[LOCKED] Michigan will wear Oxford patch at B1G Title Game
https://twitter.com/umichfootball/status/1466559424332374016?s=21
Very nice gesture
EDIT - I took out some of the more inflammatory portions of the thread, and we are going to freeze it here - LSA
Broken Brilliance
December 2nd, 2021 at 7:10 PM ^
Really pops nicely on the white jersey. Tate is proud.
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Code-7
December 2nd, 2021 at 7:11 PM ^
That is fantastic
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redwings8831
December 2nd, 2021 at 7:12 PM ^
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Mgoscottie
December 2nd, 2021 at 7:17 PM ^
I’m struggling after losing someone I know recently. I wish people would find the will to make sacrifices that would limit school shootings from happening. I honestly think you could cut back on this violence without any major policy changes just by changing the culture through deep conversation and reflection.
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B-Nut-GoBlue
December 2nd, 2021 at 7:42 PM ^
Well stated. It's really hard to comprehend this world right now. Having a 2 year old, I'm beginning to gain anxiety more and more, month after month, with the shit I know and expect him to have to deal with with down the road.
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Berger04
December 2nd, 2021 at 7:54 PM ^
I have two teenage daughter....It never gets easier. As they age, new worries arise. The best we can do as parents is communicate, educate and love our children so they are brought up properly.
So sad that this is a reoccurring tragedy students and parents have to worry about. How many more of these terrible events do we as a society have to put up with? Stop kicking the can down the road and come up with a solution. I can think of a few.
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oriental andrew
December 2nd, 2021 at 8:01 PM ^
Really hit home when my daughter (now in high school) came home from elementary school one time to tell us she had an active shooter drill that day.
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Berger04
December 2nd, 2021 at 8:05 PM ^
Wow, a long way from tornado and fire drills.
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UMxWolverines
December 2nd, 2021 at 10:37 PM ^
It's really disheartening. I graduated high school in 2012 and while everyone knew about Columbine we didnt even start kindergarten until the fall of that year, and it was something everyone considered one of those things so messed up it wouldnt be repeated like 9/11.
Since Sandy Hook happened it seems like there's been so many copy cat shootings. I would have my head on a swivel all the time if I were in high school now. Kids should not have to feel that way.
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Bluesince89
December 2nd, 2021 at 7:50 PM ^
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1835173950
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Gameboy
December 2nd, 2021 at 7:52 PM ^
Yup, this is a problem that almost every other country has solved...
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Matte Kudasai
December 2nd, 2021 at 8:02 PM ^
"I honestly think you could cut back on this violence without any major policy changes just by changing the culture through deep conversation and reflection."
Seriously?
This isn't going away.
Not by conversation, reflection or pray or any other method.
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Mgoscottie
December 2nd, 2021 at 8:19 PM ^
To be clear, I'd love to see policy changes. But I also think there's a severe amount of damaged individuals who aren't able to see themselves and part of our culture is to avoid challenging some people who are like that. This case is an obvious example, but there are many who could use the reflection that don't take opportunities for it.
And I agree it's not going away, just hoping that we prevent as many as possible.
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njvictor
December 2nd, 2021 at 8:29 PM ^
Gun culture is so far gone in the US that I'm not sure "deep conversation and reflection" is possible. I'm not sure what the solution is, but we desperately need these tragic events to stop because children and innocent people don't deserve to even have the risk of these events on their conscious
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Qmatic
December 2nd, 2021 at 9:29 PM ^
I’m a mental health worker in a high school and today was probably the hardest day of my career. We had a false threat through social media. A school of nearly 1500 and by the end of day we had 700. So many people went home. So many scared. One of my football players knew Tate. Couple that with the immense mental health issues that intensified since the pandemic.
There is a lot of fear, a lot of anxiety, and most of all a loss of compassion.
Tell someone a genuine compliment every day. Say thanks to everyone you are thankful for. Put your phone down and actually listen. We all can do so much that doesn’t cost a dime. But we have to do it together.
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DairyQueen
December 2nd, 2021 at 9:38 PM ^
Guns are certainly part of the problem (licensing, responsible ownership, safety/training, etc.)
But it's good to remember that this country is simply a very, very, deeply violent country as a whole.
Healthcare is a good example (pre-Covid to avoid recent controversey)--as I used to do research at the U, is a deeply violent system that perpetuates a great amount of harm (against the Hippocratic oath), for one reason: profit. And it leads to MILLIONS of years of quality life lost, for the 1/3 of a billion US citizens.
A LOT of people died of fentanyl, A LOT. And A LOT of money was made off of fentanyl WELL PAST when the data was in on how dangerous it was. What the pharma companies paid in fines was a pittance, and they knew well in advance they could get away with it. Kill one person, you're a murderer, kill 100,000 per year, you're a wall-street favorite.
America is simply a very hyper-individualistic, narcissistic, punitive, vengeful, and dog-eat-dog, and not-my-problem-but-your-problem society (and what's funny is it's a deeply UNHAPPY society, paradoxically--or not, based on research--all those freedoms don't actually make you happier)
I always told non-Americans, it's not that the "guns" are so dangerous, it's that we are a me-first, win-at-all-costs, profits-before-people, dog-eat-dog society, and the guns are simply one of the outlets. Wall-street, healthcare (when you have it), fast-food, news-media, corporations, tech-companies, pollution, LACK of healthcare (it goes BOTH ways, we pay the MOST $$ for the WORST outcomes), education (incredible student-debt/no jobs/medicating), we harm, destroy, and systematically undermine eachother and our qualities of life, as a staple of american life.
Guns? Yeah, they're one of the many outlets that we use (and nothing like what a "gun" was during the 2nd Amendment passing in, oh, 1791, lol), but we are a deeply murderous society that goes out and commits atrocities on one another every single day, whether you work in an office, hospital, insurance company, or fast-food joint.
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Wendyk5
December 2nd, 2021 at 10:43 PM ^
This is so accurate. If we ever embraced "the common good" in our country -- and I do believe we have in the past -- those days are now long gone, for a lot of reasons.
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jsquigg
December 2nd, 2021 at 10:19 PM ^
You had me up until "without any major policy changes." We value our freedom to have access to the worst choices over the common good and the value of life.
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Michigan Arrogance
December 2nd, 2021 at 7:31 PM ^
how many schools are closed this week b/c it's not safe to attend school in this country apparently?
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Team 101
December 2nd, 2021 at 7:33 PM ^
Ours is closed - tomorrow will be the fourth day this year
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redwings8831
December 2nd, 2021 at 7:41 PM ^
Basically all of Oakland County was closed today due to threats and a bunch of them are staying closed tomorrow as well.
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East German Judge
December 2nd, 2021 at 7:53 PM ^
These stupid fucking idiots making these false threats should be prosecuted when they are found out, and they will be found. This is not a joking matter. Too fucking soon!!!
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JamieH
December 2nd, 2021 at 7:58 PM ^
Something is seriously broken in our society. I'm not going to start speculating on what it is because I don't want to get too political, but I'm going to guess that the problem isn't "Not Enough Guns".
Patch is a very nice gesture by the team.
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Angry-Dad
December 2nd, 2021 at 8:57 PM ^
No doubt something is seriously broken in America. We are the only country that suffers from these mass shootings almost daily. It is uniquely American and it is an embarrassment and a great sadness. I won't post my thoughts because this is a sports blog and not a place for this discussion. I will just say it gives me a heavy heart and makes me worry about my middle school child's safety.
Proud of Michigan for addressing the issue. Wish the individuals that could actually address the underlying concerns would be equally concerned as a college football program.
Prayers and peace to the victims, their families, and everyone in their community.
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kehnonymous
December 2nd, 2021 at 9:25 PM ^
Without trying to get too inflammatory (I won't say poltical, because small 'p' politics is and has always been part of literally every facet of our life), it's not just one thing.
The overriding umbrella factor is American culture. For all that is good about this country, we have a unique cultural disease that makes way too many young men feel such a strong sense of alienation, fear, and inadequacy that they have to lash out by shooting people. I don't disagree that guns are part of the issue because they are an efficient tool for killing many people in short order, but that's just the tip of the iceberg. Because the driving force behind all these awful tragedies is our culture of fear and anger. And, even if gun ownership/access in the U.S. were immediately curtailed (which we all know ain't happening) that toxic undercurrent of fear and anger would find another way - perhaps less efficient, but that hardly matters. It's a mutli-faceted problem that is going to require a top-down willingness from the President down to the lowliest schlub on the street to ask AND answer some uncomfortable questions about this country.
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Monocle Smile
December 2nd, 2021 at 9:59 PM ^
Uh
I could not disagree more. I think that GREATLY matters. I believe it's important to reduce the impact of violent behavior for more immediate effect, especially since this kind of cultural issue can take decades or longer to resolve.
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kehnonymous
December 3rd, 2021 at 12:21 AM ^
I was trying to say that ultimately what needs to happen, more than anything else, is to change the toxic and fearful mindset that leads to school shootings, but I very inelegantly phrased that - and I agree with you.
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JamieH
December 3rd, 2021 at 12:23 AM ^
I don't think there is anything that makes boys feel more inadequate than girls do. I just think boys are way way way more likely to react with violence.
Seems to me the problem is the escalation of weapons. When I was a kid, I remember it was a big deal that some kid brought brass knuckles to school. Pretty sure he was suspended. It was a huge thing. Now that seems almost quaint.
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enlightenedbum
December 2nd, 2021 at 10:24 PM ^
Link
There's the list, which is expanding by the hour. Deeply fucked up.
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GoBlueGoWings
December 2nd, 2021 at 7:31 PM ^
Glad they are doing it.
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East German Judge
December 2nd, 2021 at 7:47 PM ^
Nice, win for Oxford!!!
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Mgopioneer
December 2nd, 2021 at 8:08 PM ^
Uncle retired from Oxford fire department. Cousins attended Oxford school system and lived within walking distance of the high school.. Hit close to home. Kudos to the university for doing this.
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milk-n-steak
December 2nd, 2021 at 8:39 PM ^
I am a teacher and I've been in the same type of parent meetings that the school recently had with the shooter and his family. We do active shooter drills several times per year, which is just absolutely nuts when you think about it. The international students we get from Asia or Europe can't believe we have to practice just in case someone comes in to shoot up the school.
Every time I hear of another shooting, it makes me nervous for quite a while. These situations have to stop. Whatever it takes, they have to stop!
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Angry-Dad
December 2nd, 2021 at 9:02 PM ^
I have a family member that is a teacher. It is absolute madness. I am sorry you have to live with this constant threat that other first world countries do not. Thank you for dedicating your career to the betterment of our future generations.
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FireUpChips
December 2nd, 2021 at 8:56 PM ^
You fuckers should be ashamed of yourselves in this thread. Unbelievable.
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SanDiegoWolverine
December 2nd, 2021 at 8:59 PM ^
Well, mods going to close this thread any second now. People are angry and are going to get back and organizations or people which is understandable in the heat of the moment. But let's not fucking turn on each other here. We are still basking in a huge win guys.
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Crime Reporter
December 2nd, 2021 at 9:19 PM ^
Why are we the away team again?
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AlaskanYeti
December 2nd, 2021 at 9:27 PM ^
I think it alternates each year. West division champ's turn in 2021.
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BlockM
December 2nd, 2021 at 9:27 PM ^
East and West alternate years
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Crime Reporter
December 2nd, 2021 at 9:30 PM ^
Thanks guys. I didn’t know. Not that it matters but hoping for blue pants.
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Qmatic
December 2nd, 2021 at 10:51 PM ^
They released it. White Jersey, blue pants, Maize accessories and socks (like the Penn St game)
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Cdat33
December 2nd, 2021 at 9:43 PM ^
I am a teacher from Oxford. No one wanted this. It was an act of terrorism that has changed our school and community forever. Speaking to the university for creating these patches it is a kind gesture and when you’re trying to recover and make sense of what happened all of those gestures mean something.
In the wake of a traumatic event like this everyone that wasnt there begins to offer solutions. While there is obviously a need for change right now we need gestures like this for those impacted to heal. I can’t tell you I’m ok or my colleagues are. The students need all the support they can get. There will be a time in the recovery to focus on a permanent solution.
I do recommend to everyone to ask your employer about the protocols in case of an active shooter situation or any incident where your lives may be in jeopardy. Ask your childrens school districts. Ask about ALICE training. I am telling you first hand IT SAVED LIVES. I know it’s not a permanent solution but it’s a precautionary measure that saves lives NOW.
GO BLUE. BEAT IOWA. #Oxfordstrong #Michiganstrong
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jabberwock
December 3rd, 2021 at 12:06 AM ^
Hey Mods! This ^ was a passionate and rational post.
It would be a great place to end this thread. . .
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Cowboy Cody
December 3rd, 2021 at 2:05 AM ^
Classy move by a classy school.
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