Is this Michigan football team similar to the 2002 NC OSU team with Clarett?

Submitted by ldevon1 on October 26th, 2021 at 9:37 AM

Maurice Clarett 11 games 222 att, 1237 yds with a 5.6 per carry av. 16 TD's

Lydell Ross 14 games 166 att, 619 yds 3.7 per carry

Craig Krenzel 148 comp, 249 att, 59.4 pct, 2110 yds 12TD's  7 int's

Defense was ranked #2 in total defense giving up only 13.1 pts per game. 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/ohio-state/2002.html#all_team

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2002-team-defense.html

NotADuck

October 26th, 2021 at 10:09 AM ^

It feels like this Michigan rushing attack is unprecedented.  2 running backs on pace for over 1000 yards and nearly 20 touchdowns each.  Has that ever happened in the history of college football?  Not including those teams from WW2 era and before, back when teams ran the ball 90 percent of the time.

Even if it were true, the game has changed a lot in 19 years.  Some things that worked back then wouldn't fly nowadays.  I can't imagine a team winning a NC with a starting QB who threw only 12 TDs and 7 picks in a season.  That's just impossible to do today.

CityOfKlompton

October 26th, 2021 at 10:25 AM ^

I don't want to take anything away from our guys because they are having a fantastic season, and what they are doing is impressive. However, it is not unprecedented. Many teams in the modern era have had two 1,000+ yard rushers in the same season. Georgia did it in 2017 with Nick Chubb and Sony Michel.

EDIT: 2017, not 2018. Though, they also had two 1,000+ yard rushers in 2018.

Newton Gimmick

October 26th, 2021 at 12:58 PM ^

Going to be very, very hard to get both Corum and Haskins to 20 TD with some of the defenses on the horizon.  Both have 10 right now.

One pair I'll mention: 1997 Nebraska had Ahman Green with 1877 yds / 22 TD and Scott Frost (not a RB, I know) with 1095 yds / 19 TD.  But they also cheated against Missouri so some of those overtime yards should not have counted.

Teeba

October 26th, 2021 at 10:42 AM ^

I can imagine Georgia doing that. They’re giving up less than 7 points per game. Pair that with a good running game and special teams, and you can win a championship with a game manager at QB. 
Georgia’s QB may be a lot better than that. I don’t know. The first thing I think of for them is that dominating defense.

stephenrjking

October 26th, 2021 at 10:44 AM ^

This is where feelings get in the way. We see our team, it's good, we like it, we're excited. That's great.

But this is hardly unprecedented. 2005 USC had Lendale White, who rushed for 1302 yards and scored 24 TDs. But he wasn't the star; Reggie Bush was the star. Bush rushed for 1740 yards at 8.7 a pop, scoring "only" 16 TDs (both had an additional 2 through the air, Bush also added a punt return TD). Plus they had Matt Leinart throwing for 3800 yards.

Others have mentioned Georgia, which has had multiple teams with multiple thousand yard rushers--Nick Chubb and Sonny Michel weren't that long ago. Eddie Lacy and TJ Yeldon both bested 1000 yards for Alabama in 2012. It's notable, but it's not unprecedented. 

oriental andrew

October 26th, 2021 at 10:54 AM ^

One of my favorite 2-RB attacks to watch was 2007 Arkansas with Darren McFadden and Felix Jones. I had to look up the numbers:

  • Darren McFadden, Jr.: 1,830 yards, 5.6 YPC, 16 Rushing TD, 1 Receiving TD, Doak Walker Award, All-American RB, 1st round pick (4)
  • Felix Jones, Jr.: 1,162 yards, 8.6 YPC, 11 Rushing TD, 2 kickoff return TD, All-American KR, Doak Walker Semifinalist, 1st round pick (22)

 

1VaBlue1

October 26th, 2021 at 11:10 AM ^

The whole '1000 yds' standard is a shell of what it used to be.  It's still a great landmark, but players have three more games to get there than they used to have.  It used to be a 9 game season, then 10 games.  Now it's 12 regular season and bowl game.  It's easier to hit 1000 yards through 13 games than it is through 9 or 10 games.

jhayes1189

October 26th, 2021 at 11:27 AM ^

Just looked at the stats for the best rushing team in the B1G that I recall in modern times football. 2003 Minnesota had Lawrence Maroney and Marion Barber both go over 1000, finishing with 17 and 10 tds, but a third back had 570 yards and 11 tds (maybe a short yardage guy). They also had a pretty mobile QB. Remember that team probably should have beat us in their dome when they ran for 450 on us which was a pretty decent run defense all year. We had some memorable trickery with a 35 yard catch and run TD caught by John Navarre, and of course some Braylon magic. But that team I believe eclipsed what we are doing rushing wise and went 10-3 at Minnesota, easily could have 11-2 if John Navarre doesn’t score on a catch and run. 

TrueBlue2003

October 26th, 2021 at 12:53 PM ^

In 2007 Darren McFadden had 1800+ yards and 17 touchdowns and Felix Jones had 1100+ and 11 TDs. Our guys won't come close to that yardage. And they were close to that in 2006 (1600+ and 1100+, respectively).

There have been a lot of great RB tandems like this.  Even this year, Texas A&M has a guy with more yards than Corum (Spiller) and another guy with more yards than Haskins (Achane).  They each only have 5 TDs though to the 10 that each of the Michigan guys have.

Bohannon

October 26th, 2021 at 11:03 AM ^

By accounts, he's turned his life around. From Wikipedia: 

Since his release, Clarett has become a celebrated public speaker across the country by speaking candidly about his previous struggles and successful recovery. Additionally, Clarett founded a successful behavioral health agency in both Youngstown and Columbus. He also co-hosts Business and Biceps, a top-rated business podcast.

Dunder

October 26th, 2021 at 9:42 AM ^

Based on the egregious holding that OSU team got away with on multiple, key, Clarett runs vs UM, have to say no. UM might be the mirror opposite of that team, however, as all current evidence suggests holding Hutchinson is legal in the BiG rulebook. 

All snark, intended.

BuckeyeChuck

October 26th, 2021 at 12:01 PM ^

Yes and no.

Michigan's running backs are more explosive than 2002 OSU's were, but I would have taken OSU's offensive line. Michigan has the special teams play to match OSU's special teams (which was, of course, a high priority to Tressel).

OSU's defense was better, based on being well-rounded at all 11 spots. Michigan's defense certainly has its assets, but there are a few areas that need a bit more improvement (and have shown signs of that improvement, such as DT).

OSU's 2002 team was not a great team...it was a good team that had a great season. When that season concluded and I looked back at the 10 prior Buckeye seasons (1993-2002), I would have ranked the 2002 team as about the 5th best Buckeye team in those 10 seasons. Sometimes the breaks go your way, sometimes they go against you. That year, all the breaks went their way.

Imagine Michigan's 2005 team (The Year of Infinite Pain [before Infinite Pain was truly realized]). That team had about 8 games that could have gone either way. Depending on how the breaks fell, the 2005 team could legitimately have been either 4-8 or 12-0 or anywhere in between. Randomness landed them at 7-5.

If Michigan's 2005 team had all the breaks go its way and finished 12-0...that would have been comparable to OSU's 2002 season.

saveferris

October 26th, 2021 at 3:53 PM ^

Argument could be made that OSU wasn't even the best team in the conference that season.  They were conference co-champs with Iowa and Iowa was winning games by much higher margins.  Iowa came to Ann Arbor and crushed Michigan by 23 points.  If they hadn't lost to Iowa State early in the season, they may have wound up ranked 2nd to OSU's 3rd in the BCS rankings.

If the B1G had a championship game between Iowa and OSU in 2002, it's a toss-up in my mind as to who would've won.

azee2890

October 26th, 2021 at 9:48 AM ^

A better question. Does that team win a NC with college football today? When was the last time a team won with a elite defense and elite rushing attack and a pedestrian passing attack? 2015 Alabama? Even Coker threw for 21 TDs that year. Hopeful that this is the year (might be Georgia tbh) but CFB has not been trending that way. 

Perkis-Size Me

October 26th, 2021 at 10:27 AM ^

Not in today's game, they're not. They might go win an NY6 bowl depending on who they're matched up with, but it has become abundantly clear that if you want to win a national championship in today's college game, you need a game-changing QB and an elite passing game to go along with it. A running game and great defense certainly help, but they are not what win you those games anymore.

Think about who the last few national title winning QBs have been. Burrow, Lawrence, Mac Jones, DeShaun Watson, Tua. All game-changers at the position for their respective teams, and guys who won their teams those games. Not just prevented them from losing. The days of guys like AJ McCarron being tasked with simply not screwing things up and handing the ball off to stud RBs are over. At least as far as if your goal is to win it all. 

In today's game, offense sells tickets and wins championships. Even the best defenses are giving up 30-40 points a game when they get matched up against the best offenses. 

 

jhayes1189

October 26th, 2021 at 11:38 AM ^

Yeah I recall them mudslinging their way through the season, something like a 12-6 victory at Purdue and they beat us (3 loss outback bowl champs) 13-9 I believe and we had the ball in red zone on the last play of the game with a chance to win. 
 

Then they got kind of lucky in the NC game when the stellar Miami back (can’t recall his name) bent his knee backwards in an all time “dear God!” injury caught on TV camera. Then I believe Miami also a controversial PI call in the last seconds that gave OSU a first down on like the 1 yard line or something for the go ahead TD in the final seconds. 

stephenrjking

October 26th, 2021 at 12:00 PM ^

The score undersells what a miracle the Purdue win was; it was the "holy Buckeye" call by Musberger when they were going for it on 4th down and Krenzel nailed a TD Bomb from midfield. We played them ultra-close and got a TD wiped out by a technically defensible but morally dubious OPI call on Braylon Edwards. 

The call against Miami was in OT, on an incomplete pass on fourth down that would have ended the game. It was not a great call, and could not have been more pivotal. 

Except for 95 Nebraska and a Saban Bama team or two, national champions have to gut out close games. There is often luck involved. But that OSU team gutted out a *lot* of close games and was *really* lucky.

It wasn't a fake title. But they needed to roll sixes a number of times to make it. 

jhayes1189

October 26th, 2021 at 10:31 PM ^

I remember Braylon’s OPI well. I was a pissed off 13 year old that moment
 

also yes I recall now watching and that PI being on 4tb down which gave OSU a fresh set of downs, and the call was BS. I also recall when the game ended an OSU Oline went and patted a Miami defender on the head as he was on his knees in disbelief. It was like the OSU player was saying “sorry we had to steal that one from you brother” 

Also, add Miami over Nebraska 2001 and USC over OU 2004 to the list of National Title blowouts. 

Nickel

October 26th, 2021 at 9:49 AM ^

Stranger things have happened, but I doubt it.

If you really do think this Michigan team compares with a national title team however I'm happy to take the other side of that bet. Straight up.

Watching From Afar

October 26th, 2021 at 9:52 AM ^

You left out Michael Jenkins who had over 1,000 yards receiving. An important piece that we don't seem to have at the moment (whether that's on the QB, WRs, or play calling is up to you).