OT: Raiders/Chargers Potentially Making Joint Stadium... in Carson
http://www.chargers.com/news/2015/02/19/joint-statement-raiders-and-cha…
So....2 division rivals... 1 stadium... this is going to go over well if it comes to fruition. Al Davis is probably rolling over in his grave at the thought of it. Not to mention what are the Chargers' owners thinking? There's no way the Raiders are less popular than the Chargers in LA.
LA Raiders straight outta Compton/Carson?
LA Chargers of San Diego by way of Carson?
February 20th, 2015 at 3:01 AM ^
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February 20th, 2015 at 1:31 AM ^
Isn't it shown that cities/taxpayers never recoup the money lost in debt that they use to fund sports stadiums with?
The Chargers owner should just sack up and pay for it himself or split it evenly. This just seems like a crappy attempt at a shakedown to get SD to capitulate.
February 20th, 2015 at 8:21 AM ^
February 20th, 2015 at 8:50 AM ^
If I recall correctly there is still a federal tax of some sort still being collected to pay for the Spanish American War. Back when we paid for wars in cash instead of on the national AMEX card.
If the public is paying for these stadiums with tax revenue, they should get a guaranteed % of revenue until the initial capital outlay is repaid. Goddamn corporate welfare queens.
February 20th, 2015 at 11:31 AM ^
As of 2013 there were still, incredibly, two people collecting benefits tied to Civil War service and 10 for Spanish-American War service. These were going to children or spouses of veterans (who are, of course, deceased).
February 20th, 2015 at 11:40 AM ^
the tax was levied from 1898 to 2006. It was a 3% tax on long distance phone calls that was bringing in $15 billion per year at the time it was repealed.
Interesting link btw.
February 20th, 2015 at 12:38 PM ^
February 20th, 2015 at 12:54 PM ^
debt, yes. Coupled with increased taxation to service the debt and pay it off quickly. As opposed to long-term debt coupled with tax cuts, because reasons.
February 20th, 2015 at 9:02 AM ^
All this stuff is easy to look up.
February 20th, 2015 at 5:14 PM ^
February 20th, 2015 at 11:18 AM ^
Isn't it shown that cities/taxpayers never recoup the money lost in debt that they use to fund sports stadiums with?
Never is too strong a word. If a franchise is genuinely on its way out if it doesn't get a stadium, it's probably worth building one when you consider the economic impact franchises have on a city (creating jobs and spillover business, and some tax revenue). I think this is especially true for baseball, with its 81 home dates. As much as Detroit is struggling, if you took away those 81 days when tens of thousands come into the city and spend money, it would be in even worse shape.
For the NFL, with only 10 home games (counting the preseason), it's probably a more questionable proposition. Still, there is the intangible, emotional aspect of having a franchise that is important to a lot of people.
If an owner is just bluffing and has no plans to move, then a new stadium isn't worth it. The problem is that you can't usually tell in advance.
February 20th, 2015 at 4:33 PM ^
What percentage of Tigers fans spend money (and how much) outside of Comerica on gameday. Most are probably spending $10-20 on parking, but I'd like to know how many go to tha bar or to eat downtown before and/or after the game. It's probably more than I think because there after definitely a few bars that are only in business due to game traffic but my sense is a significant portion of the Tigers' crowd drives in and out and that's it, especially on weeknights. Plus, I feel like most of the parking lots are owned by one or two companies. My personal experience is usually driving in and out and I even know of a free parking spot, so if I do spend money outside of the stadium it's like $1 for cajun peanuts.
February 20th, 2015 at 1:38 AM ^
But can the middle class out there afford tickets to those games?
February 20th, 2015 at 1:43 AM ^
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/s
February 20th, 2015 at 1:52 AM ^
It's a sad society where billionares can successfully extort hundreds of millions from common taxpayers to build them staduims that are barely used as a showcase where you pay hundreds to watch millionares play a game. Oh, and they are counted as a not-for-profit.
February 20th, 2015 at 11:20 AM ^
The franchises themselves aren't non-profit. It's the NFL league office that is.
February 20th, 2015 at 2:08 AM ^
didn't read the article, but there are a lot of chargers fans living here. just sayin'
February 20th, 2015 at 3:27 AM ^
Gimme the Rams all day! What they need to do is just start a expansion team here in LA! Start over already.
Please no Raiders here
February 20th, 2015 at 3:45 AM ^
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February 20th, 2015 at 7:44 AM ^
...the Broncos & Seahawks would be the first pair of franchises to announce a joint stadium.
Thank you, I'll be here all week. Please remember to tip your servers.
February 20th, 2015 at 7:51 AM ^
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February 20th, 2015 at 12:05 PM ^
Will it have turf, or natural grass?
February 20th, 2015 at 8:34 AM ^
The Los Angeles Times has concept renderings of the proposed site right here - LINK
“We're thinking about the project as a 21st century, next-generation stadium,” said architect David Manica, noting that the venue and renderings are still in the early conceptual stages. “We want it to be the ultimate outdoor event experience, which includes both sports and entertainment. And we want it to be uniquely L.A.”
Manica represents the same firm that did the renovations of Dolphin Stadium as well as Wembley Stadium. The Texans' stadium is their handiwork too.
February 20th, 2015 at 9:51 AM ^
Concourses will be mishmashed all around the stadium and weave to God knows where with too little room, the hot dogs will be $10-15 depending on if you want all organic grass fed humanely killed beef, or a vegan fair trade Boca Dog from the in-house Whole Foods. Suites will have real grass seating areas watered by the leftover spillage from cokes in the bleacher seating, and you'll have to take a 30-yr mortgage out to pay for season tickets. But HEY! Steve Martin, Iggy Azalea, and some guy who playeda Stormtrooper in ALL THREE ORIGINAL TRILOGIES(!!) will be in the same stadium as you! Cue Randy Newman!
*Music* I loooovvee LA!
February 20th, 2015 at 11:32 AM ^
if you put a good product on the field the fans will come. Moving to LA might solve the attendance problem for the first couple of years because of the novelty but if they continue to churn out 4-12 type seasons, attendance will start to tail off.