OT: Netflix "Making a Murderer"
Had a chance to binge "Making a Murderer" this week, and can't stop thinking about the outcome of this incredible true-life documentary. I heard about the Steven Avery case when I was still living in Chicago, but had no idea of the controversy -- and outright corruption in the Wisconsin Department of Justice and the Manitowoc County Sherriff's department. Just an absolutely incredible, gut-wrenching story. If you haven't seen it yet, you're missing a difficult yet thought provoking 10-part series.
I'm wondering if any MGoLawyers who have seen the series are able to comment on the proceedings, and whether this could be a thread for discussion.
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We're not bad people. We just did a bad thing.
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December 28th, 2015 at 9:20 PM ^
This is what elected DA's get you. People tend to vote for conviction rate no matter the method. I quit watching when the lawsuit was squashed after the judge ruled for no basis of wrong doing in the first trial. Maybe I get back to it when I cool down some.
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Yep...this is going to be a social network feast. The shit is about to hit the fan in that town.
December 28th, 2015 at 9:47 PM ^
I've also watched the documentary. Keep in mind that this show was filmed from the perspective of the convicted and is obviously biased. Since it was released there has been some independant people that reviewed the evidence and have said that the documentary leaves out some critical information presumedly in an effort to aid in the convicted's agenda.
Basically, this documentary claims the cops planted evidence on no less than 4 separate occasions and faked an FBI test. I will agree that some stuff seemed fishy, especially with how it was presented to the viewer, but that just seems like a stretch.
December 28th, 2015 at 10:05 PM ^
that the EDTA test had been faked, they alleged that it was A) unreliable in that it can only confirm the presence of EDTA and not confirm with 100% certainty that there isn't EDT in a sample, and B) that it's utterly ridiculous that the FBI managed to get that test together in a matter of weeks, when it took years for DNA evidence that exonerated Steve Avery the first time around to get examined.
December 28th, 2015 at 10:06 PM ^
SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
What did they leave out? I've heard people say this, but when they are questioned, the person just disappears into the wind.
The fact that two cops who were being deposed in a 36 million dollar civil suit were around for every key piece of evidence found (Oh hey look! Here's a key in plain view we hadn't seen in our first seven attempts of searching this bedroom!) is beyond suspicious. Or that they couldn't get their stories straight on the stand.
Or that we're supposed to believe that Steve Avery and/or his nephew (two 70-80 IQ individuals) somehow were smart enough to remove every (and I mean every!) trace of DNA evidence from the garage and trailer where Teresa Halbach was stabbed, raped and shot multiple times, but then were too stupid to hide her vehicle off their property. And oh hey! The vehicle happens to contain a small amount of Steve Avery's blood. You know, a small tampered with vial amount's worth.
I dunno man, I agree that this was definitely from the point of view of the Avery family and from what I've read about them painted them in a better light than they deserved...but the investigation and the trial seem prettttyyyyyyyyyyyyy shady to me, especially given the history of the family with the police in their county.
December 28th, 2015 at 11:07 PM ^
I guess I haven't really made an attempt to dig into the other side of the story I've just seen the comments on the twittersphere. I'm not claiming to know whether or not Avery did it or not. What I do know is that there is evidence showing that he did it and I didn't necessarily find his defense to be "reasonable".
Again, I don't know if Avery did it. I don't have access to all of the information. I generally think that in life the solution to most questions is generally the simplest and its easier for me to believe that he did kill her rather than some ellaborate conspiracy theory undertaken by the police department. Throw in the fact that this show came out at a time when its easy for people to pile on the police and I can see how people are up in arms.
I look at it the same way I look at everyone in an uproar over police brutality. Is there a chance that the cops were in the wrong? Absolutely. But lets not act like every ass kicking just magically falls from the sky.
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What's up with the tampered blood vial? The key (shady) detective knew where it was and clearly somebody took some out. And the cut on his finger they photographed during his immediate questioning was scabbed over and old (had been healing for some time). And they searched 7(!) times and they never found the key prior, plus he had months to get rid of it between all those searches and didn't?
The bullet and skull fragments suggest somebody shot her in the head but not a shred of blood splatter is found anywhere on his property, which would have been massive with a headshot.
I assume you can atleast agree Brandon had nothing to do with it and the cops basically conned him into this weird confession story. My blood was boiling during those "interrogations". They were forcing this simple kid into writing down their story via confusing him and made him sign it.
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What I didn't get about Brandon is why they didn't use the closing arguments from the DA as proof that the state didn't think Brandon was involved. They say "one man and one man only" and the DA points out that the evidence doesn't suggest that anything happened inside the house, which directly contradicts his confession. The DA used two contradicting sets of evidence to convict two people of the same crime.
December 29th, 2015 at 9:52 AM ^
They didn't find any of Thresa's blood in the Rav4 if I remember right. The license plate was NOT on the car.
As someone else said, how did this dumb guy clean the car so well and after he cleaned the car of all her blood, why was he so dumb to leave just a few drops of his own blood.
Oh btw, if he killed her in the car and moved her in the car why did the dumb nephew say she was murdered in the trailer?
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Only thing: Wasn't there several days in between the time she was taking picture to the time she was reported missing? So he could have easily crushed the car at some point in the next 72 hours correct?
Its funny (in a gallows humor way) that you were able to come up with a 100x more plausible scenario than Kratz.
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Really solid sleuthing. The bullet jumped out to me too as a really important piece of evidence (the forensics contamination there was always just a red herring). I agree it seems absolutely farfetched that Avery could have killed Halbach in his garage without leaving a trace of evidence save for a single discharged bullet with her DNA on it (the bullet was discharged, and smashed into the concrete, right?). I wonder if it could have been possible he handled that bullet and others while commiting the murder somewhere else, say reloading his gun, and then he fired it some time later in the garage, thereby inadvertantly planting the evidence himself.
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Just read the wiki on this. Sad. I only did so because I'm so behind on shows and likely wouldn't have watched this any time soon but it sounds like a damn good film. Again, sad.
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December 29th, 2015 at 1:37 AM ^
Just finished all ten the last 36 hours. I ALMOST posted something similar last night. Unbelievable. Every person from the sheriff's department and DA's department should go immediately to jail without passing go. I want to punch them all in the face.
December 29th, 2015 at 5:24 AM ^
My wife and I are trying to watch this but midway through episode 2 I can't see how there's enough material for another 8 episodes. I don't mean to sound crass, but does it get more interesting?
December 29th, 2015 at 9:55 AM ^
It gets more interesting because after he gets exhonorated on the rape charge, the cops frame him on a murder charge to get off on the huge law suit (allegedly)
December 29th, 2015 at 10:02 AM ^
But that's in episode 2.
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I will have to watch this. Anyone watch the documentaries about the "West Memphis Three"? Any similarities?
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December 29th, 2015 at 10:50 AM ^
this doc also enraged me - as it was intended to do. Viewed from the perspective of an attorney - I find it very hard to believe that the case was as one sided as the doc made it seem.
I recently read an article stating that the prosecutor in both cases stated that 80-90% of the physical evidence was witheld from the doc and that obviously it was made to enflame the public. Properly done police work isn't as newsworthy or enticing as a man framed twice along with his developmentally delayed nephew.
Also, completely irrelevant to the Avery cases, the prosecutor was later disciplined by the WI bar for sexting with victims of crimes he was investigating and prosecuting. Sleazy dude for sure.
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