“On the offense last year, they had great spacing. That’s what I remember. Great spacing, great shooters, like Nik Stauskas, who’s not there right now. But they always have someone to fill the roles. They have a cutting offense, kind of hard to guard.”
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|4 days 10 hours ago||It could also be that our||
It could also be that our defense has only forced a pathetic 3 turnovers in 7 games. If FEI takes turnovers into account then it's no surprise that our defense comes out mediocre, since they have simply put up decent numbers against bad competition without ever setting up the offense in good field position.
|4 days 10 hours ago||Yes.||
I believe so. That is probably why our 2010 defense was (IIRC) #2 in FEI, despite their relatively low scores in some games. I don't know how it treats turnovers.
|4 days 11 hours ago||I wonder if there's any way||
I wonder if there's any way that the Uniersity could weasel a "for cause" out of this and force him to go to court to get his buyout.
|5 days 16 hours ago||Just keep the tourney streak||
Just keep the tourney streak alive this year. It's a rebuilding year. I know that we exceeded expectations by a mile last year but I just don't see that kind of wonderful surprise happening again. Since we aren't Duke or Kentucky, I'm perfectly fine with "rebuilding" being defined as a 10-8 conference record with a #9 seed in the NCAA. Next year we'll have everyone back but maybe Levert.
|5 days 17 hours ago||I'll take Jeff Long in a||
I'll take Jeff Long in a heartbeat. The Bielema hire was a huge coup. He plucked Bielema out of the Midwest, where he had been his whole life, from a strong program where he was a hero to an Arkansas program in shambles. That is the type of hire we are going to need next. We are going to have to pluck a proven winner away from a place where he is comfortable by breaking out the checkbook and also aggressively selling the benefits of the job. Long has proven that he can do this. He needs to do it for us next. There isn't a single A list candidate within 500 miles of Ann Arbor right now.
|2 weeks 13 hours ago||Tough break. Now all of the||
Now all of the conference's 180-lb DBs are going to have to find someone else to arm tackle.
|2 weeks 15 hours ago||We'll need a new||
We'll need a new abbrevation: NTB ("Not that Bjork")
|2 weeks 3 days ago||By my count, 12 of the 14 B1G||
By my count, 10 of the 14 B1G teams are below the line. Even Ohio State. That's saying a lot considering that Big Ten recruiting was already garbage to begin with. Our coaches suck ass collectively at developing players as well.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||I will be absolutely shocked||
I will be absolutely shocked if we keep this within three. My final score prediction is 34-10 Rutgers, and the Bobby Williams 2002 style collapse continues.
And for the first time in my life, I don't want to be wrong in my pessimism. I want Hoke to be so embarrassed and frustrated that he quits and brings at least temporary relief to all this.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||I know that Miles has a great||
I know that Miles has a great track record now, but the guy makes me nervous. He's an absolute dunce and his in-game management is unbelievably bad. He has been insanely lucky since he has been there. Take Hoke's luck from 2011 and spread that out over 9 years and that has been the Miles tenure at LSU. He has naked pictures of God or something. I can't believe the shit calls that guy has gotten away with down there.
Maybe he is what we need. I don't know. I do know that if he comes here, he is going to blow a minimum of one game a year with attrocious clock management or some other numbskull mistake that drives us crazy. I don't know if he can still recruit without payola. His track record with assistants is spotty. Some good ones but some bad ones too. His age isn't a dealbreaker but it's not an asset either. I see him as a Plan B guy.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Well our season is pretty||
Well our season is pretty much toast, so from this point forward, find your favorite five candidates for the head coaching job and cheer for the other team each week in the hopes that it will make that guy less sexy at his current team. From this point forward, my favorite teams will be whoever plays:
1. The 49ers
2. Okie State
|2 weeks 3 days ago||I do think that people are||
I do think that people are arguing that RichRod wasn't bad here. Michigan fans are now gloating on RichRod's behalf, saying he got screwed by Brandon.
Casteel wasn't coming to Michigan in 2011. It was too late by then. RichRod wasn't getting rid of Gibson either, as evidenced by the fact that he made him his DB coach at Arizona in 2012. He used his first mulligan to fire Shafer and then he used his second mulligan to fire Hopson. Michigan wasn't getting any better in 2011 with RichRod.
Failing to bring Casteel was a huge blunder in hindsight, but we don't know who is fully responsible for that without knowing how hard RichRod went to bat for him. We have six years of hindsight to see how good Casteel was but we didn't know it at the time. From the outside, it looks to me like RichRod thought that he could waltz into Ann Arbor and install the 3-3-5 with whomever he wanted. He was wrong. He had a second chance to go after Casteel, but he got the Stuffed Beaver instead. Bill Martin clearly fucked up, but RIchRod may have fucked up there too. He should have known that he didn't know jack shit about defense. He should have either negotiated that extra tad bit of money for Casteel or he should have let Scott Shafer pick the assistants the he wanted and run whatever defense he wanted.
I think that the past seven years have proven one big overriding lesson. You have to have a head coach and an athletic director who are very serious about winning. The head coach has to pick top notch assistants that complement his weaknesses and the athletic director has to make sure that this is going to happen when he hires him. The AD has to look for an elite head coach like his life depends on it and he has to hire the best guy for the job, with little consideration given to whether he is a "Michigan Man". He needs to get the new guy in place early so that he can shore up the first recruiting class. Both Bill Martin and Dave Brandon failed at some of these and failed badly.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||This utterly fucking moronic||
This utterly fucking moronic revisionist history bullshit about how we made a mistake firing RichRod has got to stop. It has got to stop right now. Apparently, people have really short memories.
RichRod inherited a defense that was returning most of its core from the 2007 unit. Everyone expected it to be a team strength headed into 2008. Everyone. That team "strength" got worse as the year went along. They got run off the field by a 5-7 Illinois team and then gave up 520 yards to Purdue's third string QB (who had been practicing at WR a couple of weeks earlier). There's a reason why Scott Shafer got fired. Our 2008 defense sucked ass. Remember that was also the team that couldn't catch a punt to save their lives. I have watched college football for 34 years and I have absolutely never seen a team so hopelessly inept as that one when it came to fielding punts.
He fired Scott Shafer when he should have fired Tony Gibson. Instead, he rewarded Tony Gibson by making him the special teams coach in 2010, and our special teams got worse. Tony Gibson promptly followed up his accomplishments at Michigan by bringning his services to Arizona, where RichRod's first defense was an incredible 40 yards per game worse than his worst defense at Michigan. When he finally got rid of that shmuck, the Arizona defense improved by 80 yards per game next year and that became the unit that blew out Oregon and Boston College.
Don't forget about the two year Jay Hopson disaster. RichRod's defensive assistants were God awful.
RichRod lost his last two games by a combined score of 89-21. In 2010, Penn State's walk-on QB in his first start shredded us for over 300 yards passing. Do we need to see the jpeg of J.T. Floyd getting turned around again? Do we need to go back to the quotes of the Penn State players who were laughing at how we were putting six men in the box on a goal line play? RichRod's attention to defense and special teams were appalling. His defenses were always terrible. Always
RichRod was -33 on turnovers in 28 games against the B1G, ND, and the one bowl game. His team lost an astounding 45 fumbles in three years.
His 2010 recruitng class was abysmal. Probably the worst that this program has ever had. He dished out scholarships to questionable 3* athletes like Halloween candy, and most of them didn't even stick around. He piled up 3* RB/slot receiver types like they were gold and Ann Arbor was Fort Knox. Do we need to go over that again? He was a terrible recruiter.
Here is what his 2011 recruiting class looked like the day he was fired...
Is that the recruiting class of a coach you want to keep? Remember what a terrible judge of talent RichRod was? Greg Brown and Delonte Hollowell were early offerees. Those were plan A guys. The only decent player who we probably would have added if RichRod had stayed was Chris Bryant. His O-line and D-line recruiting were terrible. Do we need to go back and revisit all of the posts from last year blaming our offensive line woes on RichRod? Some of that was valid. It doesn't excuse Hoke's piss poor player development, but the fact that we had nobody to throw out there from the 2010 or 2011 classes who was any good is RichRod's fault.
RichRod had to go. He should have been gone way before the bowl game. He was a terrible terrible coach at Michigan. I don't know why he was a terrible coach at Michigan, but he was. He was terrible in ways that overload all of the excuses that can be made for him. He is a better coach at Arizona. Minus Tony Gibson and plus Scott Shafer are probably huge factors. Maybe he was humbled a bit by his Michigan experience and he has mellowed out some. Or, maybe it's still too early to judge his accomplishments there since he started out 5-0 here in his last year. What I do know for sure is that the RichRod tenure sucked at Michigan, and it was RichRod's fault that it sucked. Stop the revisionist history and stop blaming Brandon for firing him. If anything, blame Brandon for not firing him and getting Hoke in place six weeks sooner.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||He's definitely a guy that||
He's definitely a guy that you should approach to see how serious his school is when it comes to keeping him.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Not for me. We all know that||
Not for me. We all know that nothing will come of this.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||I agree wholeheartedly.||
I agree wholeheartedly. That's one of the reasons why I have been hoping that Hoke gets fired mid season -- so that Nussmeier can get an audition and become a realistic coordinator candidate (if he suddenly makes the team look good, which is unlikely). Nussmeier could have easily been the coach a a mid tier program the caliber of Boston College or Central Florida by now.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||I'm on board the Gundy train,||
I'm on board the Gundy train. He's my #2 now. Long term sustained winning, with a very high demonstrated upside (winning a BCS bowl).
Go to him and aggressively sell the program. Give him a big fat offer and see if T. Boone matches it.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||He finally got rid of Tony||
He finally got rid of Tony Gibson. It has made a difference there. Arizona's first defense under RichRod was worse than his 2010 Michigan defense by 40 yards per game, which boggles the mind. It's tragic that RichRod had to throw away an opportunity of a lifetime in order to come to grips with the fact that his drinking buddy was sinking his career.
So much pain. So many harsh lessons learned.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||His continued absence either||
His continued absence either indicates that, or that he is going into hiding with the desperate hope that this is going to blow over. The dude can't make a public appearance and he can't even make a press release during daylight hours right now. Unless something changes he won't be able to show up at a game or give a public speech without getting heckled and booed loudly.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||An OSU acquaintance who has||
An OSU acquaintance who has watched football religiously for about 30+ years, with a very keen eye for detail and an excellent knowledge of the sport's history. He's a guy who strongly dislikes Michigan but is able to rationally analyze the program from the outside based on what he sees.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Keeping Hoke through the||
Keeping Hoke through the season is insane. He should have been fired after the Utah game. Other than his buyout, there is absolutely no downside to firing him.
An OSU acquaintance recently compared Michigan keeping Hoke around to a heroin addict in denial. Eventually you hit an undeniable bottom. He predicts that the MSU game for us will be like the 1985 Miami game was for Notre Dame and Gerry Faust (ND lost 58-7). I concur.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Because at our historical||
Because at our historical highs we have actually won a national championship. In addition, we have had "average" seasons where we have won 10 games and beaten the SEC on New Year's Day. We have had countless other one or two loss seasons over a 35 year period. Four different coaches at Michigan in that time frame have won either the Rose Bowl or a BCS bowl. That includes even Brady Hoke. Oklahoma State is at a historical high and they haven't had an unfefeated season in my lifetime. By my count, they have been to one BCS bowl since the beginning of the BCS era, and they never went to the FIesta Bowl during the old Big 8 days. Our recruiting class on rivals is currently ranked higher than theirs, despite the fact that our team has been shit. Our 2014, 2013, and 2012 classes were also ranked way above theirs despite their recent historical success.
There's more to the quality of a program than what has happened to it in the past five years. In the mid to late 90s, Colorado was a much better program than Oklahoma and North Carolina was way better than Texas until Mack Brown went there. In the late '90s, Purdue was a better program than USC and LSU. Cincinnati was better than Notre Dame until Notre Dame got Cincinnati's coach. John Cooper's Arizona State was trending up when Earl Bruce's Ohio State was trending down. Things will revert back to their historical mean. That is, unless, we resign ourselves to being a mediocre program and we make another shitty hire because of it.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||NDSU's victories include wins||
NDSU's victories include wins over 2010 Kansas, 2011 Minnesota, and 2012 Colorado State. Those teams were fucking awful.
Kansas State was a middling team in their conference and North Dakota State got them very early on in a big rebuilding year. And unlike Appy State in 2007, NDSU went undefeated in 2013, with all four of their post season games decided by 28+ points. They are the one I-AA team that I might make an exception for my rule that losing to a I-AA team at a top notch program should be a fireable offense.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Chances are, the guys that||
Chances are, the guys that are going to be coming back to get their degrees are guys like Manny Harris, Donovan Warren, and Shantee Orr. And they would be getting a free ride without offering anything whatsoever in return for that final year.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||The wins by I-AA teams have||
The wins by I-AA teams have rarely come against anyone but the lowest dregs of I-A. They are huge outliers compared to the regular 56-7 type drubbings that even most bad teams are able to deliver.
I'll say it again -- a I-AA team is Akron on severe probation, and that might be generous. And App State didn't dominate I-AA. I might be willing to entertain the notion that the loss wasn't a disgrace if they dominated every game that they were in. They didn't. They lost two games, and they won a few more very unimpressively. In the end, they won the "Akron on probation" championship tournament. That's not saying much though. Michigan with Chad Henne, Jake Long, Mario Manningham, Mike Hart, Adrian Arrington, and a bevy of 4* should have blown them out easily. They would have if their heads had been in the game and if their coaches had properly prepared them.
No team has gotten more ridicule for a loss than Michigan for that one, and we deserved it.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||It gets blown up as the worst||
It gets blown up as the worst thing because it was. It was a catastrophic, disgraceful loss that brought an immense amount of nationwide shame on the football program. The coaching staff clearly didn't do jack shit to prepare the team and everyone besides Mike Hart thought that they could win just by throwing their jock strap onto the field. Over the years, Carr apologists have tried to whitewash that loss by hilariously claiming that App State probably would have been ranked in I-A. App State lost 2 games in I-AA that year and their defense was garbage. They were a team with 65 scholarship athletes. A I-AA team is what Akron would be on severe probation. They would have gotten run off the field by a ranked team that didn't half-assedly prepare. For that matter, we would have run them off the field in a rematch.
Any goodwill that Carr gets goes out the door with Appalachian State. It was an anti-national championship.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||This thread would probably be||
This thread would probably be more accurately titled "8-4 beating MSU but losing to OSU appreciation thread". Because that's essentially what it is. If you feel like we should have enjoyed 8-4 because it is better than this year's team then have at it.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||At this point Hoke looks so||
At this point Hoke looks so inept and stupid to me that I am willing to give just about anyone who has coached under him a Mulligan. Maybe even Funk. And definitely Nussmeier, since his first five games at Michigan are such a massive outlier compared to the rest of his career.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||There isn't zero reason. He||
There isn't zero reason. He is still much more likely to go to the college football playoff at Michigan than he is at Oklahoma State. Recruiting to Michigan is much easier, as demonstrated repeatedly by the otherwise inept Brady Hoke. The program is still much more prestigious and has a much larger following. Those are some very strong reasons for a guy to leave Oklahoma State for Michigan. Money resources are probably comparable, thanks to T Boone, but they still don't have a leg up on us. Even with T Boone, we might be better off. We've got our own T Boone, plus a few hundred thousand living alumni and a stadium that seats 110,000. There are also some very strong reasons to stay, like the fact that their 2014 team is better than our 2014 team and their fan base has lower standards. That and he is an Okie State alum. We don't know how significant each factor is though. Like just about every other candidate, we know next to nothing about them personally, nor do we know their ego levels and their personal preferences.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||I appreciate the 1997-2003||
I appreciate the 1997-2003 Lloyd Carr, but not the one after that.
I refuse to lower my standards because RichRod and Hoke have both manged to one-up Carr when it comes to shitty assistant hires. But there is still no bigger embarrassment than losing to Appalachian State.