OT: More Abuse Allegations against Ohio State Doctor
Not much else to add, commentary-wise to this growing list of atrocities being committed at two of the Big Ten's most esteemed institutions.
The more heads that roll for this, the better. Tear down statues, empty the endowment, do whatever it takes.
I'm in Cleveland, so it isn't my district, but goddamn I wish someone would really dig in to what Jim Jordan knew and what (if anything) he did with that knowledge.
Edit: if seeing the alleged victims coming forward in Michigan inspired those in Ohio to do the same; good.
Jim Jordan's 4th district is TOTALLY NOT jerrymandered by the way.
The fuck is that? Looks like something even North Carolina and Georgia could be proud of!
Go check out Dan Crenshaw’s district in Texas.
I remember learning about Gerrymandering in elementary, junior and highschool and thinking it was great that we're beyond that.
I was so naive.
Here's Dan Crenshaw's district for those not inclined to google.
Looks like it was written by a drunken pirate. Yarrr.
If you look carefully, you will see a small hook shape at the extreme east end (sort of like the district's duck shape had a tongue). That is specifically to grab the Grafton Correctional Institute into Jordan's district, so that there would be enough residents in the district, but not necessarily ones that could vote.
Also, Jordan's district is, at most, only the third-worst gerrymandered district in Ohio. Check out the 9th, which stretches along Lake Erie from Toledo to Cleveland. As it passes through western Cuyahoga County (and in other places), it is about a half mile wide, but it's over 100 miles long.
Also, the 11th district encompasses the majority-minority east side of Cleveland and connects it via a narrow corridor to a big chunk of Akron.
The real issue with the gerrymandering in Ohio (and other states) is that it results in very few "swing" districts. There are 16 districts in Ohio, and in the four elections since 2012 (including fairly strong wave elections for both parties during that time), not once did a single seat flip parties. The safety (from a party perspective) of these seats encourages hyperpartisanship, as the only way to lose an election is in the primary by not being sufficiently partisan, as former OSU WR Anthony Gonzalez may soon discover. You end up with a bunch of Congresspeople that represent the same state and yet have a disincentive to work together. Michigan residents can say what they will about gerrymandering in their state; at least they have some seats with competitive elections and representatives that benefit from working across the aisle.
Ah, we'll take Marcie Kaptur for $200
lol "WTAF"?
Is it "jerrymandering" because it's sorta in the shape of a J?
Does it really take that much effort in Ohio to collect a million idiots into one voting block?
[Ohio joke, not politics.]
But it works on both levels! +1, sir...
They sure do it here in Illinois. I will avoid politics, except to say that whoever is in power is in support of gerrymandering, REGARDLESS of their political affiliation. What sucks is that those running for election (as newcomers) are ALWAYS against gerrymandering. Until they get elected, and their political party is in power. Makes you totally cynical.
That district bears a resemblance to the original district that gave rise to the term "gerrymander":
Named after Elbridge Gerry, one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, who wasn't directly responsible for that district but was Massachusetts governor when it was created.
And he denounced the "excesses of democracy," like allowing many people to vote and have a say in government.
I.e., white men without property? Can't believe they ever let those ruffians vote.
Elissa Slotkin has Jim Jordan beat when it comes to gerrymandering. If I knew how to post a picture, I would...but, alas.
You do realize that Slotkin’s district was gerrymandered for the Republican candidate, right? Mike Rogers was the rep from that district when the lines were redrawn to keep him in office. Then Mike Bishop took over and Slotkin beat him in 2018 and kept the seat against Paul Junge in 2020.
I appreciate the subtle sarcastic jab. 'Insert Chris Farley No Idea! gif.'
Slotkin's district isn't that bad, although it doesn't really make sense as a community of interest. I think you mean Haley Stevens' district, which looks like a drunk question mark. It was supposed to be a safe Republican seat, but that blew up in 2018.
Are you sure you're talking about her district (MI-8th) and not the 14th?
You don't find that to be a perfectly natural inkblot?
Looks sort of like a duck holding a frog in its bill.
This was my district in Austin, TX. It managed to effectively combine all of us liberals in Austin and San Antonio into a single district.
Ha! That's nothing compared to Chicago.
Wow, it even includes Champaign Urbana, which, from what I know of Geography, is two states away.
Jim Jordan knew almost everything and the things he didn't know he chose not to. This guys is a total fucktard and the worst scourge of Ohio politicians. Thank God I am literally 10 minutes south of his scrolling district or I'd move.
SOP for SOBs: Deny and attack.
That’s not the Jim Jordan I knew
-jim brandstatter
Big ten athletics starting to feel a lot like the catholic church.
It's almost as if evil things happen when you put institutions (religious or otherwise) on a pedestal so high they are run unchecked.
Couldn't have said it better myself
It's almost as if evil things happen when you put institutions (religious or otherwise) on a pedestal so high they are run unchecked.
...principalities and powers in high places. Humanity: always creating new kingdoms in order to rule and be in positions of power.
I wouldn't call OSU an esteemed institution. Its good at some sports and that's about it.
I hate OSU as much as the next guy, but after Michigan and Northwestern, OSU is in the 2nd tier of Big10 academic institutions with our other rival, Illinois.
I thought "other rival" = Rutger
The 2 Rutger's fans are not laughing....
Behind WI & IL, too, if you go by the 2021 US News National Universities ranking.
#9 NU
#24 U-M
#42 WI
#47 IL
#53 OSU & Purdue
Full listing can be found here:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wlns.com/news/local-news/new-college-rankings-place-msu-12th-out-of-14-schools-in-big-ten/amp/
I’ve separated into my view of the tiers.
- Northwestern – 9
- Michigan – 24
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- Wisconsin – 42
- Illinois – 47
- Purdue/Ohio State – 53
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- Maryland – 58
- Rutgers/Penn State – 63
- Minnesota – 66
- Indiana – 76
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- MSU – 80
- Iowa – 88
- Nebraska – 133
It is nebulous after the first tier, except for MSU being in the bottom. So much corn in that bottom tier. I visited MSU’s website for their FRIB Center, and noticed they bragged about hybrid corn.
I love U of M. So proud to have gone there. But we are not in the NW tier.
How narrow are your tiers? If you look at other rankings, we’re right there with NU.
Timeshighereducation.com’s rankings have them 22 to our 23. Our alumni network is certainly much larger and possibly more influential as a result. I’ve lived in SoCal for 25 years and work in a high tech industry. I have never met an NU grad. I’ve lost count of how many Michigan people I’ve worked with.
I mean, sure, if journalism is important to you, Northwestern is a better school, but overall? I’ll take Michigan.
No its not really in that tier either. My parents are from Cleveland, and the general gestalt was that OSU was for the "idiots" in their class because there was a time they took everyone no matter how bad of a student you were. There's something to be said about "taking everyone", but it also means there is a large portion of students suck and bring the university down. My cousins in the Akron area have kids who are getting ready to apply to college. And while they are die-hard OSU fans, OSU is not a target school for them. They basically said that if you want a career outside of Ohio, you either go to Case or UC or somewhere outside the state, not OSU.
As for rankings, last years USNews is below. I would put OSU in a tier III or IV (not II)
1. NW
2. Michigan
3. Wisconsin
4. Illinois
5. Purdue
6. Maryland
7. OSU
To their credit, and I will deny having said this if any of us ever meet face to face, OSU upgraded its selectiveness and academic rigor in the early part of this century and while not a top tier public school, it's a quality school with some elite departments.
Edit: and now I will wash out my mouth with soap
In which departments are they elite? I'm genuinely curious and not judging.
To be fair, the only ones I know about for sure are nursing and dance (and to be fair, my source from that was a dance major at OSU I struck out with many moons ago, so YMMV) but a lot of their other departments like law, nursing, and business are top 30ish.
Dance?!
Im seriously laughing right now. I guess you don’t go to OSU to play school.
This might be the first non-football thing you and I have ever agreed on but I think you're right, OSU's academic standards have risen significantly over the past several years and it's no longer the laughing stock academically it used to be. Couple that with their huge alumni network and an undergrad degree from OSU, especially if you're pursing finance or law, isnt bad.
FWIW I'm starting college tours in July with my youngest son (he's going to be a junior) and the first stop is OSU, then Miami and Case.
What the hell, where is the Ann Arbor stop???
That's the next trip: University of Michigan, University of Chicago & Northwestern.
But to be candid the academic undergrad experience at large state colleges isnt hugely different but the tuition sure is. I think he'd be far better off going in-state for his undergrad degree (either OSU or Miami) and then shoot for the moon for grad school.