Remaining games for Little Brother: Illinois, NW, Iowa, Minnesota, Purdue, Penn State.
They do not play osu.
Will they blow it?? (Sparty Noooooooo)
The X factor here is that playing in the Big Ten forces you to be on your A (maybe B+) game each week. As much confidence as a team has, it's easy to trip up against an Illinois or Purdue because they find ways to exploit your mistakes on bad days. MSU will have one of those games this yr. This is my main beef w/ Boise State and other non Big-6 conferences. They can play their off game against the lower tier of their conference and still easily win week-to-week.
I could definitely see NW catching them looking ahead to Iowa and pulling an upset.
I think they'll lose 2 games still in Big Ten play. If not, I'll be really surprised.
I will never understand this attitude. I hope Sparty losses every game they play and I feel the same about OSU. Who gives a crap if our loss "looks better"? We aren't playing for an NC. For better or worse, our record will speak for itself
I wouldn't say I want them to lose every game. I fully support their continued mediocrity.
I think you may have dropped this: /s
Hope you're not right.
just curious, which 5 teams are we going to lose to?
The idea is that if you have to lose (or already lost), you'd want to lose to a "good" team as opposed to a team that sucks... I think it's a mentality leftover from the pre-BCS college football era where who you lost to mattered almost as much as who you beat. Personally, if I have to lose a game, I'd rather lose to a team that goes undefeated than lose to a team that goes 1-11, but that's just me.
As much as I hate losing to State, losing to an undefeated team is nothing to feel too bad about. I do, however, think that there's a good chance they will lose to Iowa.
On a different note, is PSU really that bad, or is Illinois going to have a decent season?
Please tell me you were kidding. I hope they go 6-6.
What is there to kid about? We lost to MSU; it's old news by now. Yes, it sucks and we all have bitter feelings, but it's over. So would you rather lose to a 7-5 State of a 11-1 State?
Because it might at least mean we have a better record than them. So they couldn't talk to much. Losing and have them be great? Insufferable.
Is this the last year the land grant trophy will be played for as the final game?
odd that it may be the only year it actually means anything
I think they actually get through with 1 loss. Unfortunately for them, 1 loss might be good enough for 3rd in the b10 depending on the Iowa/OSU game. Trap game this wekeend for them too. Illinois is a scary team.
Obviously, it looks better than any other Big Ten team at this moment (that's undefeated).
Which I believe is only OSU.
Illinois looks anything but a gimme now, Northwestern's offense will give them fits, Iowa is Iowa, they will probably beat Minny and Purdue. Penn State is dangerous because even though they look bad now they have the rest of the season to improve and play State at the end. State's offense isn't as good as it's being advertised as.
Illinois has MSU meltdown written all over it.
At Iowa certainly is going to be tough.
This is a sad day where we are now talking about if sparty is going to lose a game in a year.
looks like a decent team. They hung in there with OSU and thumped Penn State. Scheelhaase and Leshoure have the run game looking good.
I could not disagree more. We are not at a point to be thinking about rankings. What good does it do us if we are ranked 20 instead of 25? All that matters is the W/L column. It's not as if we are trying to earn a BCS at-large bid or something.
And the thought of anything good happening in East Lansing makes me sick.
EDIT: poop, meant to reply that to the post above.
I'm commenting only to say that I refuse to acknowledge a universe where this could happen.
We already live in a universe where we lost three in a row to them, and our b-ball team sucks pond water.
Pray for a dimensional shift.
This season lines up very nicely for them. Next year, not so much IIRC...Anyway, I'm going to be pulling hard for Iowa in a few weeks. The way I see it, either Iowa or MSU is going to end up in the Rose Bowl b/c OSU is going to play for the National Championship. Sparty in the Rose Bowl is not something a person should have to live with.
Doesn't the Rose bowl have to take BSU or TCU? I thought the b10 wasn't assured a bid anymore. I could be wrong.
I don't want to see MSU in any BCS bowl...Though there is a certain appeal to the thought of watching them be destroyed by Alabama or Oregon.
this would be the best outcome for our season assuming we win our bowl game
For that subject line.
a very big win Saturday vs Iowa and a Spartan loss to Iowa to make me feel a bit better about what happened this past Saturday.
That would be really nice to rebuild any lost confidence the team has from the state game. If we were a dumb interception away from upsetting Iowa last year without the true dilithium, who's to say we don't bury them this week at home? Granted our defense is in shambles but I think Martin will have a career day with at least three sacks and ten tackles.
If you're going to bash, do it with correct facts
Iowa looks like the only team that could beat them.
Wish they played OSU this year.
Does anyone find it to be a coincidence that Dantonio decided to wait till this week to suspend Rucker? Let me guess...his alleged violation of unspecified team rules happened after the Michigan game.
Was thinking the same thing when I saw that.
...if only someone would start a thread on this exact topic...
there is one
I doubt Illinois can handle MSU but maybe Sparty has a letdown. But they're not going into Iowa and pulling that game out. I also think Penn State is a road game as well for them which won't be a win either.
They still beat an underachieving Wisky team and beating our secondary shouldn't be considered a huge feat. They're still beatable by anyone on the schedule with the exception of Purdue and possibly Minnesota.
... particularly against weaker opponents.
It is sort of ironic that State has never been higher in national rankings under Dantonio, but the two signature wins that moved them up in the rankings happened when he wasn't the head coach.
Hope Marky-Mark gets better soon, and returns to the sidelines. He can then resume his trademark scowl and pathetic pressers after a few horrible losses.
they will blow it. That is their MO. But that said, if they miraculously go undefeated...I hope OSU loses so Sparty wins the Big 10. That would annoy the buckeye fans, at least...
I see about 2 losses in there, personally. Iowa is an obvious tough game, and I think Iowa is probably a better team (though I've only seen a couple games from them) -- as long as their OL doesn't succumb to jetlag and hot temperatures like the travesty in Arizona.
But I look at NW, Purdue, and maybe Minn as possible upsets as well. MSU is a well-rounded, well-coached team but they aren't great. They beat a M team wrought with personnel issues, during Denard's first real test at QB... and we all know that they had been preparing just for that game since August. They're still Sparty, they'll still find ways to lose. It's in their nature.
and we all know that they had been preparing just for that game since August.
Very good point. The thing that bothers me about them is that they put all of their stregnth and focus into the Michigan game, and then leave it all on the table afterwards. Then they want to piss and moan about not getting any respect. IMO, if you want respect, put that shit together for a whole season for consecutive seasons, then maybe people outside of the state might take notice.
the hardest team on their schedule last week: Wisconsin.
Iowa will be a tough game and certainly a revenge game for what happened last year. I have no doubt that the team will come out with the same focus and intensity that they had on Saturday. The trap game that I see though is the NW game.
will choke a game at some point and be beaten by a well prepared team. A long big ten season still ahead.
Ask all of these very good/excellent teams how hard it is to go undefeated:
Alabama, Ark, Iowa, SC, Stanford, Wisc, Ariz, FSU
in parts of the Southeast and it goes something like: The sun shines on every dog's ass at one time or another. Good luck to Sparty, They have 2 Big Ten wins against two middling Big Ten teams
I've got a question that maybe someone can answer. Ira mentioned on WTKA this morning that if OSU gets selected to the NCG, then the Rose Bowl would have to select TCU or BSU and MSU would get screwed.
Here's my problem with that logic. The rule says that the first time the Rose Bowl loses a team to the NCG and a non-BCS team qualifies, they have to select them. If MSU and OSU are both undefeated at the end of the season, MSU would be selected because OSU attended the Rose Bowl more recently. At least this is how it used to be, but this may be a moot point if the selection process has changed. So, if MSU originally picked to go to the Rose Bowl and OSU gets selected for the NCG (i.e. the Rose Bowls selection isn't taken by the NCG), does the Rose Bowl still need to pick BSU/TCU over MSU or does MSU get to keep their spot in the game?
And Ira's wrong, assuming they're both undefeated. If it's a 3 way one loss tie thing, then it could be very different. But yes, in this last year of no championship game, if they both go undefeated, with no head to head (obviously), and same overall record, it would finally revert back to MSU, so they would be the selected Rose Bowl team. OSU would be at large, going to the National Title game. An interesting and disgusting scenario.
has changed in the Big Ten not sure which year. Also the Rose Bowl has the right of first refusal
the rule did change
The Big Ten and Pacific-10 champions are contractually bound to play in the Rose Bowl unless one of those teams qualifies for the national championship game.
This is what I'm talking about. MSU would be the Big Ten representative and OSU would be an at-large that gets selected to the NCG.
Starting with the 2010 season and running through the 2013 season, THE FIRST TIME the Rose Bowl loses one of its conference champions and a team from one of the non-automatic qualifying leagues earns a BCS bid, the Rose Bowl must take that team.
The way I see it is if OSU plays for the NC (not good) and sparty is next in the standings (not good) this year and only this year the rose bowl bid will go elsewhere besides the big ten (sparty gets screwed=good)
If both are undefeated, MSU is the Big10 champ. OSU gets selected to the NCG as the Big10 #2 at-large. The wording you listed above indicates that since MSU was not selected to the NCG the Rose Bowl would not need to put an at-large in their place.
If this were the case, I'm hoping for Oregon to lose a game and play MSU, which would hopefully put BSU in the NCG against OSU. Both OSU and MSU lose, BCS dies from controversy overload.
Obama then executes presidential mandate against NCAA for 8-team playoff system.
Approval ratings ZING! THIS will be the CHANGE everyone was talking about!
Eh, I don't really care how Sparty plays now that the MSU game is over. Personally I expect them to lose at least 2 games because their defense is not spectacular and teams like Illinois, NW, and Iowa are all good enough to exploit them. PSU at the end of the year is always a big game, so who knows. MSU looks like a good team and one that could pull and Iowa-type run to a BCS bowl, but at this point all I care about is UM getting 7-8 wins and bringing some stability back to the program.
Hope sparty has a letdown against Illinois. But they probably paid attention to Illinois' whopping of Penn State. Still that game could be close (unless Scheelhaase is forced into mistakes like Denard was).
Also, there is NO way they win in Kinnick. COusins will make mistakes and they will need a lot of Stanziballs to pull that off.
Even then, the thought of a 10-2 elcc makes me want to throw up
They certainly have the easiest path there of anyone in the conference. If both MSU and OSU go undefeated though, I don't think that anyone would pick MSU to go to a BCS game over OSU.
That Iowa and MSU have played some ridiculously close games the last 3 years, games that could have gone either way. It's not like Iowa has dominated them. And for a week where everyone is saying we can take Iowa, I'm not sure why the same credit isn't given to the team that just handed us our asses. Give the slight edge to Iowa at home, but after that it's a toss up. And if the Hawkeyes can't beat them, who will?
Scary times we're in indeed, my friends. Yet another reason why it was so important that we at least put a loss on them. And that game was so important.
Though, I'm not sure that MSU's schedule is actually tougher than Boise's.
This isn't that crazy of a thought, Nebraska has to play UT and OU (twice).
Oregon still has to play Arizona and Oregon State.
I hate life.
Go 'Huskers! They were at the Big 10 football season kickoff alumni barbecue. A bunch of really chill and reasonable fans. And they didn't bring a huge blowup scrotum-face and the entire inbred family like fans of a certain dump in Ohio. Pumped to have them on board next year, but scared to play them.
I know its basically fruitless to predict, but I think it'd be awesome if Nebraska and OSU play for the national championship. And I hope its close with the Suckeyes losing. How's that for Big 10 media attention?
And Michigan pulls off a Capital One bowl victory!
MSU always underachieves. The bar may be higher this year, but they will find a way to fall below it.
Michigan wins out and Sparty loses two games (Iowa and Northwestern). We finish ahead of MSU in the B10 and MSU has losses to two decent to good teams, so our loss to them looks good.
I don't think they'll beat Iowa. Their pass protection is iffy and Iowa's D-line should exploit that.
MSU might need help from us to go undefeated.
Iowa is their biggest challenge - if we knock them off, that may go a long way to making that game winnable for MSU. Same deal for Penn St, but they are terrible.
If we beat Iowa, Iowa has to beat MSU to have a shot at the Big10 championship. If we lose to Iowa, they might not take the game as seriously.
I have a hard time imagining that Iowa wouldn't take a game against a (presumed) undefeated MSU team seriously.
Me too, although, I still think they take it more seriously if MSU would be there second loss and the head-to-head tie-breaker would effectively take them out of the equation.
I was actually trying to dispute his point that us beating Iowa makes the game more winnable for MSU more than anything. I don't see any reason that that would be true.
Illinois, Iowa or NW - MSU will lose TWO of those games.
becomes a lot less interesting after Saturday's butt-whompin'. I mean, my butt still hurts and I didn't play. Michigan just has to go out and get a few more wins, show that they're on the upswing--that's the measure now, if you ask me.
No. An outside chance, maybe. But not a fast track.
And don't take seriously anyone who says MSU and undefeated season in the same breath; they're just trying to get under your skin.
I don't see MSU beating Iowa at Kinnick, with likely national exposure (possibly College Gameday or, even scarier, a night game).
Even if MSU was to get past Iowa somehow, they'll probably drop one other game -- most likely Northwestern, though Illinois could be a trap game too.
I think they have a serious chance at going undefeated.
Sure wish M had that schedule. Little bro won't go undefeated, they'll find a way to screw it up (they always do).
i see them probably going 10-2 or 11-1. they appear to have shaken the SPARTY NO that is deep within their souls. they were super clutch against wisconsin and they rarely made a mistake against us on either side of the ball.
if that was our remaining schedule, we'd be wondering if we can beat iowa and get to 12-0 and from what i saw, state is a good bit better than us this year. minnesota, purdue, illinois, and penn state are all terrible. NW is ok, and iowa is good. if they have less than 10 wins i will be shocked. very pleased, but shocked