Michigan State Snowflakes: The Officiating
MOD EDIT: Pinning this with the other Snowflake Threads - LSA
Didn't see this posted, but I would assume there is plenty to say about the officiating (or lack thereof).
Personal Gripes:
Inconsistent calling of Defensive Pass Interference (What was a PI against Michigan was never called against MSU)
Missed drop that was called a completion on 3rd down prolonging their drive in 4th quarter and leading to clinching TD
October 31st, 2020 at 4:00 PM ^
Officials were bad but Don Brown was worse. At least a ten point swing given to MSU in the fourth. Shouldn’t have mattered though.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:19 PM ^
Brown's defense against a VERY average QB was AWFUL!!!! Plus, he didn't get ONE SINGLE SACK??? Please....
Where's Mattison when you need him?
Oh, that's right...
October 31st, 2020 at 4:01 PM ^
Terrible job, by throwing those early flags (most unwarranted) they put our D on their heels which we never recovered from.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:01 PM ^
Improved I think because both sides got fucked instead of Michigan exclusively getting fucked
- MSU had 2 catches on their last drive that were not catches and were not reviewed
- Ronnie Bell's catch before a TD was not a catch and it was not reviewed
- MSU's blindside blocks were pathetically weak calls
- Inconsistent PI all day (call everything on Michigan the first half and then swallow the whistle the rest of the game)
- You can't award a timeout after the defense jumps offsides and causes a lineman to jump
Any one of these calls would cause OSU fans to break down in tears at the idea of conspiracy against them, but this is just another day at the office for Michigan
October 31st, 2020 at 5:23 PM ^
Disagree on Bell's catch. He had already completed the catch even if he did lose control on the way to the ground. The MSU 3rd down pass was way worse. That should have been buzzed down immediately.
October 31st, 2020 at 5:34 PM ^
After Bell's catch against Wisconsin last year that was overturned, I don't trust that he'll ever get the benefit of a review
November 1st, 2020 at 10:06 AM ^
Disagree about OSU fans. Got to be honest.
there is much less whining on their board even in losses (when you can find them) than there is here. Outside of the Clemson game (they were hosed), they don’t blame the zebras. We do.
November 1st, 2020 at 1:30 PM ^
Me thinks thou dost project too much.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:02 PM ^
I agree with what you posted, I'm sure all of us do. The calls were huge. That said, we'd still be up against it to win this game, the Spartans really played inspired ball. I tip my hat to them; I was shocked at how well they played, especially with recent poor recruiting classes. If Dantonio left the cupboard bare, yikes! It ain't over yet...
October 31st, 2020 at 4:05 PM ^
Oh, for sure! I wasn't saying Officiating was the only issue - just a contributing piece.
However, those other issues are the purview of the other Snowflake threads.
Unfortunately.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:16 PM ^
Our DBs really hurt us--not have Ambry was a killer. Stae's QB was slow and just lofted the balls out there, and their receivers just ran under them. Don Brown can just leave--his defense was total shit.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:03 PM ^
In a word, sucked!
October 31st, 2020 at 4:58 PM ^
Michigan and their coaching or the officials?
October 31st, 2020 at 6:06 PM ^
I'm going to assume the answer to that is yes. I listened to it on the radio and what was conveyed to me over the broadcast was: how in the fuck do we not have anyone that can cover average WR's? How embarrassing to lose this game.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:04 PM ^
They were as bad as harbaugh
October 31st, 2020 at 4:05 PM ^
Officials were truly awful if only because there were at least 3 reviewable catches they just didn't review.
If the officials called games that tightly 10 years ago, MSU is giving up 200 penalty yards a game
November 1st, 2020 at 12:28 PM ^
Should have called it flag day there were so many penalties called. Also need to recruit some good running backs which we seem to lack.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:13 PM ^
We lost because we couldn't stop stae when we had to. Bad calls on both sides.
October 31st, 2020 at 6:58 PM ^
Yes. Yes we did. We stopped them early on 3rd down on their last drive. The most important one of the day. And they didn't review the fucking play. WHAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING REVIEW.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:15 PM ^
The officiating was poor, but not the reason for the loss.
There was an MSU punt where one of the shield guys literally grabbed the Michigan guy around the head and threw him to the ground with a ref staring at it with no call. It’s not like it was hidden in the trenches. Whatever. The blame is still on the coaches for this one.
November 1st, 2020 at 1:33 PM ^
Not the “only” reason, but Michigan likely wins with fair officiating. The clinching touchdown drive should have ended on their own 30. Their second scoring drive was extended by multiple questionable penalties on Michigan. Only 1 offensive holding call all day, which I rather doubt against Paye and Hutch, on a day we really needed the help to get off the field.
November 2nd, 2020 at 4:25 PM ^
Actually, the Reed non-reviewed 'catch' was a 3rd and 3 from the MSU 15. IF that 'catch' was ruled incomplete, it's 4th down with MSU at their 15 leading 20-17.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:21 PM ^
The refs were awful, inconsistent, and for sure played a role in the loss. But, their role was much smaller than whatever the fuck Brown and Gattis were doing. The old adage “standing out in left field with a catchers mitt on” comes to mind.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:25 PM ^
Might as well pin this one temporarily as well. It might save some extraneous thread creation.
Actually, no, it will not, but we can try.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:26 PM ^
I’m just gonna do a Jim harbaugh impression for this thread.
I think our guys fought hard, the loss is on me. We have to get back into our coaching room and figure what’s wrong and go from there. Something something something finest hour
October 31st, 2020 at 4:31 PM ^
You'd rather have him say the players suck? Worked for Mike Leach so far
October 31st, 2020 at 4:34 PM ^
Ehh I just hate coach speak. I mean what can be said at this point.
October 31st, 2020 at 6:34 PM ^
Is Mike Leach available?
October 31st, 2020 at 4:35 PM ^
The officials weren't good today, but we were even worse.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:35 PM ^
Officiating was atrocious. MSU came out with more of the beneficial calls but the fact this Michigan team needed those calls to even stay in it bothers me more than anything and it pains me to think a guy in Dwumfour, helped a Rutgers line get more pressures than our Michigan d-line makes me 100% sure now that some coaching needs to change. There's no excuse.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:38 PM ^
It definitely sucks for the DB's to be aggressive when they have to worry about any refs throwing a flag, no matter what side of the field.
It was amaizing, though, that as the game went on and there were multiple mooo u errors, the refs decided to even it out and started to call it "even".
October 31st, 2020 at 4:43 PM ^
When do we recalculate the score to show that Michigan actually won? is that a sunday or monday thing?
October 31st, 2020 at 4:44 PM ^
Officiating was not the problem today. We just suck. Accept it but we need to fix it. Step 1 fire harbaugh on Monday please for the love of god. The game against Ohio states gonna be a blood bath. At least if you fire him you let the nation know we’re in a coaching search to attract a big candidate. Hire anyone I don’t care who. Ughhh I’m so fucking furious fuck sparty fuck Valenti fuck!
October 31st, 2020 at 5:50 PM ^
Definitely agree with the we suck sentiment- but the officials definitely had a hand in deciding this game.
Momentum after the missed FG was shifting - we had them in 3rd and long - and they were gifted a completion.
The air just went out of the D right after that (which should go to coaching but that is another snowflake thread).
November 1st, 2020 at 1:09 AM ^
"The air just went out of the D right after that (which should go to coaching but that is another snowflake thread)."
Disagree. The D never had "air" at any point during this game. Awful performance against a mediocre team on your home turf. Embarrassing, really.
October 31st, 2020 at 6:10 PM ^
Would you care if we hire Dantonio?
October 31st, 2020 at 7:31 PM ^
I would stop being a Michigan football fan if we hire Dantonio.
October 31st, 2020 at 7:41 PM ^
After today, what's keeping you holding on?
October 31st, 2020 at 7:42 PM ^
Inertia.
October 31st, 2020 at 4:47 PM ^
It wasn’t good. But it didn’t cost us the game
October 31st, 2020 at 4:59 PM ^
I hate this thread because it’s going to tempt Brian into making a film study that shows Michigan won this game like he did in 2015.
October 31st, 2020 at 5:05 PM ^
What the fuck does Don Brown tell the DBs? 'Hold and grab the receivers on every play until they call PI 6 times then try to play defense.'
That man is an idiot. We have no talent i. The defensive backfield and the staff refuses to play zone.
OSU will 48-56 points in the first half of the game. The final should be about 83-13.
This program is like an over inbred dog...too stupid to know how stupid and inept it is. Fire fucking Harbaugh and get a real coach who has never been at Michigan. Dan Mullen would be good.
October 31st, 2020 at 5:21 PM ^
Why would Mullen come to Michigan? At Florida you just have to beat Georgia and you're at like an 80% chance to make the playoffs. At Michigan you have to go undefeated and beat OSU just to win your DIVISION
October 31st, 2020 at 6:13 PM ^
Don Brown is not an idiot. Neither is Zordich, but isn't he the one that coaches the DB's? I'm flummoxed as to why Rutgers corners can cover their WR's but we can't.
October 31st, 2020 at 6:32 PM ^
It helped that Rutgers got an actual pass rush
Not since OSU 2018 have I seen our d-line get as stonewalled as they did today
Embarrassing
November 1st, 2020 at 3:48 PM ^
Did they truly get stoned? Or was MSU OL holding on a TON of plays & the officials never flagged it?
November 1st, 2020 at 8:07 AM ^
Vincent Gray is not a D1 corner.
October 31st, 2020 at 5:07 PM ^
This was bad; Michigan should've won despite it.
October 31st, 2020 at 5:09 PM ^
The bad call on an apparent drop was as much on Harbaugh and his coaches as it was the refs. He has to be willing to throw the flag on game changing plays. One more reason to stack on top of thousands of others that he is not deserving to be retained when his contract is up.