OT, but funny. Miami starting to lose recruits
November 11th, 2022 at 8:20 AM ^
I found it. This was the kid, and the other school involved was Florida, the school he is flipping to. Crazy times.
https://www.si.com/college/2022/06/27/miami-qb-recruit-jaden-rashada-addresses-reported-nil-deal
November 11th, 2022 at 8:57 AM ^
So "Miami" = YTM
November 11th, 2022 at 8:28 AM ^
Whoever Miami’s OC is likely doesn’t need him because they are a scoring machine, right?
November 11th, 2022 at 11:27 AM ^
Gattis probably doesn't need him because he's gonna be fired soon.
November 11th, 2022 at 1:12 PM ^
It seems Mario could be looking for a scapegoat. An average at best offense might lead to an OC getting the axe.
November 11th, 2022 at 8:07 PM ^
Not fast enough for speed in space?
November 11th, 2022 at 8:30 AM ^
“I would never make a life/career choice for any monetary value.”
Right, kid. I would never choose a job making $10.5M over one making $9.0M either.
Gattis has a huge budget apparently, and still sucks at his job. This inducement at Miami and Florida is all illegal. Wonder when the NCAA investigation will begin. Hmmmm
November 11th, 2022 at 9:52 AM ^
Don't know when the investigation will begin, but I know how it will end. USF will get drilled.
FiFY
November 11th, 2022 at 11:03 AM ^
USF may just self-induce a penalty by hiring little Scottie Frost.
November 11th, 2022 at 9:56 AM ^
Right, kid. I would never choose a job making $10.5M over one making $9.0M either.
i mean, i guess. but...well, i think there's a case to be made that you're better off picking a spot on something other than pure dollars, especially for college, when development is - by FAR - the most critical thing to think about. this is admittedly going to sound slightly insane, but the difference between $9M and $10.5M won't matter much if you didn't get prepared to have a meaningful career in the nfl.
November 11th, 2022 at 10:44 AM ^
But he chose $1.5m less @YTM and then reneged to go back for that sweet $. Unless he got part of that $9m as a signing bonus and now is gonna get that plus the $10.5m. or maybe the guy negotiated $11m+ from the Gators. I hope he is taking them all for what they are worth in pure cash money. Neither team is going to compete for a playoff spot.
November 11th, 2022 at 10:56 AM ^
NIL has gotten out of control. Professional sports have more regulations than college at this point. There needs to be a regulatory body before college football has no soul left.
November 11th, 2022 at 11:32 AM ^
Thanks for the good laugh today.
November 11th, 2022 at 8:31 AM ^
Weren’t we recruiting him initially? Like prioR to money being his key criteria for choosing a school?
November 11th, 2022 at 8:37 AM ^
crazy a high school kid being offered money playing football than Lemar Jackson’s NFL salary
November 11th, 2022 at 8:44 AM ^
That is why I think this NIL craze will fade a bit as the market stabilizes. These places are spending NFL money for kids who are very hit or miss. Look at TAMU. They spent more money than anyone else and they're probably not going to make a bowl game. Look at what OSU spent on Quinn Ewers to never take a snap there.
The guys driving this have money, but their accounts are not bottomless. Eventually they're going to need to see ROI.
November 11th, 2022 at 9:30 AM ^
Exactly - no correlation between money spent and results AND there are probably a lot of unintended secondary effects that the coaching and admin hate. It is a clearly a broad generalization but people who have a lot of money often have a lot of expectations when throwing their money around. Especially those who buy their way into things - access to the coaches, kids, "inside scoops" - not just sideline passes and picts and autographs.
Surprised the model hasn't been that someone or group sponsors a whole team. Like the wrestling or lacrosse team - every player on the official roster gets a cut of the pie and if they do well, they get some bonus. Individuals can still cut deals but it might be more cohesive for the team sports.
November 11th, 2022 at 9:56 AM ^
Alumni that are stupid rich will continue to throw money around without much concern of consequences. However, one of the "hopes" with this NIL might be that making it legal means that you're signing contracts, not just taking bags of cash. So the booster might be able to say "Here's $2M but I need you to sign this contract that says you'll only advertise for me for the next three years and if you transfer you have to pay back 50% of it" or something like that.
If anything I suspect there are a lot of kids signing bad deals because they aren't educated or represented well enough to know what they're getting into.
November 11th, 2022 at 10:34 AM ^
Yeah, this is the right take. The idea that people are looking for a "return" on an NIL deal primarily meant to benefit their school being successful on the field doesn't seem right. Rich people spend money all the time for stuff like that without a locked in ROI. After all, what's the point of having fuck you money if you never say fuck you?
I do think the market itself will stabilize over time, it's probably a little high right now and the terms/approaches are still being felt out. Over time it will stabilize and NIL terms will become more commonplace. Though given the state laws and creative approaches universities will want to take their probably will always be some variance.
November 11th, 2022 at 10:51 AM ^
I disagree.
The boosters will not continue to throw money at these kids if the W's don't increase.
They can certainly do something with the money that will give them a return and they didn't get to where they are by not caring...
Also, if this is all being done under the table, nobody wants a knock on the door, especially from the IRS.
November 11th, 2022 at 10:56 AM ^
They have "fuck you" money but most of them didn't get that way by throwing good money after bad without ANY limitations. The guys who bought TAMU a huge recruiting class will probably deliver again next year, and maybe the year after that, because they know that not all investments pan out right away. They know you can't win without taking risks. But eventually they're going to want to see a result.
I disagree strongly that they're not looking for ROI. Of COURSE they are. They want their team to win, and win more than the team favored by their rival rich guy. They're not giving money to college football players out of some misguided sense of charity. They want wins, and if the wins don't appear, they will have set themselves up to have leverage to determine the next steps.
November 11th, 2022 at 11:03 AM ^
Sure I guess if the ROI is football team being good than that's reasonable to view it. But I also think if the team isn't winning that's going to come back to coaches eventually and then you "buy in" with the next coach. Not unlimited money, but people who are passionate about things and have money find ways to keep spending it on their passion. It's not unlimited, but these guys know and understand the risk. If there's not results the market will adjust in both deals, but also coaches.
November 11th, 2022 at 10:59 AM ^
There are plenty of rich alumni who will not run out of money. Plus they probably just setup a charitable organization for all of the NIL stuff and find a way to write it off.
November 11th, 2022 at 11:45 AM ^
Money in college sports is not a new fad. Money from alumni and boosters has always been there. That's how the stadiums, weight rooms, practice facilities, dinning halls, etc, etc, etc have all been build over the years. The money to pay kids year after year has also always been there.
The difference now is that it is much more public and legal to pay players, so more of it is going to go to the players. Whether that is good or bad, I have no idea.
What I do fully expect to see over the next few years, is a good number of schools will find there isn't enough money to run the mega sports complexes they have built up through funds donated to the AD department because more of that money is going to recruits in football and basketball. When that happens, schools will start cutting other sports. Once that happens, pressure on the NCAA and lawmakers will greatly increase to save college sports from itself.
November 11th, 2022 at 9:44 AM ^
Lamar Lemar?
November 11th, 2022 at 8:37 AM ^
What are Gattis’s odds of a Broyles twopeat???
November 11th, 2022 at 8:44 AM ^
He seems like a .... longshot. In the Peyton Thorne for Heisman category. Those bets trade on the Vegas pink sheets.
November 11th, 2022 at 9:54 AM ^
Seems high...
November 11th, 2022 at 11:14 AM ^
Is there a Razzie version of the Broyles? At this point Gattis would be leading Brian Ferentz, along with whoever is coaching special teams at LSU
November 11th, 2022 at 11:26 AM ^
I think Brian Ferentz is the clear leader for Ass. of the Year, because of the number of years in the current system. Gattis should win for for Worst New Coordinator, however.
November 11th, 2022 at 8:50 AM ^
I know there are many different views about NIL, with a pretty common perspective that Michigan needs to be clearer about its NIL program.
I’m supportive of every student athlete, and have no concern / issue with fair compensation for them through their NIL agreements.
There’s a feeling of doing it the right way. And, as players announce their decisions, I can accept the “hats on a table”, etc.
I cannot recall a Michigan player announcement of their commitment with a Lamborghini or Mercedes G63. And, honestly, I hope to never see one.
The NIL “activities” of players like Blake and JJ - giving back to the community - reflect, IMO, the character of the team, and I really respect their approach, and wish them nothing but continued success and happiness.
Go Blue!
November 11th, 2022 at 9:01 AM ^
I’m not going to act like M’s program is pure as the wind driven snow, but it seems to me that they’re getting it done without being douchy skeezebags.
In the playoff picture without any of that kind of attention and the kids seem to be pretty decent dudes (from what they let us see anyway); I like it.
November 11th, 2022 at 10:25 AM ^
There's definitely a balance. I think we started out at one end of the NIL spectrum and TAMU started at the other end. I think we are slowly moving towards the middle a bit by embracing NIL with the collectives, while TAMU will likely try to move towards the middle due how this year has gone
November 11th, 2022 at 10:26 AM ^
Along those lines, the kid might turn out to be a great player (and student...), but I would be wary of brining someone into my program that says not to believe anything you hear from anyone else, except if it comes directly from him. He's basically saying, I might do some shady things, but if I don't get caught or never admit to it, it's all good. Not exactly the accountability you want from your future leader.
November 11th, 2022 at 11:52 AM ^
Welllllllllll....there was the whole Quinn Nordin flying in on a private jet to announce for PSU and then flipping to Michigan. I can't remember if he flew back to do that or not so you may still be accurate.
November 11th, 2022 at 8:53 AM ^
Get paid
November 11th, 2022 at 9:10 AM ^
And yet Miami still has the top rated CB and OT, the overall number 4 & 5 players in the country, and their 2023 class is ranked well ahead of M’s. Sigh
November 11th, 2022 at 9:16 AM ^
And still, Miami sucks and Michigan is a potential CFP team.
November 11th, 2022 at 10:34 AM ^
For sure, but recruiting matters for the future teams. I'm not one to complain about recruiting, but I do hope we end our 2023 class strong
November 11th, 2022 at 11:23 AM ^
I’m not one to complaint about recruiting
You just did.
It’s dumb to worry about this stuff. Harbaugh’s staff can identify and develop talent, that’s plainly obvious. We’ll be fine.
November 11th, 2022 at 1:45 PM ^
lol sorry but stating facts and typing the word "sigh" is not complaining. Saying that recruiting matters for future teams and I hope we end the cycle strong is not complaining. Sorry to upset you!
November 11th, 2022 at 9:18 AM ^
Just means those players won't be competing against Michigan in the playoffs. See ya, boys, enjoy your time in South Floriduh!
November 11th, 2022 at 9:27 AM ^
Talent alone is not the answer. Texas A&M brought the "greatest recruiting class of all time" and added it to a roster that wasn't exactly lacking in talent. What did it get them? Basically nothing.
November 11th, 2022 at 11:17 AM ^
This argument is dumb, Its been 1 year. Lets see what happens in another 2-3 years with those kids. Even the best croots struggle their first year.
November 11th, 2022 at 12:13 PM ^
What the hell don't people understand? The A&M #1 class are true freshmen and quite a few actually play. If these kids transfer out/ suck in 2 years, then it's a huge failure, but calling a true freshman class "bad" means you don't understand college football.
Why did Cade start/ play so much last year? Why isn't Will Johnson starting? What about Loveland? Is he a bust?
November 11th, 2022 at 3:11 PM ^
Give Michigan the "greatest recruiting class of all time" last offeseason and I'd bet dollars to donuts that team wouldn't be performing worse than last season. Give subpar coaches the most talent and they're as likely to squander it as they are to excel with it. Isn't that a common knock on Franklin around here? Great recruiter, horrible deceloper of talent.
November 11th, 2022 at 11:37 AM ^
Basketball is the sport where a #1 class can immediately turn you into a championship contender. In football, it takes a couple years. Texas A&M is imploding because Jimbo hasn't had a QB for two years. Put Caleb Williams or the Martinez kid at KSU on their roster and the mood is a lot better down there.
November 11th, 2022 at 9:39 AM ^
yep, and the next guy in line in terms of rankings is an 'edge'. All three of those players would get better coaching and, likely, have better long term NIL prospects at Michigan. I join your sigh.
Long term, stringing top 5 recruiting classes together is essential to sustaining this success. Here's to landing some great classes in '24 and beyond.