses in the country - we were scary good. Yes, we couldn't stop Troy Smith - neither could anyone else - dude won the Heisman, wrecking just about every D that he faced that year.
Ron English is a good D coordinator. And, more importantly after the debacle that DB caused with the 2011 recruiting class, he was a great recruiter (D. Warren was a 5* from Cali that he pulled in).
English would be a hell of a step up from whatever the excuse for a D staff that we had the past few seasons.
January 18th, 2011 at 10:20 AM ^
We were scary good against a scary bad Big 10. We won a squeaker against our current coach that year, then got lit up by the two good teams we played in 2006. Then at the start of the next year, with loads of talent, we were again torched by Appalachian State, then Oregon in consecutive weeks. Ron English was very average if that, and played with a massive talent advantage over most of his 2006 opponents, with players who somebody else had coached up.
January 18th, 2011 at 12:25 PM ^
He also left the cupboard very bare for the next staff. Had Lloyd not left, we may be talking about how English let our secondary get so bad.
January 18th, 2011 at 1:30 PM ^
If it wasn't for Ron English, we would never have had the opportunity to watch the genuis of Johnny Sears at work.
January 18th, 2011 at 9:02 AM ^
obvious sarcastic remark...so maybe he is better suited as an Asst. Coach (DC). Maybe the combo of Hoke's defensive mind and English together would bring the D back to U of M standards.
Ron English - EMU
2009 0-12
2010 2-10
He's improving....I guess
January 18th, 2011 at 9:30 AM ^
Please.
January 18th, 2011 at 10:04 AM ^
On WTKA this morning, Sam Webb stated his opinion on this, saying that he thinks that that Facebook post is a "hoax post on a hoax page." He said he is 99.99% sure it's a hoax.
He talked about Greg Mattison or Teryl Austin being more likely possibilities for DC.
January 18th, 2011 at 9:52 AM ^
why does my week have to start w/ sadness?
January 18th, 2011 at 9:52 AM ^
I've started to piss on this parade because our recruiting is in such bad shape this year. Basically, our recruiting class is so bad it's going to be impossible to be considered national championship material in 2013-2014. Could we still win the B10? Absolutely. But no chance at a natty when you've got ~10 kids a few weeks before signing day and not one in sight that looks like a "sure commit".
The Ron English news would be like someone bringing a group of monkeys to my piss parade, and having them throw shit at everyone. That's what it would be like.
January 18th, 2011 at 10:03 AM ^
Please God No. Ron English is a nice guy, but I absolutely do not want him anywhere near my defense. To me this is like a younger version of Gerg.