That's the only conclusion that I can draw from his recent Big 10 power rankings which has UM as a dismal 8th place ahead of only Minnesota, Indiana and Illinois.
A side note: One common theme I have seen among much of the MSM is how much of an impact Marve is going to have at Purdue which I find odd because his numbers at Miami (YTM) were mediocre at best.
We need to earn respect. If I
I am confused by the logic,
I am confused by the logic, as well. Why is the addition of a quality QB (according to the source) expected to make Purdue so much better, when the subtraction of a quality QB is not expected to hurt Penn State. I am guessing that the poor QB play that I see coming costs Penn State 2-3 games that they would not have lost otherwise.
Not that I agree with him (I
Not that I agree with him (I think PSU is really overrated coming in to this season), but I think his logic isn't unreasonable. Royster is coming back and PSU's defense should be solid again. If the defense can shut down opponents' offenses, heavy reliance on the run game could compensate for lack of a good QB. But like I said, I don't think they'll be very good this year. I think the UM v. PSU game is a toss-up, if not favorable to UM.
Yeah, but doesn't PSU have to
Yeah, but doesn't PSU have to replace a good chunk of the OL as well? Royster is only as good as his line play. I can see why the media isn't forecasting doom for Penn State, but I don't know how their offense is going to be good. They better be ready to win a lot of 17-13 games.
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No one
has to be impressed with us at this point. Once we start proving it on the field, the MSM will be jumping on the bandwagon very quickly.
Starting Sept 4th we prove the skeptics wrong!!!!
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That's just like, his opinion, man
The MSM can pile it on and doubt.
When we take the field Sept. 4, shit is going down.
Christ in me arise and dispel all the darkness.
+1 for invoking The Dude,
+1 for invoking The Dude, man. Good night sweet prince.
Low expectations
we should be welcoming low expectations with open arms here. Michigan has always performed best (at least in my lifetime) when the expectations were low, and underachieved when the expectations were high.
Not that I loved Rich Rod less, but that I loved Michigan more.
As evidenced by 1997:
As evidenced by 1997: Pre-season #16. Most expected another ho-hum 8-4 campaign.
Brewer. Wolverine.
I look forward to the day
8-4 is yet again considered ho-hum for Michigan football.
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One common theme I have
One common theme I have seen among much of the MSM is how much of an impact Marve is going to have at Purdue which I find odd because his numbers at Miami (YTM) were mediocre at best.
Actually they were terrible. Threet-esque.
he was a higly ranked recruit
he was a higly ranked recruit and has now had another year. i expect him to impress.
He was ranked one spot ahead
He was ranked one spot ahead of Threet.
yeah, i kind of expect threet
yeah, i kind of expect threet to pan out eventually too.
I know he's got a good shot
I know he's got a good shot at starting at ASU this year, but he was god-awful. Even if he takes big steps I can't seem him being very good.
Wow, this seems so long ago.
Here's to better times ahead.
Hide ya kids, hide ya wife.
Threet gets too much hate.
Threet gets too much hate. Sheridan was terrible. Threet was a freshman in an offense that didn't suit him with very little around him on a team learning an entirely new offense. He was knicked up for much of the season. He still managed to put up slightly above average numbers for a freshman. Hell, his TD/INT ratio was almost identical to Forcier's last year. Personally, I feel that Threet probably would have put up at the very least similiar numbers to Tate if he was around last year.
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I'm not trying to insult the
I'm not trying to insult the guy, he just wasn't any good. Marve was no better.
But that's my point. Threet
But that's my point. Threet was fine. He wasn't bad. He was basically an average freshman QB (statistically) even with all the things working against him.
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He really wasn't.
He really wasn't.
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I don't think that is too
I don't think that is too accurate. 9/7 TDs to INT ratio compared to 13/10 is just about the only thing "similar." Tate had double the passing yards, a much higher completion percentage, and his QB rating was quite a bit higher as well. Threet gets about as much hate as he deserved - it isn't as thought the offense is the reason he regularly overthrew receivers, it is because he just wasn't that good. Unless you are suggesting the being under center causes you to become more accurate, in which case Steven Threet's spring game numbers at ASU would like to talk to you because they disagree.
I was saying if Threet was
I was saying if Threet was the QB last year (as a sophmore) I believe his numbers would have been at least similiar to Tate as a freshman. I thought that was pretty obvious.
The point is that he put up fine (read: average) numbers for a freshman QB. He doesn't deserve all the hate he gets. Sheridan, yes. Threet. no.
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I'm not gonna
give any hate to Sheridan, a kid who was a walk-on, who from everything I heard, gave it everything he had. Did he have the physical tools to make the passes needed? No. Is it his fault he was the best thing we had available? No. He gave it everything he had, and for that, I appreciate him. Now if this was the Lions, it would be another story, because those are professionals. But Sheridan....I'm gonna lay off him.
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Neither of them deserve
Neither of them deserve "hate".
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They were both ill-suited to this offense, and played behind a patchwork o-line.
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Agree
Put Threet on the 2001 team and I don't think you see much difference between him and Navarre.
Threet 2008 QB Rating:
Threet 2008 QB Rating: 105.3
Forcier 2009 QB Rating: 128.1
Threet Comp Pct 2008: 51
Tate Comp Pct 2009: 58.7
Threet yds/att: 5.5
Forcier yds/att: 7.3
Threet TD: 9
Forcier TD: 13
Threet Int 2008: 7
Tate Int 2009: 10
Threet's numbers were not good at all. I'm not one to dog the guy, as he played his ass off when he was the only option in the wrong offense, but he was bad in 2008.
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And didn't we have a diary
And didn't we have a diary that showed that Tate basically played at the level of an average second year starter? Tate was clearly ahead of where Threet was when each were freshman. And once again. Threet's numbers were not bad for a first year starter/freshman. They were average. There's no question in my mind that with another year in the system, he at least matches Tate's numbers from last year.
No one is trying to say Threet is equal to/better than Tate. Not at all.
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What I'm saying is that
What I'm saying is that Threet was very well below the average freshman. You keep saying he was average, but the numbers don't add up.
Threet QB Rating: 105.3
Average: 118
Threet Comp Pct: 51
Average: 55.8
Threet Yards/Att: 5.5
Average: 6.7
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citation?
Those are pretty specific numbers to not have a citation.
http://mgoblog.com/diaries/mc
http://mgoblog.com/diaries/mcalibur
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Both were incredibly easy to find.
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Yards per attempt is a little
Yards per attempt is a little misleading for Threet, as the line was so bad it seemed like about half the passes that year were screens (although that doesn't help the completion percentage number, certainly).
Since 2004, sixty-four freshman QB's have thrown at least 100 passes in a season (BCS conferences + ND only). Of those 64:
35 had the same or less TD's (54.7%)
41 had the same or more INT's (64.1%)
37 had a worse TD/INT ratio (57.8%)
23 had a worse completion percentage (35.9%)
21 had less yards (32.8%)
I also think it's a little slippery to pick out the numbers from mCalibur that Threet doesn't match up in, but leave out TD rate and INT rate, where he was above average.
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As you say, the amount of
As you say, the amount of screen passes probably hurt his yards per attempt, but shouldn't that boost his completion percentage, since he's throwing... 1 yard down field? Also with screens, I would hope that you don't have many picks since you are throwing.... 1 yard down field.
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No Threet was pretty bad. He
No Threet was pretty bad. He couldn't even make basic throws much of the time to wide open guys. 51% completion and 5.5 yards per attempt is really bad. It's bad even for a freshman.
heh
Marve: 116/213 (54.5%), 6.1 yd/att, 9 td, 13 int
Threet: 102/200 (51.0%), 5.5 yd/att, 9 td, 7 int
Marve was actually worse. With better people around him he had slightly better completion percentage and yards per attempt, but nearly twice as many picks in about the same number of attempts.
Marve could have a big year and I wouldn't knock Purdue fans for being excited about him after spring practice any more than I would knock UM fans for being excited about D Robinson. But I think it's a mistake to assume that an unproven player is going to be good just because he looked good in practice.
Stats
| Stats Overview | Passing | |||||||||
| YEAR | CMP | ATT | YDS | CMP% | YPA | LNG | TD | INT | SACK | RAT |
| 2008 | 102 | 200 | 1105 | 51.0 | 5.53 | 51 | 9 | 7 | 15 | 105.26 |
| Stats Overview | Passing | |||||||||
| YEAR | CMP | ATT | YDS | CMP% | YPA | LNG | TD | INT | SACK | RAT |
| 2008 | 116 | 213 | 1293 | 54.5 | 6.07 | 69 | 9 | 13 | 18 | 107.19 |
Wow. I didn't think they'd be that close.
I love a hoppy ending!
I'd rather have us
I'd rather have us under-hyped by the MSM than overrated. We have no where to go but up, and I have a distinct feeling that'll we'll be able to show great improvement this year. I'm not sure what our record will be at the end of the season (I'd like to think 8-9 wins), but either way, I think momentum will be on our side for 2011.
Bleacher Report has us at 6,
Bleacher Report has us at 6, and it's written by a WVU guy (apparently).
Of course, this guy also has MSU ahead of PSU, and Illinois ahead of Purdue and NU.
Kung Fu Panda
Was cool. If he was in the Top 3, I'd believe it.
Bleacher Report should be
Bleacher Report should be renamed Blech Report
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No
It should be renamed "404 Error: File not found"
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Putting MSU ahead of PSU
Putting MSU ahead of PSU isn't ridiculous if you think PSU's QB situation is going to really hurt them and believe that MSU's defense can take a step forward (I still think a decent passing attack should shred MSU this year, but reasonable minds can differ). Cousins was pretty damn good last year, and while his Blair White safety blanket is gone it isn't like they've got a bunch of chumps to throw to either.
Fo sho. As much as we joke
Fo sho. As much as we joke about Sparty's inferiority complex, our superiority complex may be worse. They are returning a lot of quality players, and had very solid play out of Cousins last year. If their new offensive line meshes, MSU may be a pretty good team.
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Do you know how much preseason rankings mean?
They mean as much as my perfect marks in the only class I took at Washtenaw Community College: neither is worth a mention.
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Purdue never has a player
Purdue never has a player with the kind of natural ability Marve has, which should help them. Still, they lost three wide receivers, their entire secondary, three linemen who will be replaced by underclassmen, and starting runningback (injury), on a team that had the worst rush defense in the Big 10 last year.
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team that had the worst rush defense in the Big 10 last year
Unfortunately, UM was tied for last in the conference with Purdue in yds/carry allowed.
Oh believe me, I make no
Oh believe me, I make no claims that our defense was better last year. I was just trying to show the compounding issues Purdue has considering their preseason expectations.
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I like it
A Michigan football team being pegged as an underdog and playing with a chip on their shoulder is a dangerous combination.
Keep believing
The last thing we need is the media blowing smoke up our butts
about how good we are, when we haven't proven a damn thing yet. Dealing with lofty expectations is hard enough for seasoned seniors, and it's that much harder for freshmen and sophs to keep their heads on straight. Let's earn it.
We need to earn respect. If I weren't a Michigan fan, I'd be ranking us similarly.
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