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- I really hope Golson is the starter. I would imagine its easier to teach a QB to get the playcall in on time and take snaps than it is to teach someone how to be a playmaker.
- Rees didn't look improved at all in the game despite talk of him being head and shoulder above the rest. Hendrix seems to lack the instincts for the position despite his tools, although the only thing that can improve that is PT.
- I think the RBs and OL will be very good in 2012, probably the best they've been in years. Eifert should be a beast and they will line him up all over like they did yesterday.
- WRs have a long way to go, right now I would just say they are just serviceable. A playmaking QB like Golson could make them better.
- Not too worried about the defensive front, Te'o didn't play hardly at all, lots of backups out there. The DL could have been outstanding with Lynch, will probably be very good but not great without him.
- Safeties should be solid and everyone is really high on Bennett Jackson at one corner. I was actually encouraged by the play of Lo Wood and J. Atkinson, neither looked great but they weren't as bad as I feared they would be.
- There is new ResLife leadership that overall has been more lenient across the board than the past regime, thus this might be the new standard for punishment.
- I haven't read "Under the Tarnished Dome" but the "findings" from that book were produced from the accounts of disgruntled former players, many of whom were suspended or expelled due to disciplinary reasons. It's hardly gospel.
- ND did go to great lengths to denounce the violations that did take place in the mid to late 90s.
- ND has taken the high road as an academic institution in the standards it holds its football program to (see top graduation rates, overall harsher punishment than most for misconduct, higher academic standards than most of CFB, etc.) ND not suspending Floyd for games in the fall for a violation in March does not mean ND has SEC like standards now.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||mgoreadingcomprehensionfail||
|3 years 31 weeks ago||I would like Michigan's||
I would like Michigan's chances if the game was played in the spring as well. Hoping Kelly can coach 'em up between now and September...he's going to need to with our schedule.
A few thoughts from an ND fan perspective:
Will be interesting to see what Kelly does with the QB positions. I was originally thinking Rees would be the starter and one of Hendrix/Golson would get snaps, and then inserted into the starting lineup once Rees struggled against better competition. If Rees looks like he did yesterday and the last few games last year, I think Kelly has to make Golson or Hendrix the starter, Rees just can't make plays and is a turnover machine, a bad combination.
|3 years 31 weeks ago||Keep in mind also...that's||
Keep in mind also...that's his backup QB (at the time) and his team is up 20 on Mississippi State.
|3 years 31 weeks ago||I'm in full agreement Kelly||
I'm in full agreement Kelly had a meltdown during the USF game, not looking for another coach doing the same to somehow justify it. That's not something I would waste my time doing.
He lost it, I can understand why and point to other coaches who have done the same, but that doesn't justify it.
If Te'o, Floyd, & Eifert left and a bunch of others were transferring because they hate him and what he's doing to the program, then I would be in full agreement with many on this thread. The attrition that has happened is either natural (i.e. playing time or guys just decommitting in the recruiting process) or outside of Kelly's control as far as we know Lynch/Shepard.
|3 years 31 weeks ago||He certainly lost his||
He certainly lost his composure during the South Florida game, which was a mistake on his part and shouldn't happen. He's not the first coach to do that though (see Pelini, Bo) and won't be the last.
He is tough on his players, especially on game day. It works for other coaches like Izzo and Saban and it's worked for Kelly at his previous three stops. Maybe it won't work at ND, time will tell.
Back to your original premise though, the attrition we've seen, in particular Ragone, isn't due to to Kelly losing control of the program. That premise is false and misinformed.
|3 years 31 weeks ago||Not every successful HC is a||
Not every successful HC is a player's coach. I would say if Manti Te'o is returning because of his devotion to the team (which I agree with) rather than a personal allegiance to Kelly, that's still mission accomplished on Kelly's part.
This is a Michigan blog right? Isn't it "the team, the team, the team" not "the coach, the coach, the coach?"
|3 years 31 weeks ago||I enjoy how Michigan fans on||
I enjoy how Michigan fans on this site are frequently mocking ND fans for being myopic, then cite evidence proving they are completely misinformed about what's going on in South Bend.
The reality of the situation is that after Tyler Eifert, who was a Mackey Finalist last year, ND has three young TEs, Ben Koyack, Alex Welch, and Troy Niklas, who were all highly recruited with multiple years of eligibility, competing to be the second TE in the offense.
Seems like a no-brainer for Kelly and his staff to develop one of them, especially with Eifert almost certainly leaving for the NFL next year, rather than bring back Ragone for a 6th year, someone who has suffered multiple severe knee injuries during his career. Seems like a no-brainer to him to play one last year at Kansas with a couple of his friends and the coach who originally recruited him, with a much better shot at PT.
If Kelly was losing the program, would Michael Floyd, Manti Te'o, and Eifert forgo millions in the NFL to return for their senior seasons? Would ND have 6 5th-year seniors returning? This just in...not every player with an extra year of eligibility returns, at programs across the country.
Not saying everything is perfect with ND football, far from it, but to quote Mike Gundy: "Get your facts straight!"
|3 years 32 weeks ago||It depends on what your||
It depends on what your definition of "fantastic" is. If your definition of fantastic is Heisman-worthy and being remembered as a legend at his school/nationally, then I would agree that neither was RGIII, Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, or Vince Young caliber. That's a pretty high bar for fantastic though.
If your definition of fantastic is one of the elite QBs the seasons you played, i.e. you could start for 115+ FBS teams, then both absolutely were fantastic. Quinn btw, did finish fourth in the Heisman in 2005, Weis' first year, I would say he was unequivocably great that year.
I agree they both fell short of the hype, with Quinn's senior season losing the three games you mentioned and Clausen only going 6-6 as a senior. That's why they aren't considered all-time greats and some of that falls on them. A lot of it falls on having a pretty horrible coach, a bad defense, and in Quinn's case his senior year, less talent that teams like Michigan, USC, and LSU.
|3 years 35 weeks ago||ND also just got a commitment||
ND also just got a commitment from QB Malik Zaire from OH, offers include Alabama, Ohio State, Nebraska, and Wisconsin.
|4 years 13 weeks ago||You do realize that with||
You do realize that with Crist only playing for a half and a drive in his second career start, ND outgained Michigan last year? I'm not saying Crist is Andrew Luck, but I would think he's someone you would be at least a little worried about, especially with your defense.
|4 years 13 weeks ago||It's not the HC||
It's not the HC responsibility to determine if a player is concussed or not, its the training staff's. Do you really think Kelly put Crist back agains the medical staff's recommendation?
Also, Crist was never diagnosed wit a concussion.
|4 years 18 weeks ago||Rees had the major benefit of||
Rees had the major benefit of a running game and a great defense when he played, Kelly essentially put the burden of the offense on Crist's shoulders, in retrospect something he was not ready for as a first year starter.
Crist has a stronger arm, is a better athlete, and is much bigger than Rees. At their best, Crist enables Kelly to expand his offense more so than Rees. Kelly really did not attack down the field much with Rees. Not sure about Rees facing stronger competition either. Crist played against the two best teams on the schedule last year, Stanford (he really struggled) and Michigan State (he shredded them much of the game, throwing for almost 400 yards).
Long term, Hendrix and Golson are better fits for the offense than Rees and have more eligibility left. I'm not counting Tommy out though, because he's definitely a gamer/grinder/insert cliche.
|4 years 18 weeks ago||No it's not a given that a||
No it's not a given that a player will get injured during the course of a season. If he does get knocked out for a period of time, it very well may be during a game ND can weather the storm like Purdue or Wake Forest, instead of Michigan or USC. Also, I was assuming that given this is a Michigan blog, the rating was more about the quality of the team when Michigan plays them, not the last game of the season. I would say its highly unlikely that he's injured before Michigan.
Not many teams have experienced depth period, rather they just have depth. ND is thin at RB but there are options if they miss Wood, although certainly not ideal. At WR ND has John Goodman and Robby Toma, neither can replace Floyd, but they can get the job done if Jones and Riddick get knocked out respectively. ND is actually very deep at TE, Mike Ragone was one of the top TEs in the country coming out of HS and has a lot of experience blocking (and a little in the pass game) as a 5th year senior. Alex Welch really impressed in the spring as a RS Frosh (so much so that Kelly said he would implement some 3 TE sets). Ben Koyack was one of the top TEs in the country this past year and could contribute in the passing game if needed.
|4 years 18 weeks ago||Floyd's previous issues were||
Floyd's previous issues were for underage drinking, he doesn't have multiple DUIs. Wasn't it Lloyd Carr that once asked a reporter (paraphrasing) if he ever had a beer in college before 21?
Also, what punishment did Stonum receive for his first DUI and also what discipline did he receive when he violated his probation?
|4 years 18 weeks ago||Overall, I thought it was||
Overall, I thought it was a pretty fair article, but from an ND perspective, I had some issues with it.
QB: Not sure why you feel Rees is a better fit for Kelly's offense. Kelly wants a pass-first QB who can push the ball down the field and also has the ability to be a threat running the zone-read option. Rees has the weakest arm among the QBs and is not a runner at all. He may end up being the best QB but he's not the best fit.
I would assume Crist is the starter with Rees as the main backup right now and Kelly said he will probably use either Hendrix or Golson as a change of pace QB given their running ability.
RB: If Wood lives up to any of the hype and can stay healthy ND will be much better than a 2/5 at RB. He was better than that when he was the starter at the end of the year against USC and Miami. His biggest issues last year were holding onto the football and inexperience in the system, two things that should improve with time. Depth is rightly noted as a major concern. However, if Wood went down I don't think Kelly would hesitate to move Riddick back to RB, especially if Gray can't carry the load (he hasn't proven he can so far) and the frosh aren’t ready.
WR: Duval Kamara was not a starter last year and he wasn't injured, he only played after TJ Jones and Riddick went down with injuries. He played in 3 games and filled in well with 3 TDs but then missed the bowl game due to academic issues.
OL: Watt is contending with 5th year senior Andrew Nuss for the starting job at LG (Watt is expected to win), Robinson will be the starter at RG.
DL: The biggest issue is Cwynar holding up (he’s been injured this offseason and its probably affected his ability to lift) given that he’s undersized as a 3-4 NG (at 6-4 285).
LB: Soph Danny Spond is squarely in the mix to start at the OLB spot opposite Fleming. Spond is a good athlete who can play well in space. Kendall Moore is contending for a backup ILB spot (Fox can play there too), he was ND’s defensive scout team player of the year as a frosh. 5 star early enrollee Ishaq Williams will probably see time on pass rushing downs on the outside.
DB: ND’s biggest concern is the 3rd corner spot. Lo Wood played ST last year as a frosh and Bennett Jackson moved from WR to CB in the spring, where he impressed (very fast player). Other than that we have two true frosh in Jalen Brown and Josh Atkinson. Jamoris Slaughter is batting Motta to start at FS. Slaughter was the starter to open the season but was banged up for most of the year opening the door for Motta.
|4 years 31 weeks ago||Your first point depends on||
Your first point depends on your definition of relevant.
Aside from ND's tradition and history + academics and community that draws recruits, ND's recruiting track record over the last 10 years is a little more nuanced:
Davie was able to recruit because the success Holtz had was in the not too distant past. He also had some excellent recruiters on his staff like Urban Meyer, Greg Mattison, Charlie Strong (for a couple years), and Steve Addazio. Davie wasn't a bad recruiter himself.
Willingham had one great class (2003) off the heals of an 8-0 start (plus the hype that came along with it, see SI cover). His recruiting quickly fell off, the 2004 class was far and away the worst in ND's history and the 2005 class he was putting together wasn't much better before he got canned. Willingham was an awful recruiter and didn't work very hard at it and the results bear that out.
Weis went to BCS bowls his first two years which he was able to sell, plus he was personally a very good recruiter and had a lot of hype off his success with the Patriots. His recruiting wasn't flawless though, in multiple classes he left major holes like the DL in 2006-07, DB in 2009-10, and not taking a QB in 2009. These misses really hurt him (and Kelly last year). A few guys on his staff could recruit but he also had a lot of dead weight that really hurt (see Tenuta, John).
Kelly had the hype of his previous success at Cincy, he's a very good recruiter and has a great recruiting staff, he also has a better recruiting plan than Weis ever did and understands how to manage a program, and lastly beating USC and Miami to end the year really helped.
|4 years 31 weeks ago||http://nd.edu/assets/files/no||
Maybe you should read up on the subject and the investigation into what actually happened rather than solely blame one person for a tragic accident.
|4 years 32 weeks ago||If the star avg is a factor||
If the star avg is a factor in your rankings then it seems foolish to factor in kickers, punters, and long snappers b/c they are going to negatively skew the average downwards. A team shouldn't be "punished" for trying to improve its special teams by taking one of these players.
|4 years 32 weeks ago||Yes, and more teams are doing||
Yes, and more teams are doing this rather than look for a walkon or another scholarship player to do it. USC took one last year and so did Ohio State (Bryce Haynes, ND recruited him as well). Unfortunately, ND will have two long snappers on scholarship Daly's freshman year, which definitely is excessive.
|4 years 32 weeks ago||It isn't just some anonymous||
It isn't just some anonymous 3rd string QB being compared to Robinson, its our frosh early enrollee Everett Golson who was heavily recruited. There's a tendency to provide comparisons to established players for younger frosh and recruits who have yet to see game action so the less informed viewer can have a better understanding of what they're watching.
Fwiw, Golson is a passer first and runner second. He is a much more accomplished passer than Robinson out of HS and is a good athlete but not the freak Denard is.
|4 years 33 weeks ago||BK made a mistake and||
BK made a mistake and apologized for his comment, he point blank shouldn't have said it. However, it wasn't a racist comment or a justification for violence. If you don't think there isn't a problem with violence in this country in the inner cities and people looking the other way then you are naive. That's what he was speaking to, not a justification for his players to go commit violent crime.
|4 years 33 weeks ago||A few things: There is||
A few things:
|4 years 33 weeks ago||He wasn't making excuses for||
He wasn't making excuses for violence by his players, he was explaining why they were hesitant to cooperate with the police investigation.
|4 years 33 weeks ago||At CMU, Kelly said regarding||
At CMU, Kelly said regarding his players involved in a police investigation (he hadn't yet coached a game): “For example, a number of them were African Americans that had been in that culture of violence and they’re taught to look away.” Not politically correct in today's society but you are out of touch with reality if you think he said something inaccurate. He wasn't generalizing for all AAs but speaking specifically about his players.
Also, please show me evidence of Kelly's drinking problem and his open support for abortion? Or are you just pulling this out of your ass?
|4 years 37 weeks ago||Odenigbo||
I would say ND is on equal or better footing with OSU and Stanford for Odenigbo, he loved his junior day visit. He has yet to make his visit to Stanford however.
|4 years 42 weeks ago||I have a couple||
I have a couple problems with these rankings:
1. You should just exclude ST players from the average ratings b/c even if they are the best K/P/LS in the country they will be no higher than a 3 star. You shouldn't have your rating hurt b/c you decided to give a scholarship to a ST player.
2. Figure out the actual positions these players are slated to play at their school. It will give a more accurate picture of how a school did recruiting various positions. All the recruiting services project the players based on a 4-3 defensive scheme when more and more schools are using 3-4 schemes (ND in particular in these rankings).
A team could have a ton of talent in one class but miss at a crucial need position like QB or or along the OL and in reality the recruiting class isn't as good because it doesn't address a team's needs.
|4 years 42 weeks ago||From an ND fan perspective,||
From an ND fan perspective, Corwin obviously was a great recruiter. He bears most of the responsibility among the assistant coaches for putting together ND's 2008 recruiting class (ranked #2 overall by Rivals) during the 2007 season, the year we went 3-9.
As a defensive coordinator he showed promise in 2007 as he got a largely inexperienced unit that was devoid of talent at several positions to play hard and keep games competitive early until they wore down by being on the field so much.
After his promising 2007, Weis decided to bring in John Tenuta, which everyone was excited about at the time, but ended up being Weis' worst single decision as coach. After making the transition to a 3-4, ND went to a hybrid (3-4 under look maybe the best description) in 2008. The defense played decently considering the transition and youth but wasn't a great unit.
2009 was when shit hit the fan. Weis turned playcalling duties over to Tenuta and his blitz-happy schemes killed us. The talent brought in back in 2008 that was recruited to play the 3-4 was now shoehorned into the 4-3.
Corwin's DB coaching was pretty good his first two years but everything fell apart in 2009. The DBs frankly didn't look like they were coached at all (watch the missed tackles, poor angles, and lack of recognition during the 2009 USC-ND game). Corwin bears responsibility for this but clearly he and Tenuta weren't on the same page. The difference between the DB play last year under Corwin and this year under Chuck Martin (former GVSU HC) is night and day.
Overall, I would definitely take a chance again on Corwin as a position coach b/c of a recruiting abilities (I also think he can motivate) but only if he's on the same page with the coordinator. The lack of chemistry on the coaching staff really killed Weis and it was apparent between Corwin and Tenuta.
|4 years 42 weeks ago||You bring up a good point.||
You bring up a good point. No one seems to mention this in the outrage about the lack of black HCs in CFB but look at the large gap in graduation rates nationally in college football between blacks and whites. It's pretty difficult to be a "graduate assistant" if you don't have a degree in the first place.
How many college coaches don't have degrees? Probably none or close to it. It's not the white man trying to hold down the black man, its a problem thats already started before most AAs step foot on a college campus (see national eduction/testing gap). Then when you factor in that most universities don't really give a crap whether their players graduate or not you have a major difference in the racial makeup of players versus coaches. Too bad most hack sports columnists don't actually investigate the causes of this issue.
|4 years 44 weeks ago||None other than former||
None other than former Wolverine Mike Elston. Kelly is putting together one heck of a class this year. Only thing really missing right now is a big-time RB (maybe Savon Huggins but he's probably going to Rutgers), although Cam McDaniel is a nice prospect.
|5 years 6 weeks ago||Carrico was moved to OL this||
Carrico was moved to OL this year but was a full-time DE last year and that's what he's been recruited to play by the Irish coaching staff and will start at next summer (although there is a good possiblity he will move especially if ND does not land another OL this class).