OT: Connor McDavid season, 1 more game

Submitted by Champeen on April 12th, 2023 at 2:29 PM

Connor McDavid currently has 1 more game to play.  If he scores 3 points, then there will be only 2 hockey players in the history of the NHL who scored more points than him - Wayne and Mario.

Phenom.  Wasn't Lindros supposed to be the next Wayne?  Wasn't Crosby supposed to be the next Wayne?  I don't know if i just was not paying attention or he was not quite the prospect early on that Lindros or Crosby were, but i do not recall him getting labeled 'the next Great one' almost a decade ago when he was coming up.  

91wolverine

April 12th, 2023 at 2:43 PM ^

McDavid was absolutely labeled the “next phenom”. Since he’s been in the league he’s been top 3-5 every year. He’s grown his game a lot since then as well. He’s a beast and it’s a shame he plays for Edmonton as he doesn’t get enough attention here in the states. He doesn’t have a Stanley cup yet but when he does, you’ll see him talked about much more.

otoh, if only the wings had a superstar they’d be so fun to watch. Idk what the yzerplan is but it doesn’t look too promising.. 

goblue76

April 12th, 2023 at 2:59 PM ^

This is true but I would also say the Wings drafting from 2015 to 2018 was pretty dismal.  The top 3 players from those drafts were Hronek, Rasmussen, and Berggren.  None of which are really first line players.

One of the bigger mistakes was taking Gustav Lindstrom one spot ahead of Northville's Jason Robertson.

m9tt

April 12th, 2023 at 3:07 PM ^

One of the bigger mistakes was taking Gustav Lindstrom one spot ahead of Northville's Jason Robertson.

Another late-stage Ken Holland/Tyler Wright special right there.

In 2017, these were the individuals responsible for running the four Detroit teams:

  • Red Wings / Ken Holland
  • Lions / Bob Quinn
  • Pistons / Stan Van Gundy
  • Tigers / Al Avila

That might be the worst front-office lineup across one city's major sports teams in a considerable amount of time.

I Bleed Maize N Blue

April 12th, 2023 at 11:05 PM ^

IMO Holland's SOP was we'll pay you a little less now, so we can bring in player X, and we'll pay you later. Good relations when there's no salary cap, and Mike Illitch was willing to open the checkbook for veteran talent, but terrible business with a salary cap. So the Wings end up with overpaid players/underperforming contracts and is hampered in cap space.

lunchboxthegoat

April 13th, 2023 at 7:02 AM ^

Ken Holland's name is on multiple cups because he shared a GM room with some incredibly talented people and some good luck. 

Jim Devellano, Jim Nill, Stever Yzerman and being 'first to market' on European scouting is what got Ken Holland his rings. He has virtually no success after those three moved on and the rest of the league started scouting Europe. 

s1105615

April 12th, 2023 at 4:05 PM ^

I thought Hronek was a top pair defenseman.  I, for one, was shocked when he got dealt this year and assumed it was because he had probably told the team he had no intention of sticking around when his contract expired (I have no idea how much time he had left on the contract, but if he was unhappy what else can the front office do?).

After seeing the team Steve put together in Tampa, I’m willing to give his plan time.  He does need to find a way to trade up to a top 2 spot within the next year or two and land a home run there or the plan will fail just from lack of available talent.

MGoBluegrass

April 12th, 2023 at 6:30 PM ^

The market will view Hronek as a top pair dman and he'll get paid like it. Yzerman just didn't want to commit to the term and money with talented prospects on the way. Getting another 1st rd pick was a good deal. 

Agree they need an elite talent, but trading into the top 2 seems impossible. This is going to take a while and they need to get lucky at some point to turn the corner 

alum96

April 12th, 2023 at 3:07 PM ^

Yes its a shame he plays in a country that worships hockey and half the populace if not more knows what he looks like, unlike you know half the cities in the US these franchises are in (ex original 6 types) where 2% of the populace could name 3 hockey players on their team.

I'd say it's a shame its not Toronto or Montreal (heck Vancouver) vs Edmonton but he is in the right country just wrong province.

Perkis-Size Me

April 12th, 2023 at 3:44 PM ^

They are close to winning a Cup and it could certainly happen this year. Shoot, if they didn't run into the absolute buzzsaw that was the 2022 Colorado Avalanche they could've won it last year too. 

The minute he hoists that trophy, Connor McDavis will become much more of a household name here in the states, because he won't just be a Stanley Cup champion. He'll be the guy that brought Canada its first Stanley Cup in 30 years. 

People will know his name in the states. He will be a legend in Canada, and in Edmonton...well....he might as well be God himself. 

HHW

April 12th, 2023 at 4:19 PM ^

This is correct. I hadn’t watched too much of McDavid until last year’s playoffs. I was amazed at how dominant he is when he’s on the ice. So creative and a physical player.  I think his personality combined with his location hurts his popularity. Best player in the world in my opinion.

teldar

April 12th, 2023 at 7:04 PM ^

I would disagree the yzerplan doesn't look promising. He was left with a smoking crater and I think has done a great job. The team is still really thin because Tyler wright was terrible and Kenny kept the streak alive far past time, but Stevie seems to be hitting on his drafting and flips assets for picks.

lunchboxthegoat

April 13th, 2023 at 6:55 AM ^

"if only the wings had a superstar they'd be so fun to watch" 

players like McDavid come around only once a generation. 

 

I'd argue that Seider is a superstar (just not at a glamour position) and Raymond certainly is on that path. He's just now starting his prime and he only has 2 full seasons under his belt. 

Bluesince89

April 13th, 2023 at 9:04 AM ^

Ehh, I disagree on both points. Defensemen can be superstars - I don't think I need to go down the long, long, long list of current and former defensemen who are superstars. I think Seider is a very good defensemen and will grow into an even better one, but he has a ways to go before he's in the same conversation of guys like Karlsson, Hughes, Makar, etc. 

Raymond, I'm very hopeful for, but I think he needs to get stronger as well. A little bit of a sophomore slump, but I think there were a lot of moving pieces around the team this year. 

KO Stradivarius

April 12th, 2023 at 2:44 PM ^

Easier to score goals nowadays with no prohibition of 2-line passes, less tolerated interference, etc.  So it's hard to compare eras, just like most sports. 

I was aware of him as of 5-6 yrs ago, he was drafted first overall, won MVP in 2016/7.  Pretty heralded if you ask me.  

smotheringD

April 12th, 2023 at 3:09 PM ^

Goalies are a lot better too though.  They started restricting the size of the equipment so now they just use bigger goalies.  A lot of times there isn't much to shoot at but goal-scorers still find a way.

I was watching some highlights a month ago and there was a great camera angle behind the shooter.  He was off to the right side of the net, outside the dot, about a 30 degree angle with the goal line.  The goalie had good position, nothing really to shoot at but maybe a 3" hole over the goalie's left shoulder.  The shooter sniped it right in that little hole.

Yes, he's a pro making millions of dollars but from the perspective of an old guy playing pickup twice a week, it was amazing.  I've seen a few goals recently shot from the side, along the goal line, off the goalie's neck or the side of his helmet.

Like all sports, the skill keeps evolving and players keep getting better.

Lou MacAdoo

April 12th, 2023 at 2:44 PM ^

He's on his way to being the GOAT. What an unreal talent. The speed at which he does everything is just mind blowing. NHL.com had a pretty cool video of all 60 goals when he hit that milestone a few weeks ago and it was highly entertaining. My favorite one being in OT when he burned the goalie but hit the post on a breakaway, got the puck back ten seconds later and toasted the goalie with the same exact move and buried it top shelf. He makes the other greatest players in the world look like beer leaguers at times.

As a Wings fan I've had very little high end talent to watch ever since Datsyuk was traded to the Yotes, so I find myself watching every Oilers game I can. He just makes me happy and fills the void that the Wings just can't fill. 

kdhoffma

April 13th, 2023 at 12:31 PM ^

There's a triumvirate when it comes to hockey GOAT: Gretzky, Howe and Orr.  Super Mario is in a very small group just behind... McDavid could absolutely join that tier one day.  However, all the stats won't matter if McDavid doesn't win a few cups and Conn Smythes.

If you look at the last player (Lemieux) to have a statistical season like McDavid, the seasons themselves are eerily similar.

  • Lemieux 162 pts (in 11 less games), McDavid 152 pts
  • 2nd place: Linemate Jagr 12 pts back, Teammate Draisaitl 27 pts back
  • '95/96 - 12 players with 100+ pts, '22/23 - currently 11 players with 100+ pts

'95/96 was the last (or 2nd to last) year before the dead puck era was in full effect with most teams soon utilizing some form of the NJ neutral zone trap or a leftwing lock system. The game has so many more skilled and faster players than back then.  Yes, they could get away with more clutching and holding, but today those big defensemen and wingers with cinderblock feet who were mere pylons for Lemieux no longer can make the NHL. 

Clearly McDavid's production this season puts him rarefied air... especially when considering the differences in eras.  One other point... Lemieux's linemmates during that '95/96 season: Jagr and Ron Francis... McDavid gets some icetime with Draisaitl, but for most of the season his 5v5 playing time has been with some combo of Nugent-Hopkins/Kane/Hyman... i.e. not exactly Francis and Jagr.

Perkis-Size Me

April 12th, 2023 at 3:52 PM ^

Imagine cheering for a team that has not just one, but two generational talents at the same time and you have absolutely nothing to show for it. 

I'm sure Trout has some kind of emotional connection to the area at this point, not sure why else he would've stuck around for such an underperforming team, but he's probably only got a few years left where he's in his prime. By the time he's a free agent, he'll be pushing 38 and almost certainly be a guy who can't contribute anywhere close to what he can do now. 

At what point does he sit there and say "I've accomplished everything except getting a ring, and if I really want to get one, its probably not going to happen here"? 

I'm sure the Angels would only take a king's ransom for him if the subject of a trade ever came up, but if he really wants a championship before he hangs it all up, that may end up being what he has to do. Otherwise, his only other option would be to wait out the next eight seasons and sign with a contender as a guy who, like Peyton in his final season in Denver, was just along for the ride.