Ohio Fall Sports Are On
"The Ohio High School Athletic Association announced Monday that it continues to move forward with all sports programs currently planned for fall 2020."
https://www.wlwt.com/article/ohsaa-continues-to-move-forward-with-fall-2020-sports-official-practices-set-to-begin-saturday/33439047
I think literally EVERYONE has ended up doing or saying the exact opposite of their first comment since February.
Good luck bucking the trend Ohio sports...
At the moment Michigan fall sports are on as well. Which would be great if we weren't already shutting down in person schools. It's frustrating how little people are willing to do to get schools open and I can't believe it's not a priority at all.
You can't be serious. If you think that having your kids staying home with you for six months or more on some modified form of lock down is all fun and games, you most likely aren't a parent.
To be fair, between my daughter and I, we've managed to build a small empire in Animal Crossing, or at least as much as the game will allow, and my son is nearly caught up on classic cinema. It hasn't been all bad, but it has had moments. When September comes, I'll be trying to get a 14 and 13 year old to do homework again - virtually, like they have since mid-March - and it will suck again.
That is so cool. Have you visited tarantula island in AC yet? Great way to pay off the a mortgage!
It amazes me that so few people understand that just because you are healthy doesn't mean everyone in the community is. People have diabetes, blood pressure issues, asthma, are dealing with some form of cancer, are over weight, crohns disease, the elderly and countless others are more likely to be adversly affected than the average person. This is why scientists and Dr's are being very cautious. Yeah, I think I will be fine, but if you had a choice of getting sick and hoping your symptons aren't very bad, or just not getting sick, what would you choose?
Data coming in that shows lasting heart damage for those that were infected with COVID-19 for patients that 1) were otherwise healthy and 2) did not require hospitalization during the course of their illness.
Your point stands - you don't want to pass it to those more vulnerable than your average person, but please note that you also don't want it yourself. There is likely lasting damage that persists even in those without severe symptoms.
One study examined the cardiac MRIs of 100 people who had recovered from Covid-19 and compared them to heart images from 100 people who were similar but not infected with the virus. Their average age was 49 and two-thirds of the patients had recovered at home. More than two months later, infected patients were more likely to have troubling cardiac signs than people in the control group: 78 patients showed structural changes to their hearts, 76 had evidence of a biomarker signaling cardiac injury typically found after a heart attack, and 60 had signs of inflammation.
These were relatively young, healthy patients who fell ill in the spring, Valentina Puntmann, who led the MRI study, pointed out in an interview. Many of them had just returned from ski vacations. None of them thought they had anything wrong with their hearts.
Link: https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/27/covid19-concerns-about-lasting-heart-damage/
well it's not really up to them is it? The Governor and the behavior of the people in OH re: masks, SDing, and avoiding indoor gatherings will determine that.
They could delay the start of HS sports until a couple weeks after school starts just to give the schools the best chance of staying in person by avoiding another vecor of xmission like NYS is doing, but w/e
Also, the largest district in the state (Columbus City Schools) just announced fully remote learning through the end of October. Most likely (as with snow days and other emergencies), all of the suburban districts in Columbus will follow suit. Likely Cleveland will as well, though Cincinnati is like its own country down there.
I can't see the OHSAA having more say than that.
Fall sports are probably gonna end up being played in the spring. I can at least see here in Michigan, probably for Ohio too.
A normal comment? You taking your meds?
We will know a good deal more today at 2:30. Whitmer has to make a call, school districts are spending money right now and working around the clock to make modifications to physical spaces to return to school, despite her rhetoric implying heavily that she will eventually order schools closed. (Non-political commentary - Indecision does not sit well with voters, she is at the point where she has to make a call on schools, or there will be unnecessary political fallout for her. Either decision is better than further delayed decisions, politically, as parents and school districts are starting to lose faith that she is in control of the situation.)
Fall sports will follow suit with that decision. If she rolls us back a phase everything will be remote for the semester and fall sports will not happen. If she keeps us in the same phase and schools have an in-person option fall sports will proceed, with modifications.
One of the confusing issues with her phases is that they kind of assume only one "trip" through the phases, she says it can be treated like a "dial" where things are tightened or loosened depending on case counts but they really can't. Take for instance now, cases in Michigan are actually declining (one key factor in the phases is whether cases and hospitalizations are declining) from two weeks ago, but they are still higher than they were when the decision was made to put us into Phase 4. So, do we remain in that phase because we are actually declining from a spike, or do we return to Phase 3 because the conditions are still worse than they were when we went into Phase 4 to begin with? (And I know Sunday was a huge jump, but it was mostly backlog and was actually reported as such, a rare, welcomed development). Frankly, I would ditch the phases if I were her and offer a new framework, she really has not even followed the criteria within them anyway.
Check back after the press-conference today. There will me more answers. About school, about high school sports, and likely about college sports.
Agreed with the indecisiveness. Just make a decision, so everyone can get prepped now. (And hopefully its remote learning, as a decision the other way, will just delay the closure til late fall and everyone will be scrambling to find care, etc...) I feel horrible from what I'm hearing about schools in the South. They are choosing the hard way and will end up closing anyways.
There are so many issues within the decision that it becomes hard to unpack. If I had to guess I think she will roll the state back into Phase 3 simply because all of the issues involved have not been properly distilled yet and remote learning can act as a small bandaid on a huge gunshot wound for a few more minutes. I believe her "all or nothing approach" is a doomed outlook though, I think the real winner is to use available space to bring young children (k-3rd) back together using all physical assets in a given district while sticking to remote learning for those in which it is more likely to provide the necessary building blocks. "Remote school" is not an actual thing for 4-7 year olds who use school for almost exclusively for social/emotional development. Elementary school and secondary school need to be looked at through entirely different lenses.
Anyway, don't want this at all to become a "hot button" post for this thread, I just think later today we will know a lot more about what is going to happen with these issues.
Update - Although Whitmer has often made major announcements the day after her press conferences, her rhetoric today seemed to be much more "hands off" in terms of school and athletics. Called them "local issues" for the districts to decide. My guess is that HS football will be played in Michigan, based on today.
I often have issues with your posts. However, I will give credit when it's due - and your two posts in this subthread have been good (so says me, someone you often don't agree with!). I will agree that making a decision is better than not making a decision. Even if we may think its the wrong one, at least there will be a common baseline for moving along.
I have no stake in what Michigan does, as I no longer live there. I am interested, though, because most of my family still does; so I stay tuned in to what the state is doing.
Also often disagree with you but think you are spot on about starting with younger grades. Good evidence that they are least likely to have significant symptoms, least likely to significantly exacerbate spread and are also most hurt by distance leaning.
If I were in charge I’d say September is k-2. Reassess where we are in late September with hope that a second tranche can come back by mid October - maybe first year of middle school and one additional grade of elementary. Gradually build from there.
I think full online learning, with in person for students that don't have internet or are in an unstable situation. With the decrease in students, classes could be smaller and spread out. And for gods sake- teach outside! Also, teachers that teach in person get more money for the increased risk. Have to dangle a carrot somehow to get some poor sap to teach in person.
My wife is a teacher. She knows tons of teachers. Nearly all of them want to go back to live teaching immediately.
ijonb,
first, the entire time I have looked as your name until right now I thought it was, “iljonb” like maybe you were in IL.
Secondly, I so often disagree with so much you say. Yet here you are with three posts I support. Well done.
not for nothing, ThePonyConquerer has a couple lucid posts tonight as well.
I agree about the indecision but a lot of governors are still sorta punting the issue as well. Here in MA Baker is saying "we want the schools open in the fall but teachers can have the first 2 weeks of the year to figure out the specifics before students actually have to start attending", which feels like a bit of a dodge.
Nobody wants to have sick and possibly dead kids on their watch, and so they keep hedging. I do think the governors need to just come out with something coherent and live with the fallout either way.
Ohio and football is a reflection of SEC country. My family members connected to Pickerington Central, an athletic power, say they are pretty much full speed "ahead". My nephews state they have a variety of academic options-they will have their PhDs in 8-10 years no matter what (if they survive this thing physically). And my SIL, who teaches there, has a variety of teaching scenarios in play as well.
The fact is that this can be pulled off if the adults step up and be responsible adults. The other fact is that too many adults do not seem to be able to meet this challenge. They are going to need a whole lot of luck for this plan to succeed.
All these plans sound great, because they’re in the future. Once they come closer to these dates things will change.
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.
The date you speak of is Saturday. Practices start in 5 days.
Practice began in earnest last week for my nephews-band practice...which, here, is as bad or worse risk as football. The issue of compliance with best practice remains. Far too many "hoax" people remain very inter-active-some purposefully with an agenda. Here in Kansas, my wife encounters this hoax belief even among her medical colleagues.
How can band be worse for the potential spread of COVID than football? Football players contact others on every snap. Is band full contact now?
I LOL'd, because way back in my high school days, I dated a couple gals who were also in marching/concert band and yes, there essentially was some "full contact" going on.
This one time, at band camp...
Beat you by 20 minutes with this iconic quote. See below. Posted at 10:20. Yours 10:40. I wonder how many other people will post? I'm guessing at least three. Classic movie..
You did! I saw it after posting, when I continued to scroll down through the posts. No sense in deleting, though!
Great minds, and all that, right? LOL!!
MMB Bus 4 certainly was.
Spit valves on horns were horrible vectors even in the pre-COVID days.
You ever watch someone drain their brass instrument? It's disgusting, spit just builds up inside those things to where you have a drain valve to let it spill out. They're packed together, blowing with all their might into brass, woodwinds, etc. It is probably on par with football, honestly, unless they keep 6' between end of instrument and next band member.
Until they're not...
50+ kids blowing as hard as they can into their instruments? Not too different than choir
Sounds like the kinky parties I used to attend.
"This one time. At Band camp..."
GLWT
.....Drugs?
.....Antibiotics?
.....Steroids?
Retired teacher here just thinking about what may happen and how to deal with regular old common cold season that will start in October.
It might actually be the "lightest" cold & flu season on record. I read an article recently that the flu season in the southern hemisphere this year has been much weaker than normal due to the covid response. Not sure if the same will happen here, but it's possible.
My daughters Varsity soccer team had its full summer conditioning program with tryouts this weekend. However, no alumni game as they don't want "outsiders" in right now. All AD's from our Conference (NLL) plan to meet Thursday to discuss if we have a season. First game is August 21st, so they need to decide soon. Not looking good, sucks for my senior to miss her final year, a year where she was going to be a captain.
That seems like great news
So I assume they have the testing infrastructure in place to do this?
I'm all for decisions like these if they are being made responsibly.
Not really. They are still waiting on a decision from the governor on sports like football. Cleveland public schools are already out since they are all on-line for the first quarter and indicated that athletics can not move forward while they are in all on-line mode. Same issue here as with the Alabama high school athletic story. The state high school athletic organizations have zero power to make high school sports happen. It’s up to the individual districts. Many (most?) of the state high school athletic associations are not going to declare no sports. That just opens them up for criticism around a decision they have no power to make anyway.
Wait shouldn't there be arguing in this thread?
LOLOL. One of the prominent doctors in that video—Stella Immanuel—operates a medical clinic out of a strip mall next to her church, Firepower Ministries. She obtained her medical education from the stellar medical institution the University of Calabar in Nigeria, and she has some interesting opinions:
"Immanuel, a pediatrician and a religious minister, has a history of making bizarre claims about medical topics and other issues. She has often claimed that gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches.
She alleges alien DNA is currently used in medical treatments, and that scientists are cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious. And, despite appearing in Washington, D.C. to lobby Congress on Monday, she has said that the government is run in part not by humans but by “reptilians” and other aliens.
In sermons posted on YouTube and articles on her website, Immanuel claims that medical issues like endometriosis, cysts, infertility, and impotence are caused by sex with “spirit husbands” and “spirit wives”—a phenomenon Immanuel describes essentially as witches and demons having sex with people in a dreamworld.
“They are responsible for serious gynecological problems,” Immanuel said. “We call them all kinds of names—endometriosis, we call them molar pregnancies, we call them fibroids, we call them cysts, but most of them are evil deposits from the spirit husband,” Immanuel said of the medical issues in a 2013 sermon. “They are responsible for miscarriages, impotence—men that can’t get it up.”
"Frontline Doctors" my ass.
Go fuck yourself with this bullshit.
Wow buddy, you have very impressive critical thinking skills.