stephenrjking

December 12th, 2016 at 2:03 PM ^

There were some disappointments from the mid-Carr era, to be sure, but the way he juggled ultra-prospect Drew Henson and future NFL all-timer Tom Brady wound up working out pretty well. I don't believe playing Brady for the entirety of the MSU game would have flipped that result, and if that's the case then Michigan did as well as it possibly could.

Drew going full-time in Baseball was not Carr's fault.

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ST3

December 12th, 2016 at 2:31 PM ^

We must remember it differently. We only lost by 3 points. I can't find a decent recap, but if you check the boxscore, Henson completed 50% of his passes, threw 1 INT, and ran 5 times for -19 yards. We scored one time with him at QB on a 81 yard pass. The rest of the time he was in there, it was a struggle. Meanwhile, Brady went 30 for 41 for 285 yards, no sacks and no INTs. I'll go to my grave thinking that Lloyd cost himself a 2nd national championship by playing Henson in that game. We lost the following week in a hangover effect. Otherwise, that team was solid. Could have been stouter on defense, but with Brady at QB we had a chance to outscore anybody.

http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/100999aaa.html

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stephenrjking

December 12th, 2016 at 3:46 PM ^

Brady was assigned the task of coming back from a series of 17-point deficits in that MSU game against a team that was doing whatever it wanted against our defense. 

As a result, Michigan opened up the playbook that, other than that 81-yard bomb (by Henson) hadn't really gotten much done in the first half. Brady managed two late TDs to pull us within three, and then MSU got yet another Plexico Burress pass completion to make the key first down to run out the clock.

This was pretty typical Lloydball. I don't have quick access to the sack numbers, but Michigan rushed for 6 yards after sacks removed in that game. They weren't getting anything done offensively with either QB early until that bomb.

After the deficit became big, Lloyd opened the throttle and the team started making progress through the air with Brady. However, the point is that Michigan had to get way behind to convince the coaches to allow the QB to throw that aggressively. Brady threw for a lot of yards because Michigan was in full comeback mode.

This is very typical of Lloydball, and we all remember seemingly countless games where Lloyd has allowed his QBs to light it up late once a comeback is required. A significant number of the top single-game passing performances in Michigan history remain games in which Michigan QBs were forced to attempt to rally Lloyd Carr teams from late two-score deficits.

Meanwhile, MSU was able to let off of the gas with a big lead, almost letting off too early. They got big passes to Burress whenever they wanted them.

There is simply nothing I saw in that game (I was there) that leads me to believe that Michigan could have stopped MSU if they had wanted or needed to keep scoring, and nothing either in that game or in the career of Lloyd Carr that suggests Michigan's success level would be notably different if Brady had been in the whole game.

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ST3

December 12th, 2016 at 6:18 PM ^

Henson started the 3rd quarter. He did nothing offensively. He looked real jittery in the pocket. State scored to make it 20-10. Henson threw an INT and MSU cashed in to go up by 17. Then Lloyd put Brady back in and we scored 21 points in 15 minutes.

I agree that we had no shot at stopping Burress (10 catches for ~250 yards.) But if we could have scored with them in the 3rd quarter, the outcome may have been different.

These are mostly state highlights, but you can see how bad Henson looked in the 3rd quarter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUfbegyjpog

 

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copacetic

December 12th, 2016 at 2:05 PM ^

 


“DeShone is an extremely gifted quarterback that was faced with a difficult decision,” Irish head coach Brian Kelly said. “He could return as a senior captain at Notre Dame -- a place that he loves, and with a program that respects him immensely. Or, he could begin the next chapter in his life and accept the opportunity that likely awaits in the NFL.

 

“While he chose the latter, the type of leadership DeShone displayed this past season will benefit our program moving forward. He’ll certainly be missed on and off the field, but we’re very happy for him and his family. DeShone will always represent this University with the utmost professionalism and class.”

 

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1VaBlue1

December 12th, 2016 at 2:35 PM ^

LOL!!  Here is a kid that part-timed his team to a 4-8 record, expecting to go in the draft.  I mean, Hackenburg was drafted, so yeah, Kizer will get picked.  I doubt he'll work out...  I keep thinking of the many posts on here I saw early in the season, where people were asking for Kizer to replace Speight.  That would have been awful...

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SF Wolverine

December 12th, 2016 at 3:00 PM ^

and even then, if he can fit in a ten-win season in after that, he'll be safe.  Fun to watch; more fun that we avoided this fate by dumping Brandon and having th eexceptional good fortune to land JH.

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treetown

December 12th, 2016 at 10:47 PM ^

1. Team doesn't look good.

2. No benefit from sticking around from a coaching standpoint.

3. Probably not a good situation with Kelly and the QBs  in general.

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