The title says it all
This class will be small, but like the 2014 class has a chance to be sneaky good even without the presence of a top 5 guy like Peppers.
Whew. Now he'll be good. Thank God.
The Hoke bump...
More seriously, as I wrote on the day he accepted he and Shane will probably end up across the board 4 stars but the variance in excitment level for one versus the other is almost wholly dependent on one being a 5 star early and one being a 3 star early.
On another serious note, I wonder sometimes if our 3 stars (pre accepting an offer) get their ranking inflated somewhat by the end of the process over the years because if we or about 12-13 other schools are the one they eventually go to... they usually get some sort of bump just out of the theory "well blue blood program XYZ wants them so we must be under ranking them."
I definitely prefer "The Brady Bump"
Isn't it requisite now for someone to take the image below and turn it into Brady Hoke, Mattison, Nussmeier and 6 of our favorite recruits who have received the "Brady Bump"?
I love this response! Bravo!
I'll bet some internet dollars that Malzone will pretty much be a 4* across the board when his senior season is done.
Nah, go Dogecoin or don't go at all.
The Michigan difference
Oh, cool, now we can like him.
With all respect to the OP, I don't need any more stars from any of the recruiting services to like Malzone as a member of this recruiting class. He's proven to me that he loves Michigan, leads his team with class and poise and once he's into the fold with the program, he'll continue to develop. This additional star is just icing on the cake, but he's gonna be what he is with or without it.
You damned hipster.
the self-righteousness or the faith in player development. If love for Michigan positively affected the ability of a player, MGoBlog would be full of NFL players.
While I agree that the extra star doesn't make a better player it certainly makes him a better sell to potential target recruits.
"Hey 5 star can't miss WR we have an across the board 4* QB who will be throwing to you"
sounds a lot better than
"Hey 5 star can't miss WR we have some guy who most of the sites haven't heard of but we think is really good throwing to you"
when its being pitched by a coach.
He must have excelled at a QB camp between the time of his committment and today... Or maybe he had his first game of his Senior season in the last couple days and shined. Did he grow 3 inches and gain 20 pounds?
Or maybe they took a closer look at his film. Lotta recruits out there man, and not a lot of recruiting analysts looking at them. There's not the time or people to look at film on 1000 kids prior to their senior year. Take ESPN for instance, they have Malzone as a generic NR three star. Which is basically their way of saying, he's got some major offers, but we haven't really taken the time to look deeply at his tape. So sometimes, when a kid commits to a big school you go, hey, maybe we should take a closer look at that film. And boom, a generic 3-star becomes a 4-star.
Not everything is a conspiracy.
The Michigan Difference
Yeah, right. All the recruiting analysts get together and adjust stars hourly. I once saw a guy commit to Michigan in the morning as a 5-star and he became a -4-star by 7:00 p.m.
No minute by minute updates? WTF?
This coaching staff just can't develop their recruits.
Magnus updates his rankings every 30 minutes... he is like that guy in Lost who has to press the button every X minutes of the world ends. The rest of these recruiting peeps are just lazy!
Speaking of which....ESPN was the best last year, so who are we liking this year? I just need to keep up on what services are the ones to like each year.
While rankings are certainly not god, I love it when our guys get recognition. It has a few huge benefits:
-1) Recruits DO look at the rankings, and seeing that Michigan is pulling great players makes them more likely to take a serious look at us.
-2) With stars/rankings come invitations to camps and events, which allows the players to recruit other guys of similar talent. It also gives us a snapshot of how they look against good competition.
-3) Related to #1, I think that recruits give a little extra oomph of motivation to raise their own rankings, which makes them work harder. Obviously they should already have good work ethics, but having more motivation is never bad.
-4) It's more fun to look at rankings and their changes than do bar review study (that's personal to me).
As far as #2 is concerned has that actually worked out at all for Michigan the last few years? I've always heard that, and I've been to a lot of the camps across the country but I've never seen any of the kids pitching another commit hard, not have I seen any if those targets actually be swayed by a Mich commit. Maybe Derrick Green at The Opening a few years back, but that's been about it. The last few years our class has been wrapped up by the time camp season rolls around.
Rivals really liked him from the camp circuit so it was likely he would be bumped up the next ranking update, Michigan commitment or not.
Hoke wanted Malzone before he was cool and mainstream.
I bet Hoke only offered Malzone once he got an insider tip that he would get his 4th star.
so he can make decisions. I doubt he even gets reimbursed. It's important to get all those insider tips.
I think you mean 2015 class. It's not as bad as I thought it would be with our recent additions but we really need the season to start and get some wins and get Damien Harris back.
If stars do indeed mean something (and as we have seen in some MGoStudies throughout the years, they tend to be a OK indicator), then the 2015 class is so far on track to be a pretty darn talented one as it is at 7 verbal commitments, 5 of whom are now 4-star rated and on a list that will undoubtedly grow as the year marches on. Good news indeed.
that Andrew David is a 2-star or 3-star kicker. I don't think kickers get rated higher very frequently so if you exclude the kicker, 5 of Michigan's 6 recruits are 4-star.
Many of the players who look like good possiblities to commit are 4 star. I know recruiting rankings are far from perfect but this is shaping up to be one of the best classes in a decade.
Here are the average stars by Rivals by year:
2015 - 3.57
2014 - 3.44
2013 - 3.63
2012 - 3.57
2011 - 3.25
2010 - 3.19
2009 - 3.59
2008 - 3.67
2007 - 3.40
2006 - 3.63
2005 - 3.48
2004 - 3.59
2003 - 3.82
2002 - 3.55
So despite the gloom around here at times, there has not been any drop off in recruiting averages. The only low years are the 2011 split year that obviously was not going to be good and the 2010 year when I'm sure coaches were saying Michigan was going to end up on probation.
What hurt was the attrition as has been pointed out before.
Right now Runyan is the one guy really "dragging" (again folks, I am using quotes) the overall rank down - I saw on one site he was somewhere in the 500s and 59th at his position or something like that. That said, legacy, bloodlines, drink.
And David is a top tier K. I think its safe to say that 4 of 5 non-K are 4 stars...though even Runyan is a 4 on Scout.
Rivals ranking process.
1. Read MGoBlog
2. Rank player per MGoBlog expert opinion
Godamn it Phil Coke.
I'm watching it too. DAMMIT all to heck!
now a walkoff balk. What a choke job.
Our closer giving up 2 in the bottom of the 9th was the beginning of the end though. Miggy and Ausmus getting tossed didn't help.
There is a TV in the lobby of the office. I saw they put in Coke and I walked away,
You are kidding me about the walk-off-balk, right? That didn't happen.
[Edit - five seconds of googling shows that yes, we gave up a walk-off balk, but it wasn't Coke who did it. Nice going, Al.]
God damn DD for not replacing him!
that awful loss today by the Tigers, and there you go, having to mention Phil Coke.
Can the Tigers just send him packing already??!
To be fair, though, that loss was on several pitchers today. Only Chamberlain and Krol pitched effectively today, and Detroit wasted several chances to score more.
This class can certainly be something special, especially with the potential of getting Harris back, and hopefully holding on to Crawford !!
Stars are a pretty good indicator or else it would be a coincidence that Alabama, LSU, and FSU are winning national championships and not Eastern Michigan.
All of those schools you mentioned have good coaching. So that means Michigan could have had good coaching TWICE.
No, I will never let the Les Miles botches go.
So you think Nick Saban could win national championships at Eastern Michigan? Come on. Talent level matters and the teams with more 5 star players are usually better off. Coaching matters as well.
That's not what he's saying. He's saying you need both. Alabama does, we're definitely questionable.
Michigan State is good against decent teams like Ohio State and Stanford. . Stanford was overrated a year ago. We all saw what happened when Michigan State's 11-1 three stars took on Alabama's 9-3 five stars. I believe the score was 49-7.
So? at this point they are ahead of us. I'd rather UM be in the 4 game playoff and go get blistered in the NC game like ND or as you perceive MSU. Rather than sitting in 8th place... looking up at our top 2 rivals playing for BT championships.
MSU de-panted UM last year and so would have "overrated" Stanford. We could not even hang with mediocre KSU. MSU outmauled a very physical Stanford team that dominated Oregon defensively. Both those teams are built in a way Hoke wants, and instead we are playing patty cakes with UConn and Akron. Also MSU went out west on California turf and beat a West Coast team, something UM stunk at even in its best years. Give credit where it is due - three 11 win seasons in 4 years, we'd die for that. They were a few stupid PI calls away from a NC game appearance.
As you say Stanford is a pretty physical team. No match for MSU physically. It was only after the NFL draft that I seriously considered the PED theory. With Bullough being suspended and the concerted effort by MSU and Bullough to keep the reason under wraps, perhaps the NFL people knew something? It's beyond belief that a conference championship and Rose Bowl champion team would have 1 player drafted. Even more so when you consider the physicality and dominance on defense. Isaiah Lewis, Denicos Allen, Bullough, Fowler, and Fonoti were all draftable.
Steve Lattimer told me everyone at Staee is clean. Seems legit.
Trae Waynes their 2 star CB and Calhoun their 3 star DE are both projected as 1st rounders in 2015 mock drafts IF they leave early. In theory both could come back for 2 more years - that's serious (young) talent. One of their safeties Drummond is getting talk as a late 1st or 2nd rounder. So that is 3 players in the 1st 2 rounds who were not seniors along with Dennard with a 1st round pick this year. So that is four players on that 2013 defense that are projected 1st/2nd rounders out of 11. Marcus Rush doesnt have the NFL DE height but will probably be like Schofield, a 4th round type you take as a backup first/eventual starter role.
They had a few guys who were "college stars" but not the protoypical NFL athleticism/height - hence why they were 3/4 stars out of HS not 5 stars. Bullough and Allen from the LB crew off the top of my head. Their one returning LB Taiwan Jones is a NFL body but doesnt have the same production as Allen or Bullough - on paper he goes 3rd round next year. So with Rush and Jones that is 6 of the 11 starters being NFL picks inside the 4th round. With 3 others being "college guys but not NFL guys" - Bullough, Denicos Allen, Isaih Lewis. That's every single player on their defense but the two DTs. And one of those DTs was a 6th year senior - so that helps a college defense playing guards who are 19-20 years olds.
But bigger picture outside of Bama and LSU and maybe a school or two outside of Florida I don't know many defenses that had 3 1st round draft choices on it - and potentially 4.
Miles after Carr and RR.
Well I am of the belief that Miles was only willing to come here as insurance in case he lost that big game and the LSU regents wanted him out. And the second time around I think he leveraged us to get a raise but with no true intention to coach here. So the botch as you say, may not have been the case.
On line 2 for you.
Now that he got the 4* star this post will probably get more reply's then the original hello post.
In the Mal-zone!
Highly ranked class? "Awesome. Greatest class ever"
Lower ranked class? "Sneaky good. Underrated. Off the radar."
Just like weight gains and losses, all recruiting classes are good too