Ryan Day Open to moving The Game
With divisions going away next year once USC and UCLA join the B1G, Eddie Munster mentioned he would be open to moving The Game. In my opinion this game should never be moved. I am curious as to what everyone elee thinks given the ever-changing landscape of college football.
I think moving The Game is probably going to happen. If not, it could lead to UM/OSU playing 2 or 3 times in a row (The Game, B1G Championship, Playoffs). Also, if both teams have locked up a bid for the B1G Championship game prior to The Game, it wouldn't really mean anything since they'd be playing each other a few weeks later for the B1G title.
We said that when we went to divisions and its never played out that way. I dont think it has to be the last game of the season but prior to November would suck.
But with both teams in the same division, they would never have played 2 weeks in a row...
we were in opp divisions for a brief time. and i dont think if its 2x, once int he playoffs, that it diminishes anything.
i assume anything ryan day wants is to benefit him and his stupid school and team.. hence. i choose the opposite.
Back in the short-lived Leaders and Legends days (2011 to 2013), it could have happened but didn't come to pass. OSU had a down year in 2011, they were ineligible for postseason play in 2012, and we had a down year in 2013.
Leaders and Legends divisions (when M and OSU were in different divisions), only lasted 2-3 seasons though.
In the decade of East-West divisions, Indiana and Purdue have played the last week and could rematch but that has also never happened
The Old Oaken Bucket Game and The Game are not the same.
Yes, it's theoretically possible IU/PU could rematch in the B1G Championship. But does anyone, including the people from IU and PU, believe that it actually could? I highly doubt that.
It seems that you have never been to Multiverse #369420.
Is that the universe where both are actually good at football, or the oddball universe where the last place teams are forced to play an extra game for viewing-masochism reasons?
Yes.
Sorry, I forgot to use my "this is a joke" font.
I wouldn't worry about The Game losing any influence. Getting into the CFP will be hard if you lose the last two games of your season. There would be a lot of emphasis by both teams to win that game to clinch a CFP spot. The B1G Championship would have less significance for the winner of The Game, but there would still be an autobid and avoiding a potential road CFP game on the line.
This is all for nothing, Once Oregon and whoever else joins in the next few months to go to 20 teams for 2024, they will have divisions again, and it wont matter. It will be last game of season
This. There's no point in planning for any permanence or asking questions as if they have century's long consequences. In 20 years, even those growing up with today's B1G won't recognize it. NW will be in the MAC. Wisconsin/MN will be playing in the new Canadian College Football.
That’s why the real solution is to get rid of conference title games. What’s the point in a division-less B1G and 12 team CFP? The B1G existed for most of its history with the possibility of multiple shared B1G champs so that’s not an issue (and it can still can happen for most other sports’ regular season B1G champs). But it’ll be a long shot to get networks to give up an extra game and the money that comes with it.
But it’ll be a long shot to get networks to give up an extra game and the money that comes with it.
Unless you replace it with a showcase weekend with more games over a couple of days
when you have 16 teams, it seems fair to give the top, say 4, a 13th game against the best team they haven't played. It's almost like a bowl game. In a neutral site - Indianapolis!
I would be all for moving The Game a week later that way so many of the college students arent on Thanksgiving break.
We all know theyll never turn down the chance at another week of football so why dont they make 10 conference and 3 non conference standard and get rid of the championship games?
The big question to me is, how can you ask college football players to basically play an NFL schedule? To win the national title with a 12-team playoff, you’ll have to play 16 or 17 games. That’s too much. The conference title games are an easy place to trim the fat.
Why are 16 or 17 games too much?
Because they’re not getting paid at an NFL level?
I have no problem playing 2 or 3 times in a row.
Every one of those games will mean everything.
I don't think we will ever get "too much" of The Game.
I think once a year is enough. That's the beauty of that game. So much emotion and year-long preparation go into one game. When you lay it all on the line for those four quarters, it will get diluted if we play again shortly thereafter. My .02.
I think fans overestimate the likelihood of rematches with OSU in the BTCG. With 16 teams playing nine conference games, the schedules are going to be very imbalanced and there will probably often be teams going 9-0 or 8-1 without playing either Michigan or OSU. Those are the teams the winner of the Game will face.
Was curious how likely it was for a team to avoid playing both Michigan and Ohio State. This doesn't take protected rivalries into account, so not 100% accurate. It's been 25 years since I took finite, so I couldn't quite math it. ChatGPT to the rescue.
An average season will have 4 teams avoid playing either Michigan / Ohio State, which was more than I expected. Each of those will likely end up playing USC, Penn State or both. I guess you're probably right - given that info, it feels someone will MSU or Iowa there way to an 8-1 schedule playing no one at least once every 2-3 years.
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Probability of avoiding Team A or Team B in all 9 games = (6 / 7)^9 ≈ 0.2989
Now, the average number of teams that will avoid playing either Team A or Team B can be calculated as follows:
Average number of teams = Total number of remaining teams * Probability of avoiding Team A or Team B in all 9 games
Average number of teams = 14 * 0.2989 ≈ 4.183
Therefore, on average, approximately 4.183 teams (excluding Team A or Team B) will avoid playing either Team A or Team B in a random schedule of 9 games. Since we cannot have a fraction of a team, the actual number of teams that will avoid playing either Team A or Team B will be 4 or 5, depending on the randomness of the schedule.
Full transcript from ChatGPT:
Question: Let there be a set of 16 distinct opponents. Included in the group of 16 teams are two special opopnents, Team A and Team B. Given a random schedule of 9 games, where no team can play each other twice, on average, how many of teams of the teams, excluding Team A or B, will avoid playing either team A or Team B?
Answer:
To calculate the average number of teams, excluding Team A or Team B, that will avoid playing either Team A or Team B in a random schedule of 9 games, we'll consider the probabilities of different scenarios.
Let's assume that the schedule is generated randomly, and each of the 16 teams (including Team A and Team B) has an equal chance of being selected for each game.
There are a total of 16 teams, and we have already accounted for 2 teams (Team A and Team B). So, the number of remaining teams is 16 - 2 = 14.
Now, we need to calculate the probability that a randomly chosen team from the remaining 14 teams avoids playing either Team A or Team B in a single game.
The probability that a randomly chosen team avoids playing Team A or Team B in one game is the number of ways it can be scheduled to play against the remaining 14 - 2 = 12 teams (excluding Team A and Team B) divided by the total number of remaining opponents.
Probability of avoiding Team A or Team B in one game = Number of ways to schedule against the remaining 12 teams / Total number of remaining opponents
The number of ways to schedule against the remaining 12 teams is simply 12 because each team can only play one game against the chosen opponent.
So, the probability of avoiding Team A or Team B in one game is:
Probability of avoiding Team A or Team B in one game = 12 / 14 = 6 / 7 ≈ 0.8571
Now, since each game is independently scheduled, the probability of avoiding Team A or Team B in all 9 games is the product of the individual probabilities for each game:
Probability of avoiding Team A or Team B in all 9 games = (6 / 7)^9 ≈ 0.2989
Now, the average number of teams that will avoid playing either Team A or Team B can be calculated as follows:
Average number of teams = Total number of remaining teams * Probability of avoiding Team A or Team B in all 9 games
Average number of teams = 14 * 0.2989 ≈ 4.183
Therefore, on average, approximately 4.183 teams (excluding Team A or Team B) will avoid playing either Team A or Team B in a random schedule of 9 games. Since we cannot have a fraction of a team, the actual number of teams that will avoid playing either Team A or Team B will be 4 or 5, depending on the randomness of the schedule.
^Ignore me - just proof read and ChatGPT is spouting nonsense.
2nd attempt generated a negative number -
Number of teams that avoid playing either Team A or Team B = Total number of teams - Number of teams playing either Team A or Team B Number of teams that avoid playing either Team A or Team B = 14 - (5005 + 2002) = 14 - 7007 = -6993
It seems there's an issue in the calculation, as the result is a negative value. This suggests that it's not possible for all the remaining 14 teams to avoid playing either Team A or Team B while still maintaining the constraint of 9 games for each team and no team playing each other twice.
3rd attempt generated 2809.
Average number of teams avoiding Team A or Team B = 0.001121 * (5005 * 5005) ≈ 2809.93
ChatGPT is drunk.
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From what I can gather, at a simple level, the average team has C(15,9), or 5005, distinct schedules available. There are C(13,9), or 705, schedules available where they avoid both Michigan and OSU. That leaves a ~14.2% chance of avoiding both. There are 14 teams besides Michigan and OSU, each with a 14.2% chance of avoiding both. That averages out to 1.96 teams. So, 2 teams, on average, each year will avoid both. That seems more reasonable. Much less likely they will end up going 8-1/9-0. Sorry for the long chain of nonsense posts from ChatGPT.
Good try. But aren't the schedules "human generated", thus not exactly random?
No. You absolutely cannot trust chatgpt to do the math for you, nor to even give you factual information. It's a language model that's essentially trained to make people think it knows what it's talking about. It's not a calculator. It's "What sounds like the best word to put next given the prompt?" That MIGHT get you the right answer but might not. People citing chatgpt has already been a big problem.
Yeah, I kind of see The Game moving also. Just a matter of time and there's no way the rest of the conference wants to see UM-OSU play 2 or 3 weeks in a row. There's enough jealousy throughout the conference now over the UM-OSU rivalry. Think I'm kidding - go visit the PSU and MSU boards
Day realized he got lucky in 2022 and needs more time for OSU to move up in the polls after losing to us every year.
It should never move. In my opinion, there are three games that cannot move. The Game, The Iron Bowl and OU/Texas. Everything else has been sacrificed for the almighty dollar. I would like to see FSU-Miami move back to November, but there's no way FSU wants to play Miami and Florida back-to-back anymore.
I couldn't have said it any better
I’d add Army/Navy to that list.
See I think OU and Texas while a great and historical game loses some of its luster because it's in the middle of the season. Remember in 2009 when Texas beat OU but lost to Texas Tech later in the season and OU got the spot in the national title game?
With an 8 team playoff coming and with what happened last year with us getting in, do you really think that’s the reason? If anything, I’d say scrap the CCG and crown the winner of the regular season. There’s no reason to have a scenario where we play three times in a row.
Its clear that nothing is off limits. I guess I am fine with that mostly because I am powerless to stop it. Shit sucks. In general.
No. Not okay with this at all. I sincerely hope the Big Ten scraps their title idea and looks to go either back to division or the showcase thing or honestly even just has an extra game to the conference schedule because I hate the idea that this rivalry could be played twice
This. The B1G title game was always a money grab, and with an expanded playoff will be even more irrelevant.
Ancillary. I bet a lot of Ohio people don't like this either. If Day's seat is hot, it just got hotter.
The B1G title game was always a money grab
...as were/are all conference title games - a money grab and way to manipulate the rankings to that conference's advantage. Never liked them
I don't care, but if we have to play Ohio twice in one year, it makes more sense to have a split to see which team developed better over the season .
Have you considered Just For Men on that facial hair? A certain Big Ten coach swears by it.
I already use it, just not on my head.
It would be a travesty of sorts. But as someone else said, nothing is off limits. The best we can hope for is another leaders and legends failure realignment and even that is a “wish in one hand” situation
... off his schedule.
Day can move on to coach EKU or ECU or NDSU.
In my opinion, this game should never be moved. I get that the sport is changing, but a lot of what's changing is just bath water. The Game is the baby.
He wants to move it earlier in the season so weather has less of an outcome on the game, not a surprise... Moving the game does take away any added weather advantage Michigan gets having it later. Just the same reason Michigan would never want it moved.
I think we have to move the game off of Thanksgiving weekend. It can be the last game played. But student attendance has always been lackluster that game because so many out of staters go home for the weekend. Since they implemented extra hoops to jump through for selling tickets to non students, it makes sense to move it. All I care about is having the best home game atmosphere, so if that means moving it, then go ahead.