ND ranks it's own BK #8 best coach in the country...
Although he might one day prove himself to be one of the 10 best coaches in the country (PUKE) I really can't agree with any delusional grading system that has BK ahead of the vest (as much as I hate Tressel).
I just despise ND.
http://www.irishsportsdaily.com/blogs/coach-ds-blog/2839-nations-best-coaches
Criteria:
- Win-Loss Record
- Bowl Results
- Championships (Conference, National)
- On-Field Performance (Fundamentals, Toughness, Execution, Consistency)
- Consistency (Year after Year)
- My Impression (My opinion on how his team’s play from games I have watched)
- Head to Head (Versus other top programs, against other top coaches)
- I’m more concerned with recent history, but will take into account a coach’s career accomplishments
1. Mack Brown, Texas: UT Record: 128-27 (12 years); Last 5: 58-8; Bowl Record: 8-4 (1 NC)
2. Nick Saban, Alabama: UA Record: 33-8 (3 years); Last 5: 55-12; Bowl Record: 5-3 (2 NC)
3. Urban Meyer, Florida: UF Record: 57-10 (5 years); Bowl Record: 6-1 (2 NC)
4. Frank Beamer, Virginia Tech: VT Record: 187-92-3 (23 years); Last 5: 52-15; Bowl Record: 8-9
5. Chris Petersen, Boise State: BSU Record: 49-4 (4 years); Bowl Record: 2-2
6. Mark Richt, Georgia: UGA Record: 90-27 (9 years); Last 5: 48-17; Bowl Record: 7-2
7. Bob Stoops, Oklahoma: OU Record: 117-28 (11 years); Last 5: 50-17; Bowl Record: 4-6 (1 NC)
8. Brian Kelly, Notre Dame: UC/CMU Record: 53-22 (6 years); Last 5: 49-15; Bowl Record: 2-2
9. Kyle Whittingham, Utah: Utah Record: 47-15 (5 years); Bowl Record: 5-0
10. Gary Patterson, TCU: TCU Record: 85-28 (9 years); Last 5: 53-11; Bowl Record: 5-4
11. Jim Tressel, Ohio State: OSU Record: 94-21 (9 years); Last 5: 54-10; Bowl Record: 5-4 (1 NC)
12. Kirk Ferentz, Iowa: Iowa Record: 81-55 (11 years); Last 5: 39-24; Bowl Record: 5-3
13. Bronco Mendenhall, BYU: BYU Record: 49-15 (5 years); Bowl Record: 3-2
14. June Jones, SMU: SMU/UH Record: 85-57 (11 years); Last 5: 37-27; Bowl Record: 4-2
15. Paul Johnson, Georgia Tech: GT Record: 20-7 (2 years: Last 5: 45-19; Bowl Record: 2-
16. Tommy Tuberville, Texas Tech: AU Record: 85-40 (10 years); Last 5: 47-16; Bowl Record: 6-3
17. Butch Davis, North Carolina: UNC Record: 20-18 (3 years); Last 5: 40-23; Bowl Record: 4-2
18. Houston Nutt, Mississippi: UM Record: 18-8 (2 years); Last 5: 40-23; Bowl Record: 4-5
19. Mike Riley, Oregon State: OSU Record: 64-47 (9 years); Last 5: 41-23; Bowl Record: 5-1
20. Bobby Petrino, Arkansas: UA Record: 13-12 (2 years); Last 5: 45-17; Bowl Record: 3-2
21. Jim Grobe, Wake Forest: WFU Record: 59-51 (9 years); Last 5: 37-26; Bowl Record: 3-1
22. Greg Schiano, Rutgers: RU Record: 55-55 (9 years); Last 5: 43-21; Bowl Record: 4-1
23. Jeff Tedford, California: Cal Record: 67-35 (8 years); Last 5: 42-22; Bowl Record: 5-2
24. Gary Pinkel, Missouri: MU Record: 67-46 (9 years); Last 5: 45-21; Bowl Record: 4-3
25. Randy Edsall, UConn: UC Record: 66-65 (11 years); Last 5: 34-28; Bowl Record: 3-1
ON THE HOT SEAT
RICH RODRIGUEZ, MICHIGAN: It was said prior to last season that Rodriguez always had his teams turned around by “Year 2.” It was this way at West Virginia as the HC and it was this way at Clemson as the OC. It was not so with Michigan last fall. The Wolverines got off to an impressive 4-0 start, with a win over Notre Dame, so there was hope for Big Blue. That hope quickly faded, as Michigan finished the season 1-7, with the only win coming against FCS team Delaware State. The low point was the blowout loss to Illinois (38-13), a team that finished with only three wins on the season. Rodriguez got better play out of his young offense, but the defense was a mess. He is relying on Greg Robinson, one of the game’s better people, to turn around the defense; but so far that has not worked out very well. Michigan returns a ton of talent on offense at all positions, and bring back some solid players up front on defense. They should at least be able to compete for a bowl game this fall, as they are now in “Year 3” of the Rodriguez regime. If they can’t show improvement this fall Rodriguez could be in big, big trouble. Michigan folks will be far less tolerant of some of the “off-the-field” issues if the team isn’t winning.
but all signs indicate that he could be a top 10 coach. he turned GVSU, CMU, and Cinci into really really good teams in a hurry
This list already doesn't make sense to me. Listing top coaches based on total wins, bowls, etc. and you don't have Joe Paterno in the top 25? For shame irishsportsdaily.
edit: I'm lazy but according to Wiki, Record: 394 - 129 - 3. Bowls: 24-11-1. 2 NC. 3 Big Ten Championships. Last 5: 51 - 13
double edit: OK, n/m read more thoroughly and he doesn't have JoePa b/c he doesn't believe he's really coaching anymore saying its more his assistants
THANK YOU. that was the first thing i thought. How do you leave out JoePa? I get the feeling this article was written simply to praise Kelly and criticize Rodriguez.
Any list that doesn't have Saban in first is very wrong. I really don't think any other coaches are close.
First of all, it's apples to oranges. But even if you limit it to the past 5 years, I think you're wrong. Compare their schedules - they don't even play remotely similar slates. Cincinnati would tank against OSU's schedule, and OSU would likely still win 10-12 games every year against a Big Least slate. The only team worth a damn that UC played under BK was Oklahoma, who creamed UC. There's just no way to compare what they've done - UC rarely played any teams of the caliber that OSU played 5-6 times per year.
Not that I think BK is a bad coach. He actually scares me quite a bit with ND's resources. I just don't agree with your claim that BK got more out of his talent than Tressel.
Does OSU drop games they shouldn't? Yeah, of course they do. It happens to all teams (need you, and UM fan, be reminded?). On the other hand, UC isn't far behind WV, PItt, and Rutgers in terms of talent - particularly over the past 5 years. Mark Dantonio didn't leave a bare cupboard at UC, relatively speaking.
I guess I'm just not impressed with anyone coming out of the Big East. With the exception of WVU under RR, they rarely beat anyone with a pulse in OOC competition. I just can't get excited about UC winning 10 games in a conference full of also-rans. Put any single team from the Big Ten into the Big East - excepting possibly Indiana - and they're a major competitor year in and year out. The converse statement just can't be made.
The writer is saying that Kelly overachieved with the limited resources he had around him at CMU and UC and thinks Tressel underachieved with the resources he's had around him. I don't know how I would rank anyone but I agree with his argument.
I think that BK overachieved, sure. I mean, that's pretty damn obvious, and anyone who denies it has their head in the sand. I just don't think there's a comparison to be made with Tressel. That's where I take issue.
I understand what you mean. Kelly would have had a better chance to impress at UC because it was a lowly big east team, where Tressel is at the top of the big ten already and expected to be in the rose bowl before the first game is even played. Tressel can't really overachieve unless he is in the NC game repeatedly.
Really? So Tressel is an underachiever to you. I would have thought ND fan would walk over Charlie Weis bloated corpse to get to Tressel.
Kinda reminds me of...
hey you. Smart guy. Stop using logic. We don't take kindly to your kind around here!
is a very good coach, but not a great coach.
Brown is an insanely good recruiter. With his top classes year-after-year and all those resources, he should have more than 1 NC to be considered at the top of that list.
We're not Big Blue for fuck's sake
It was also a term used for IBM back in the day.
It's just as irritating as people referring to us as the "Wolves." I love Phil Steele's magazine, but he has used that term repeatedly over the last several years.
irritating, I agree, but i don't take too much offense in Steele's case as it strikes me as part of his elaborate shorthand. He crams more words onto one page than can ever be aesthetically pleasing. I feel sorry for his layout guy/girl.
Tressel and Ferentz at #11 and #12 w/coaches like Pattersen, Petersen, Kelly, Whittingham who've won less games and have done that not playing in major conferences. Apparently, if you want to be ranked as a top 10 coach you'd better win multiple MNC's or coach at programs that play weak schedules. This may be the first and last time I defend Jim Tressel but, Chris Petersen has coached 4 years. Given that Boise State was a successful program before Petersen took over and they consistently play a weaker schedule than OSU's how can you choose a four year coach over a guy who's won as many BT championships(and a MNC) as Tressel has?
It's = a contraction of it is
Its = the possessive adjective corresponding to it
Typing from the Eagle's Nest today, Hitler?
Is Kentucky. NOT MICHIGAN!!! I want to fucking slap everyone who calls us "Big Blue". It is a load of horseshit.
To have him behind Stoops or Whittingham or Kelly or Patterson or Richt is asinine. Trying to minimize his record by saying that he gets great players is asinine; Brown, Meyer, and Saban all get great players, too, and nobody holds it against those guys.
Myself, I think Kelly is going to prove pretty quickly that he's right up there, unfortunately. I was really hoping that he was going to go someplace other than ND.
The list does have some glaring omissions, but most of the better names are on paper. I think Tressel gets knocked due to their performance in major bowls.
Kelly makes me very nervous when you consider what he was able to put together at Cincinnati without serious talent. I guess in a couple of years we will find out just how good he is.
Meh. He was able to "put together" some decent teams without serious talent that beat some other decent teams without serious talent. Then he went to bowls against teams with talent and got crushed. Let's see him actually regularly beat elite programs before we hop on the bandwagon.
Maybe Tressels' teams don't pass his "eye test".
This list is wishful thinking. If it were anything else, there would be mention of Rodriguez's last three years at WVU (32-5) as balance. Instead, Rich is judged only on his two years at Michigan. Good luck with that!
Good point. The ranking could be somewhat defensible if BK wasn't on it (and nor were any coaches with less than 5 seasons).
Is Tressel's low ranking despite tremendous success a subtle comment on OSU's B10 schedule?
No. It's just the typical Irish mentality.
The only other NC winners on that list are Brown, Saban (record listed doesn't included MSU), and Meyer making up the top 3 and then Stoops at #7.
... ND should wait a year or two before putting BK on this list. He hasn't coached a single game in a power league (no, the Big East does not count). I have a feeling he is going to find out that winning year in and year out against teams like UofM and USC is not the same as winning against MAC teams.
ND, Brian Kelly still won't be able to coach in a power league.
My bad. I didn't even think of that. But at least he will play more than two good teams a year. Although, ironically, he has taken over at ND when UofM and USC are the weakest they have been in decades. Maybe BK really does have the luck of the Irish.
Mike Riley at 19 on a list of best coaches is a joke.
Edit: Because he should be much, much higher on the list.
I don't have any problem with the comments about Rodriguez. He does need to win this year, or he will be let go. How much he has to win is a matter of opinion, and no one's opinion matters except Brandon's.
As far as the rankings go: whatever.
but they were generally made by other folks so...
Fuck Notre Dame.
Mack Brown is a respectable coach but best in the country? The talent pool in Texas is ridiculous and the majority of those kids wants to go to Texas. Brown is certainly a reason for that, but I don't see "recruiting ability" anywhere on the author's criteria.
Brown has Texas competing for championships on a yearly basis now but, with that roster, they should be.
if you have the state of Texas at your disposal. If you look at there recruiting classes 85% of the kids commit on their Junior Day. I would like to see his recruiting skills if he went back to UNC. Ronald Curry was the best player he coached their.
all the kids he gets are supposed to go there, he doesnt even need to recruit them.
when i first saw this thread, i wondered why the fuck notre dame cared about a burger king being a good coach. i mean chuckie weis was fired and instead gorging himself on KC BBQ.
and i really wanted a burger.