John U. Bacon is on WTKA with Jamie Morris 10am

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For those that are interested.

BIGBLUEWORLD

October 26th, 2014 at 11:03 AM ^

Love him or hate him, John U. Bacon knows as much about the University of Michigan football program as anyone around.

I like his work when he's reporting what he observes; not so much when he hangs on his opinions.

Danwillhor

October 26th, 2014 at 11:12 AM ^

because I brought this up a few times two years ago, a bunch last year and literally every "season Saturday" this year to replies that were negative about 75% of the time. Replies ranging from polite "you're wrong" to rude "you're an idiot, say that to their face, we do everything others do, etc". I don't know how ANY UM fan could look at the vast majority of our team and then look at the overwhelming number of other CFB teams and not see a huge difference in appearance?!? I'm talking about the teams that are worse, too (not many but they exist). I'm not accusing other teams of cheating as much as they're doing something we aren't because I looked at True Fr and Sophomores on that msu team that were straight yoked up in comparison to similar guys that have been under this staff for 4 years. I see it all over the SEC, PAC12 & fellow conference teams like Minnesota, Wizzy, Neb, Iowa....not just msu/osu. The latter seem to have legit SEC caliber S&C programs! Whether it's deer antler or some completely legit system everyone but UM uses I cannot say but it's obvious to anyone with eyeballs. Finally, those same mentioned all seem to do it and either keep or increase the kids athleticism. Apparently, it's no longer an issue of sacrificing one thing for another. When I see a 5-11 WR at Baylor look yoked beyond our safeties while running a legit 4.4, c'mon. We're not doing something that most everyone else is. If it's WORK, that's on the staff. If it's a system, that's on the staff. Yet, it's there. We have an ex-HS AA OL that looks smaller & weaker than his HS senior year, ffs. A few break the mold but the UM mold seems to be a VERY substandard S&C program. I'm a bit crazy (I admit haha) but I don't think my suspicions were off two years ago nor my obvious observations from last year to today.

Danwillhor

October 26th, 2014 at 12:04 PM ^

for both info and the many carbon copy replies I've received. You certainly know more about S&C than I do but you captured what I was poorly trying to explain. When I say "yoked" I don't necessarily mean "muscle bound". I'm referring to a physique that has both muscular size but moves very fluidly. Again, you explain that very well so thank you. As for injuries, I know every team has them but I include that in my observations of our team training as well. We just don't seem to universally become bigger AND maintain (or...gasp...improve) mobility/ease of movement. As I said, it's the eye test and I think it's impossible to NOT see the clear difference between us and most other programs. I also think this leads to more injuries and specifically injuries where a ligament is asked to bear the force a muscle should (knee, shoulder, etc). Very good read and it kind if confirms but only what I think but that others agree while others (sometimes) violently disagree in what appears to be the obvious. The fact is that we don't look or move like a modern CFB team, regardless of offensive/defensive coaching system.

BIGBLUEWORLD

October 26th, 2014 at 1:00 PM ^

You might not work in the S&C, health and fitness field like I do, but your observations are certainly accurate and to the point.

As for the disagreements you've gotten, athletic training is a complex, evolving field. There's a lot of disagreement, even among top professionals and the upper echelon of sports science. This is far from a mature, exact science.

(Plus, there's a few pretty snarky people lurking around here sometimes.)

wbpbrian

October 26th, 2014 at 11:50 AM ^

without cheating. Without cheating I have seen people gain fifteen  ( I have seen more than twenty before) pounds of muscle on in one year with a okay diet and moderate to high level of training. With cheating I have seen 50 pounds of muscle put on in a year keepable and not water weight. I want people to be more educated on how players train and what is effective. I know people are different and some people can't gain muscle like everybody else, but I would hope that our staff has found players that they can develop. Since the recruitig services has us rated highly I know we have talent on the team so I know most our players can be developed to be superior to lesser talent. The most damning thing I see from our S&C is our DBs. When Terry and Delonte are still under 180lbs when they have spent 4 and 5 years in our S&C program I know something is worng. Also when our players like James Ross hasn't progressed any since he has been here we have problems we need to address. I will let you guys know there are only a few legit ways that is considerd "cheating" There is steroids (injectable, oral, and cream,androgel), there are prohormones which are precursors of steroids, Selective Androgen Receptor Modulator (SARM), IGF (Deer velevet anteleer is a scam can't affect your IGF levels enough to show growth, Insulin,  and HGH. The most effective way to create muscle is still steroids and the effects of them aren't as serious as people say they are as long as your educated about everything you take. Prohormones are just precursors to the actual steriods they tend to be just legal alterations of the steroids so they can be sold to the public. SARMS are newer and react in the body differently and tend to have less side effects. IGF and Insulin I know can build muscle and keep you lean but I have never taken them so I really haven't study muched on them. They both need to be injected also HGH is only effective through injections too. HGH takes months to show results and also has crazy side effects with long term use. IGF, insulin, and HGH are usely taken with steroids to enhance gains.  The point of me telling you guys this is just information to draw up on our players progeression to educate you guys on the substances players might be taking.

Danwillhor

October 26th, 2014 at 12:12 PM ^

QUESTION: I've posed this notion in passing merely out of the incredulity I feel when I see how behind we are in the training department but do you personally think most successful teams have a steroid regimen, either blatant, encouraged or known & ignored? USC in its 2000s dominance was a not so secret den of steroid use. I'm not asking to debate you but a general thought because some teams are just outright a league above us in the training dept. I mean, is 80% of our team just half-assing it even under a potentially poor S&C program?

wbpbrian

October 26th, 2014 at 1:07 PM ^

I would say that there is a coniderable amount of PED usage. If I was an athlete that was seriously competing for a million dollar contract, I would take steriods if I think I was not going to make it for the contract. Also if I was injured I would use PEDS because some of them are proven to help speed up recovery and will also build stength and muscle tendons which will prevent injury. I would say that the S&C department that spends a lot of time with there athletes must be able to see the changes in there players and would have to know they are taking something. There many signs that I can see without knowing that someone is taking PEDS. Just the other day I was walking by a women and she had a puffy face and unusual oily skin. I knew my cousin knew her and would you know it she was on steriods. Well in sports it is sometimes hard to tell who is on and who is not due to the fact that there genitic freaks. If I was a betting man I would say at least 20 percent of athletes take PEDS, but that is a conservative number. I would not be suprised if it was 80%. Another tidbit to let you know is that just because someone is not huge doesn't mean they are not taking steroids. Just because someone doesn't put on size doesn't mean they are not on something. There are "cutting" steroids that shred fat and put on less muscle. So that is why it is so hard to tell if someone is on. Like in boxing, boxers have been known to take Halotestin which puts on incredible strength and little weight gain. Also they would take it and it would increase aggression which will make them fight better.

BIGBLUEWORLD

October 26th, 2014 at 12:43 PM ^

Good summary of chemical anabolic muscle enhancement, wbpbrian. Very informative.

However, as a health and fitness trainer for twenty four years, I would like to comment on your statement that steroids: "aren't as serious as people say as long as your educated about everything else."

When you go on your "supplement" cycle, what happens is your testicles essentially turn off and shrivel up.  Then when you end your cycle, you hope that your balls start back up and resume normal function. That doesn't always happen.

That's not something I would recommend to anyone.

wbpbrian

October 26th, 2014 at 12:52 PM ^

But there are things like HCG and triptorelin that help try to bring back your natural test. I would not recommend anybody that is not committed to the gym and or is on the cusp of being a professional athlete or a powerlifter/bodybuilder. Nobody that is starting out lifting should PEDs. Anybody that does it should have been training for at least three years and have built a solid base. I would say nobidy under 30 should take it but if you are college athlete I see the incentive of taking them so I am not the one to judge. There are serious side effects for steroid use. If you have mental disorders steroids could then mess with your head. All I am saying is spend months doing real research before attempting to take PEDS.

Tim Waymen

October 26th, 2014 at 2:27 PM ^

The players better not be taking that shit. It's illegal, banned by the NCAA, and deleterious to their health. And products like X-Tren or whatever they were forced to changed their name to are just repackaged anabolic steroids. Yeah it will shrivel up your testicles but it can have serious effects on your liver too and lead to adenomas.

AMazinBlue

October 26th, 2014 at 11:16 AM ^

will wallow in turmoil and mediocrity for another decade.  Brandon has to go in the 20 days for anything positive to happen for next season.  Anyone who thinks that a real coach will come here and work under that tool is blind.

303john

October 26th, 2014 at 11:21 AM ^

That Hoke sucks,Brandon is a Douche and Lloyd should have won 3 National Championships with his players not Gary Moellers. Brandon and and Hoke have made us a joke. Please take off the Maize and Blue glasses. Even Speilman wants Michigan to be good. It makes OSU and State both look better. Hell even most pundits say the reason the Big 14 is down because Michigan is being led in the wrong direction. Fire the chumps and let's get back to being the leaders and the best.

snarling wolverine

October 26th, 2014 at 11:50 AM ^

Your first two may be true, but given that no one else has won a national championship here in 60+ years, it's hard to turn up your nose at Lloyd for "only" winning one.  Also, he was Moeller's DC, so he recruited a ton of guys he inherited.

 

Red is Blue

October 26th, 2014 at 5:21 PM ^

I'm not so sure about the Speilman thing.  He pretty simultaneously said "Hoke is a good coach" and "Michigan is not developing players."  I have a hard time justifying those two statements.  How could both be true unless 1) player development is not the coaches pervue (but that doesn't make sense) or 2) Speilman wants Hoke to stay on as coach so OSU has a patsy, but he is trying to steer talented recruits to OSU.

303john

October 26th, 2014 at 11:55 AM ^

There is a rumor that it is going down Monday. There is another rumor that he was asked to resign. To quote Glen Frye, the heat is on.

ChalmersE

October 26th, 2014 at 12:36 PM ^

For me, one of the lowest points of yesterday afternoon was when ABC/ESPN switched to Arizona's game and made a joke about RR being a candidate to replace Hoke.  I was among those who thought RR had to go four years ago, but I have to wonder now where the program would be if he had been given a contract extension and the back-biting had stopped (although the latter was probably never going to happen). Sigh.

Ben v2

October 26th, 2014 at 1:03 PM ^

RR's lack of success at AA is as much Bill Martin's fault as any.  Bill Martin, being a seasoned business person, should know that all new staffers require a transition plan.  Before RR was introduced, Bill should have sat RR down with Bill Davidson, Stephen Ross, and Dave Brandon to gain buy-in.  With big money backing RR, Lloyd would not have sabotaged the transition, and RR would have been more open about UM not being a total teardown.

RR is a good coach stuck at the wrong place at the wrong time.  I would always root for him at whichever school he coaches.

WolverineMac

October 26th, 2014 at 2:01 PM ^

That's revisionist history at best. His decisions on defense and special teams were atrocious and his demise deserved.

He is a great offensive mind and play caller but he hamstrings his D and forgot about special teams while here.

Unfortunately we hired a D line coach who we thought covered all the other intangibles while his coordinators did their jobs. I like Hoke, I think he's a great guy but I've never seen someone do less with more. Painful to watch and accept

snarling wolverine

October 26th, 2014 at 3:54 PM ^

It's worth pointing out that, by all sources, Lloyd Carr was the one who first contacted RichRod, and was the one who sold Martin on him.  We might want to keep that in mind before we condemn him.  Why would he bring RichRod here to coach a program he dearly loves, and then sabotage him?  

Three and Out is essentially RichRod's version of events.  I strongly suspect that Lloyd's version is quite different.

 

m1jjb00

October 26th, 2014 at 1:27 PM ^

Given that right after the call, Morris started talking about some excellent eligible former coaches that should be considered, absolutely none of them (other than JH) being guys anyone on this board would take seriously as a candidate my point was proven.  (I was the caller.) 

They also talked about how useful a background in Michigan comes in recruiting and selling the school.  Name me one useful aspect of a coaching candidate that's less important than that.  If you can sell, you can sell.  If you can read and talk to others, you can educate yourself on your patter.  Once again, the point is proven that there's at least some voices out there who appera willing to hamstring the process with extraneous stuff like being formally part of the program.

Don't get me wrong.  I'd be thrilled to have JH as the coach.  But, not because he has some connection to Bo.  It's because he's a proven winner who would be considered by any high-D-I/professional team with an opening.

There's a perfectly useful synonym for Michigan man: a winning coach with integrity. Yeah, we're all for that.  But, attaching that w/ "Michigan way, Michigan man", etc. invites too narrow a focus.

My broader point is that there are too many voices advocating stuff other than winning with integrity.  That includes former players who want their guy.  That includes alums who back Brandon (though JUB's Yahoo piece suggests that has loosened quite a bit.)

I just want to win with integrity.  Everything else is so trivial as to get in the way of that pursuit.  

 

OMG Shirtless

October 26th, 2014 at 3:42 PM ^

The only reason people include their middle initial in their name is to sound more important than they really are.  

Example: 147% of the lawyers in the universe.  

21-194-13

October 27th, 2014 at 6:20 AM ^

The most interesting thing Bacon said was that Nuss' contract does not penalize him for leaving early. Basically, he's free to go after the season. That tells me he was counting on doing well here and taking a head coaching job as soon as possible.