Im Worried about ND's 5 Wide sets...

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is anyone else as worried as I am about facing Notre Dame's 5 wide sets? I know its a frosh QB but our secondary vulnerabilities against this set are glaring.

DGDestroys

September 5th, 2010 at 12:20 PM ^

Vulnerabilities against this set ARE* glaring. Just kiddin around!

But seriously. I imagine that the coaching staff will review the tape this week, and find a way to defend it. We probably won't lock it down as much as we would like, but it shouldn't concern you. We'll find a way to make the D serviceable, have faith in the staff.

marlon

September 5th, 2010 at 4:57 PM ^

This sort of comment always irks me.  Can one not enjoy the victory while also thinking about the next game or some other issue?  And, when, exactly, is it time to stop enjoying the victory?  Two hours after the win?  Two days?  Should this board just drool over Denard's performance until next Friday before talking about the game that's to be played the following afternoon?

Rico616

September 5th, 2010 at 9:26 PM ^

Why worry? I'm not going to be naive and think the teams going to win every game even if I'd like them to. I'm a huge Michigan fan but I'm not going to stress and lose sleep, thats the coach's job. I'll discuss the team and my views but to "worry"? No. I'll do my part in supporting the team wether im @ Michigan Stadium or watching it at Duffy's. Either way I'm going buck wild and supporting the team.

InterWebZ-Troll

September 5th, 2010 at 12:37 PM ^

The Michigan D stopped a potential 21 points this week. They don't have to play perfect. We seen them cause a few errors by the QB. They got in his head so next week should be no different. We know all QB's make mistakes and get frustrated.  Thats when our D will step up even more. We will force teams to play from behind. The big test will be against a veteran QB with wide receivers, but for now lets savior the flavor of a giant win. 

maizedandconfused

September 5th, 2010 at 12:37 PM ^

I think a lot of those 5 wide sets are designed to open up underneath routes in man coverage and go downtown in zone. So you have to ask yourself this. When we drop into cover three, will our underneath coverage of Kovacs/LB/Nickel back be able to cover long enough for Roh, Martin and RVB to beat their blockers and put pressure on..

I think a lot of this Irish game will come down to how dirty Crist's jersey is at halftime.

Super dirty: were probably in the drivers seat

Squeaky clean: were probably in trouble, or Denard has run for another 117 in the first half.

KBLOW

September 5th, 2010 at 12:44 PM ^

I assume the coaches kept a number of blitz packages in the bag and we will work on some specifics for the type of Offense that ND runs. Yet, even then, ND's better QB and receivers will be a real test for our D.

LB

September 5th, 2010 at 12:49 PM ^

that it took 5 players to block Martin and Roh. If our secondary does an adequate job, it will only be a matter of time before the QB proves he is a freshman. I would love to see him scrambling around with Martin in hot pursuit. I think I saw Roh come around the back side of a couple of plays going in the opposite direction and nearly blow them up, too. There is no substitute for speed.

I will pray to the secondary gods. I am almost ready to get excited about our young defense.

Maize N Lute

September 5th, 2010 at 12:48 PM ^

gotta win the turnover battle next week.  We did this week, need to do so again next week.  ND will score more than 10 but I fully expect our offense to get atleast 30 again.

kb

September 5th, 2010 at 12:48 PM ^

is probably more worried about figuring out a way to stop Denard, and figuring out a way to score enough to keep up with him.

Maize and Blue…

September 5th, 2010 at 1:04 PM ^

but they only passed for 205 and a TD last week and were far from an offensive juggernaut.  I was more concerned with Denard's ability to pass against another D.  Luckily that concern was squashed rather quickly.

Tater

September 5th, 2010 at 1:05 PM ^

I expect it to be another great game this Saturday.  The inexperienced Crist and his recievers against Michigan's inexperienced secondary is only one of many intriguing matchups.  I am, though, a lot more confident about what may happen than I was on Friday.   I think yesterday's game proves that Michigan is "back," and that predictions of gloom, doom, and a post-season coaching search may have been somewhat premature. 

ND looked a little better than I thought they would, but Michigan looked better than almost everyone who follows football thought they would.  I think that a more-experienced Crist could cause severe problems for Michigan, but I don't see ND's current level of production to be too worrisome. 

I think "bend but don't break" could be a mantra by the end of the year.  I think the defense will yield a lot of yards to ND, but I don't see ND sustaining enough drives to beat Michigan.  Besides, if the game plan is similar to this week's version, ND isn't going to have a lot of clock time with the ball.  It certainly looks like RR wants to "compress" games by keeping the clock running and giving the defense less "opportunities" to give up big plays.

If Denard can keep the offense on the field long enough to make ND's defense tired, keep Michigan's defense fresh, and keep ND's offense from finding continuity, it's the maize and blue eyes that will be smiling on Saturday. 

My early guess: Michigan 24, ND 14.

NateVolk

September 5th, 2010 at 1:12 PM ^

I told myself no Notre Dame until tomorrow, but after yesterday I want more.

 

Generally speaking if we are winning the turnover battle or even staying even, we are a very tough assignment for anyone on our schedule on any field.  

I have a feeling we are going to see great energy from this team all year, even if we don't always see exactly what we'd like to see. We are young and hungry and this is fresh and fun to watch. I hope Michigan fans who choose to dislike the new direction, unchoose that  because they are missing a fun process.

ToughD

September 5th, 2010 at 1:14 PM ^

Still, I don't consider him a veteran player.  This is his first year being the first team QB and a new offense to boot.  I think the D-Line can cause a lot of problems for him and get in his head.  The D-Line has to put consistent pressure on him to give the CBs some help.

Remember, ND is going through a very similar transition as we had two years ago.

Blue in Yarmouth

September 5th, 2010 at 4:37 PM ^

ND is stacked from top to bottom on both Off. and Def. I wouldn't say they are in all that similar a situation to the one we found ourselves in. Sure they changed offensive systems, but I don't think it was nearly as drastic a shift as the one we made. couple that with the talent they had at the time of the coaching change and I just don't agree with you.

Njia

September 5th, 2010 at 1:24 PM ^

I'm waiting to see Brian's UFR on the D, but it seemed from listening (when I was in the car) and watching back at home that our defense on the perimeter was not good. Borderline terrible, and we gave up a couple of long passes and nearly gave up a TD, (a better QB/receiver combo makes that play).

In my mind, we need at least 6 more wins to make a bowl game. We should get two against Bowling Green and UMass. So, should we lose to ND, we need four wins in conference play. Considering how Illinois looked yesterday through its first half against Missouri, they'll be tougher than we'd hoped for, (Scheelhaase looked really good for a freshman). Indiana played very well yesterday, and MSU was on the money after they got the cobwebs cleared. There will be no gimmes after UMass.

Top to bottom, the B10/12 will be tough this season. Maybe better than the SEC overall.

PhillipFulmersPants

September 5th, 2010 at 2:25 PM ^

when you play a 12 game schedule.

We gave up 343 yards yesterday net. Granted, UConn dropped a couple that would make that number bigger, but also factor in we had no sacks, and only a handful of TFLs, only one of which I remember being large loss.  That 343 is a decent number for this defense (some 60-70 yards under our average last year, if I remember correctly). Only number that really matters is the 10 points.  Let's reserve the "borderline terrible" when it's more applicable.  UConn has some players.

Njia

September 5th, 2010 at 9:19 PM ^

Of course, 6 wins makes you "bowl eligible". Seven wins, and you're practically guaranteed. I suspect that there will be many "bowl eligible" teams in the B10 this year. There appears to be a high degree of parity, outside of OSU, Iowa and Wisconin.

Also, six wins doesn't feel much like progress after going 5-7 last year, (although if we lose to ND, but win 3 conference games, then it's certainly an improvement over last year). If we lose to ND on Saturday but still go 7-5, that likely puts us about mid-pack in the conference with 4 wins, and while not great, after the last two seasons, I'll take it.

bryemye

September 5th, 2010 at 1:23 PM ^

Crist has been in the program for a few years but the program has changed and I think it's insane to think that BK has got his whole offense in the way Weis had his last year. I would be more concerned if this game were in a few weeks rather than now. That said, I don't think ND really opened up the ole' playbook much vs. Purdue. I guess we'll see.

I think the things that could kill us vs. ND will be turnovers and penalties, both of which we managed to stay away from yesterday. If our offense can play something like it did yesterday with long drives, those ND fans are going to put a ton of pressure on Crist to deliver and every time they punt it's going to just ramp right up. That's a fan base that's really pretty close to as antsy as this one and they will be putting a ton of weight on next week's game.

I expect the ND fans to boo their own team next week at some point in the game.

blueblueblue

September 5th, 2010 at 1:25 PM ^

I think ND is going to come in more prepared, scheme-wise at least, for Denard's ground game than UConn was (obviously). Not that it will matter a lot, but it will matter some. Therefore, I think Denard will put the ball in the air more. Stonum and Hemingway will have to have big games; the O-line will also have to have another big game in order to temper whatever ND has planned for Denard's ground game. Denard will have to balance # of passes and runs more. Unless, well, he is again unstoppable.

As for the D, having fast guys who swarm to the ball is our strength. JT Floyd or Rogers will not be able to cover M Floyd. Also, unlike UConn, their receivers will not help us with dropped passes. We will have to do what we do best - swarm, fly around, use our collective speed to keep their offense contained - just enough.

bleuadams

September 5th, 2010 at 1:41 PM ^

brian kelly is a passing game genius.  he's the mike martz of college football.  he's got elite level talent at his disposal for the first time (albiet, they're not 'his' guys).  and we've got some serious secondary issues.

i really liked what i saw from robinson's revised defensive scheme.  it almost looked like a prevent sort of secondary that still managed to be stout against the run.  there was almost always help over the top for our sub-par corners. 

but randy edsall is an f-ing moron.  the one drive where he had success, at the end of the 2nd quarter, he opened it up, converted on those two third and longs, and scored a td.  then he started running again in the second half.  so its hard to evaluate exactly how good we were back there.

brian kelly is not randy edsall.  he is going to go after our secondary, hard.  in particular, he is probably going to go after james rogers.  we're probably going to be using A LOT of our 3-2-6 nickel package (with mike jones in there...see below).  that shooould help...but...

THE REAL KEY against notre dame is going to be putting more pressure on the qb.  we didn't put enough on uconn's qb.  craig roh's a stud, but one man can only do so much.  i think that we need to use some more effective blitz schemes...and there are a lot of guys that can be sent out of the nickel package - ezeh, mouton, jones, johnson/t. gordon, kovacs.

I also think that we should swap JIBREEL BLACK in there for Van Bergen.  He looked A LOT like bg out there.  i saw some real pass rushing potential.  i think we should put him in there opposite roh to help out.

nickel package:

NT: Martin
DT: Van Bergen/Black
DE: Roh
MLB: Ezeh
WLB: Mouton
NB: Jones
Hyb: Johnson/T. Gordon
SS: Kovacs
FS: C. Gordon
CB: Floyd
CB: Rogers

grand river fi…

September 5th, 2010 at 2:30 PM ^

THE REAL KEY against notre dame is going to be putting more pressure on the qb.

I've seen us lose more games to ND due to turnovers, penalties, miss field goals and generally error strewn play then I'd care to recount.  The key for me is our D-Line getting consistent pressure and forcing some mistakes out of them.  We couldn't cover Floyd last year, and I expect us to give up a lot of yards, hopefully a couple of key turnovers can keep them out of the endzone.

Our offense looked explosive today, and I wouldn't be surprised to see ND getting more aggressive (UConn always had safeties deep) to stop DRob and getting burned.  Another penalty/turnover free game and I'll feel very confident. 

bleuadams

September 5th, 2010 at 5:09 PM ^

well...turnovers, penalties, special teams and general execution are 'key' in any game, aren't they?

against brian kelly's notre dame, we can try all we want, but we just don't have the personnel in the secondary to cover those recievers.  we absolutely MUST generate more of a pass rush.  against UConn, if we weren't blitzing, it was just roh chasing the qb from one side of the pocket to the other.  we desperately need someone to close off that other end.  as far as defensive linemen are concerned, i think that the answer is JIBREEL BLACK...and then also some better blitz packages.

and rich rods offense is designed to take what the defense gives it.  its almost impossible to shut down d-rob's run and shut down ALL of the downfield routes.  for the most part, uconn chose to shut down the downfield routes, so drob had a great day running.  if nd tries to shut down drob's running game, he'll hopefully (and probably) be able to have a big day throwing.

kb

September 5th, 2010 at 1:43 PM ^

ND is going to put some points on the board next week.  I didn't watch much of the game, but from the box score they didn't pass much more than we did this week, but they were efficient in doing so. They'll probably pass more against us, especially if they can't get the running game going. They still only put up 23 on Purdue, which isn't great.  I think the 3-3-5 set will help out a lot against ND's passing attack next week.  I saw many examples in the UCONN game where their QB was confused by our D.  For example, in the game I remember on a third down (3rd and 5) we had a DB playing 10 yard off the WR (at which point I'm thinking "not this crap again") - the QB saw this and planned to throw to him to get the first down, but as the ball was snapped James Rogers stepped in to cover him from the middle and made a play on him to force the incompletion and I could see that Frazier wasn't expecting this..  

The ND defense looked pretty darn slow (heck, Marve had a 23 yrd TD run), so we're going to put up some points too.

Rockne

September 5th, 2010 at 9:55 PM ^

ftr, small sample sizes can only tell you so much, especially with relatively infrequent events like WRs fumbling at the goal line.  Also, context matters as well, the final scoreboard isn't totally indicative of how well or poorly a team played.

You probably should weigh things like they only scored 23 points against Purdue in their first game in a new offense accordingly, especially if you want to be taken seriously around here.

blueblueblue

September 5th, 2010 at 10:03 PM ^

Are you replying to my comment or to the whole conversation? I understand small sample sizes and all. My point is that any UM fan should know that you cannot pretend like turnovers don't happen. But I don't understand the rest of your statement. Its as if you had a lot to say and just wanted to dump it here - I think you are imputing several statements to my brief reply in which I make just one point. Other than the turnover issue, I have no opinion on the game between ND and Purdue. I really could not care less. 

Rockne

September 6th, 2010 at 4:31 AM ^

Yes, I was replying to your comment.  The first poster made an inane comment that ND's offense isn't anything to worry about because they only put up 23 points against Purdue.  RKGs responded that the final score isn't indicative of how well ND's offense played, they were one fumble away from being up 27-3 with over a quarter to play.

You responded that turnovers matter and that you can't ignore them, a point RKG's never made, he was just trying to provide context to the original poster's idiotic comment.  If one game's box score is totally predictive of how good a team/unit is then ND's defense should have been a hell of a lot better after shutting out Nevada (the 6th ranked scoring offense) in their first game in 2009 (and we all know how that turned out.)

BlueTimesTwo

September 5th, 2010 at 2:24 PM ^

Going 5-wide also limits the protection for the QB.  Hopefully we can get some sacks and force some throws to offset the increased pressure on our secondary.  Crist has the tools, but he still lacks game experience.  Most of ND's big plays seemed to be the result of Purdue's poor tackling rather than outstanding passing.

Sac Fly

September 5th, 2010 at 2:50 PM ^

... 5 wide means no RB for protection. Id say that our D line did very well against uconns O-line, and they have arguably one of the best units in the country. Imagine what were going to do to notre dames offensive line. You don't have to be afraid, and if you still are just think about how bad their defense is.

Rockne

September 5th, 2010 at 5:24 PM ^

You must not have watched the game.  ND's defense is much different than last year.  They only allowed 10 points to Purdue's offense, which does have talent and a much better QB than Frazer at UConn.  Also, ND was without two starters most of the game (Fleming maybe our best defensive player and FS Jamoris Slaughter).  Both should be back next week.  Not sure if you heard but Jon Tenuta is not our D coordinator next week, Denard will definitely present problems and is a major cause for concern for every team on Michigan's schedule but we will have a competent gameplan unlike last year.

Sac Fly

September 5th, 2010 at 5:56 PM ^

... and it's a strech to say purdue's offense has more talent. They were without ralph bolden, and people havent seemed to figure out that robert marve sucks. No one remembers that before he got kicked out of school he played like crap, and got blown out in the QB competition the next year. He's not good now and he wasn't good at miami. They could have the worst offense in the big ten.