It's the dog days of the Big Ten conference schedule. OSU and Minnesota are both going through gauntlets in their schedule and look what happened.
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Madison is cursed. Shouldn't have built the city on top of those ancient Native American burial mounds.
What gets me is that Sparty scraped out an unbelievably ugly 2-point win in that building earlier this year. IIRC, neither team made a field goal in the final seven minutes and Wisconsin missed a ton of free throws.
Swap results in the games in Madison (give us a win and MSU a loss), and we'd be tied with MSU in the standings.
They left the bodies and they only moved the headstones!
Minnesota's not great
But it was to Iowa.
Minnesota had a 16 point lead and they lost by 21? Yikes.
That is unbelievably bad. I haven't been keeping up with the scores aroung the country today...so thanks for pointing this out. Losing by 21 that way is way worse than be dominated from start to finish and losing by 21.
I thought Minnesota was better than this.
Every time I watch Minnesota, I get Amaker-era flashbacks. Another team that never seems to be as good as the sum of its parts.
Tubby Smith is Exhibit A to the argument that coaches' abilities rise and fall just like players' do. His career winning percentage is around .700, so clearly he was a very good coach earlier in his career. But at this point, it seems like he can't get through to his players like he used to. His Minnesota teams always seem sloppy and fold in the face of adversity.
Um, I'm pretty sure you can't really compare the Kentucky brand to the Minnesota one. Not to tough to recruit in Kentucky, it pretty much sales itself. Not so much with the Gophers.
He didn't start his career at Kentucky. He coached Tulsa, then Georgia, and then (after being very successful at both stops) got the UK job. He was once considered one of the hottest coaching names in the country. Now, not so much. I'd argue furthermore that recruiting is the least of his problems - Minnesota has a very talented roster this year, but it doesn't seem to play together. It's probably time for Smith to call it a career.
I was going to make the same point. I liked Tommy Amaker, but his teams seemed to always follow big wins (like Minnesota's against Wisconsin) with deflating losses.
Iowa is playing itself onto the bubble. Their game against Illinois is going to be big for their tournament chances. Their main problem is that they only have one more chance to get a quality road win, and that's against Indiana, so it's very unlikely. They may need to make the Big 10 semis.
The Wisconsin win is actually really bad for us. We really want to avoid getting the 4 seed in the Big 10 tournament, which would likely put us up against Ohio State in the quarters, but now Wisconsin, who holds the tie breaker against us, holds the inside track for the 3 seed and only have one more likely loss (@ MSU).
non conference play will hold them back from anything better than a 4, unless they win the Big Ten tourney. And even then, the loss at home to UVA and the loss to Marquette make it hard to seem them better than a 4.
he is referring to the BIG tourney not the ncaa
I owned this game as a kid. Good times.
I preferred the nes version. I had a ton of codes and it was a good way to burn a snowy Saturday.
Well yeah, actually the handheld one (like most of Tiger's handheld games) was pretty crappy.
The NES was glorious. The only problem was that your thumbs/palms would hurt after awhile from using that unforgiving rectangular controller.
The coin op original...
Great first post.
now all we need is MSU and IU to start losing games by 20+
If big ten teams always lose on the road, why don't we all just play home games!?
winning on the road in this conference is actaully a pretty damn tough thing to do. Gonna be a great B10 tournament in Chicago, and it will be interesting to see how many of these teams can win a couple in the NCAAs.
Is it in Chicago? God that is so much better than Indianapolis. Indiana would be brutal in a basically home game.
They don't play well in Banker's Life aka Conseco aka Market Square Arena isn't the same. The fans might be unbareable, but IU lost to Butler there and they have no special powers over the officials there.
Market Square Arena was a different building.
How many BIG teams are we looking at in terms of making the NCAA? Definiitely Mich, MSU, IU, OSU, Wisco
Bubble: Minn, Iowa, Ill
Any chance at 8?
ESPN Bracketology has 7 BIG teams in...LINK
All 3 of those bubble teams have favorable schedules down the stretch. I think 7 is pretty much a good bet as Minnesota and Illinois have great nonconference profiles that will help them immensely as well.
Suspect the UW style doesn't let him guard the dribble enough and he struggles with constant cutting.
And Minnesota just imploded. I thought Tubby had a stroke by the end.
I can't believe Minny was up 16 and then lost by 21.
Wisconsin only has one more difficult game this year (@Staee). They probably have an easier path to the B1G regular season title than Michigan, although Michigan will play a large role in MSU and Indiana racking up two more Ls each.
For what it's worth, MSU and Indiana both have challenging schedules.
One of them will lose on Tuesday. And we get both at home
And Wisconsin owns the tiebreaker over Indiana. I can't stand the idea of a Bo Ryan-coached team winning a title.
Can somebody please explain to me why we ALWAYS get the opponents "A" game? Why are we always the red-letter, countdown clock, leave it all on the floor, maximum effort, pull out all the stops and unleash the trick play game for everybody???? Football i get but basketball? Not like we've been beating up on people and dominating the league lately.
Staee struggles with a shitty Nebraska team but beats up by about 500. Ohio State mails it in against Wisconsin but beats us at home and pushes us to OT on the road. Purdue cant do shit against anybody until they face us and then they shoot lights out for a half. Penn State is the redefinition of horrible but play as fired up as they have in two years and take us to the limit.
Jesus I would kill to have just one game where the other side looked flat but it NEVER happens. For Michigan everybody is up, up, up.
you want to be champions, you are gonna generally get everyone's best game. That's why it's hard to do.
You have the OSU games flipped. We won at home in OT. As for A games, some of it is very frustrating, but a lot of it has to do with our weak defense.
Nevermind on the OSU games. You meant they beat us in Columbus, clearly. Ah, lazy Sundays with the brain shutoff.
NW and ILL had bad games against us and I wouldn't say Minnesota was on top of their game. Also, our defense is terrible.
I'm referring to facing a team looking "flat". Has anybody EVER seen that against us? I watched the OSU/Wisconsin game and the Buckeye's looked like they didnt give a shit what happened. Against us? They play like their mortal soul's are up for grabs. State? Plays like they're asleep against Nebraska. But put our uniforms in front of them and they play like the reicarnation of the 300.
Just once in my life I'd like to see a game...in ANY sport....where we got less than the other side's maximum effort. I'd like to see a game where our opponent looked "flat". But for the life of me I've never seen it and my guess is I never will.
It does happen...during this academic year alone, to my very untrained eye, Iowa and Illinois (who inexplicably sees Michigan as a rival) came out fairly flat, as did Purdue, in football. I do not recall Iowa coming out guns blazing or Minny at Minny (though they were playing better overall) in basketball.
Feel free to disagree with my recollection about any of these games (I cannot look up the games right now) but Michigan has had its breaks in terms of opponents not bringing their A game--especially in terms of bad teams playing over their heads.
Illinois still hasn't gotten over 1989. They feel that was the best team theyve ever had and we beat them in the Final 4 after they swept us in the regular season.
That's why they hate us so much
We should take it as a compliment. My guess is that during the Ellerbe/Amaker era, our opponents weren't nearly as crazed when they played us, with the exception of MSU.
As for OSU/MSU vs. Michgian its a rivalry. Rivals don't lay down for rivals.
As for getting everyone best shot, I think its pretty clear Michigan established itself as the best team in the conference early on after going 16-0 and may still be the best team in the conference. When that happens, its expected everyone is gonna give you their best shot. We're all crabs in a barrel trying to get to the NCAA tournament and win the B1G along the way.
So what happened in East Lansing. Or are we still on that whole MSU isn't a rival?
MSU vs. OSU - I won't go as far to say that these two schools have a rivarly or bad blood between each other. Both schools play each other pretty hard and the best teams wins just like our first match up this year. I personally have no hate harbored to MSU or their fans but their fans may be bitter over the Buford shot from last year resulting in three way split for the B1G title instead of claiming it out right. Other then that, Sparty is just another conference foe. Not sure if this was the point you were trying to argue though...
I can't imagine anyone would deny that MSU is a huge game for us. The timing of the trip to East Lansing this year was very bad, though, coming at the end of the brutal stretch.
MSU isn't a main rival, no. Not to me, at least. They are not Notre Dame. They are not Ohio.
As far as MSU's "A" game, we are their Ohio. They base their entire season around beating us at something, anything. Ask a sparty and they will tell you that they could tolerate one win seasons every year, as long as that 1W is against blue.
in basketball or hockey than MSU? I'd argue that MSU is definitely the biggest rivalry in any sport not named football, and a thread a week or so ago found that consensus too.
That is fair. I am a huge football fan, more so than basketball and I can't watch a hockey game to save my life. I wrote it from that perspective, rather than from a multi-sport perspective. I still don't consider MSU a major rival when compared to ND and Ohio but I am obviously in the minority. Hell, I hate Duke more than MSU... I guess I just don't feel that they deserve any of my time...
Nate, you're insane.
MSU is firmly a #2 if not a #1b rival. We have incredible history with Ohio State and simply put that entire thing speaks for itself. I don't know if anyone else in sports comes close to the intensity and hatred of our matchups with OSU. But after that you have to look instate, and we have another instate Big Ten school. We have history and bad blood with them as well. It just is what it is. Saying that Notre Dame or anyone else jumps them is silly. They are a big program, a staple in basketball and a real thorn in the side (lately) in football. They have clawed their way into deserving the secondmost level of hate from us IMO.
We're Michigan fergodsakes!
This Is Michigan.
Just looking at effective FG% in these two games, the differences are remarkable in a conference rated #1 on the TeamRankings "Home Power" metric. Ohio State mustered an effective FG% of 40.1%, about 19% less than what the Badgers produced. The Gophers did slightly worse at 39.4%, compared to Iowa's comparatively inspired 54.7%. The numbers bear out how tough and therefore precious a Big Ten road win can be.
You know what's funny?
Even though I'm happy Ohio State got jailsexed by 20, I would not have been overly sad to see them destroy Wisconsin because I'm *still* bitter about last Saturday. Anyone else feel the same?
"You know what's funny"
The term jailsexed is funny. That made me laugh - thanks.
I freaking despise Wisconsin right now
Fell down 21-5 to start the game and finished on a 67-30 run. Incredible.
Iowa is 17-9, and have two key wins at the moment: Wisconsin and Minnesota. Their remaining schedule consists of:
@ Nebraska (W)
Iowa is going to finish 21-10, or 20-11. Didn't Michigan get an 8 seed when they went 21-10?
They play @Michigan, MSU, @OSU, and Illinois each only once.
I think next best draws were:
Northwestern with Indiana, Wisconsin, @MSU, @Nebraska each only once
Wisconsin with @Indiana, Michigan, Purdue, and @NW each only once
Not sure about Iowa. RealtimeRPI had them at #90 going into today's game. They've actually played five (!) teams with an RPI of 299 or worse, so their win total doesn't look that impressive. As of today I think they're an NIT team. To make the tournament I think they need to go 4-1 and have some of teams they've beaten or will have beaten (Wisconsin/Minnesota) get hot as well to make their schedule look better.
Everyone is worn down and vulnerable right now. Besides Indiana and state. Hopefully the wear catches them this week. One will fall Tuesday. Hopefully it's the home team.
Don't we want State to beat IU? Looking at both of their remaining games, it seems to me that MSU has a tougher remaining schedule than IU.
Everyone losses sometimes. I think it should just remind people that even good teams have a bad game. That MSU only meant that UM's bad game can get ugly.
FYI: KenPom ratings of remaining B1G teams: