GoBlueWolverine's Dre Barthwell: Marvin Robinson to leave Michigan

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Dre Barthwell's tweet pretty much says it all...expect it to be official tomorrow. Best of luck to him.

Tomorrow junior safety Marvin Robinson plans on receiving his release from Michigan thus having a chance to play for another college.

— Dre Barthwell (@drebwell) May 13, 2013

edit: Revising title to reflect who is reporting this news.

M-Wolverine

May 12th, 2013 at 11:24 PM ^

TWO under the limit. How dastardly. These things usually work out. People obsess over the numbers way too much.

saveferris

May 13th, 2013 at 7:53 AM ^

Right, because Ohio and MSU coaches NEVER sit their players down and have the reality check discussion with them regarding their futures at those respective schools....well maybe MSU doesn't but that's just because their recruiting is so feeble, they can't afford to be throwing anyone away.

Of all the memes rival fanbases troll with, the notion that we "chase" players off our team is the one that infuriates me the most.

bacon

May 12th, 2013 at 11:28 PM ^

According to the unofficial two-deep, disappointing, but not overly surprising. Best of luck to this kid wherever he ends up.

woomba

May 12th, 2013 at 11:29 PM ^

If the stats on this post  is still accurate:

 

2010 Class Size  : 27

Left Team : 17

Suspended for 2013 Season : 1

Marginal Contributors : 3

White Receiver : 1

Devin Gardner : 1

Other Meaningful Contributors : 4

 

 

1464

May 13th, 2013 at 8:19 AM ^

I justify it by realizing it is usually true.  I hate the assertation that everyone has to be equal, that we are all precious little autonomous creatures with exactly the same ambition and skillsets.

There are many things that set apart different races.  As long as you don't use those differences to disparage a different group, you are simply acknowledging a trend.  I've always had the belief that pretending that there are no differences between people is far more racist.

BONUS: In another generation or two, it will even be okay to openly joke about these differences.  Dave Chappelle has done much more good for racial relations than almost anyone else.

Seth

May 13th, 2013 at 9:22 AM ^

People are far more alike that you're crediting them for, and FAR more genetically mixed than most people realize. Scientifically speaking, the gene pool is far too mixed up for there to be any plausible relationship between race and certain abilities, especially in African Americans, of whom nearly all have European ancestry in multiple spots on the tree (having lived in this country for quite some time). Furthermore, African population groups are more genetically distinct than any other continental sample (e.g. N. Africans share ancenstry with Greeks more than they do people from Kenya), so what you're calling "black" is actually humanity's most melted pot (another being European Americans, Mr. Kettle). Other than skin pigmentation there aren't any shared traits in that population. And skin pigmentation doesn't make you jump higher, run faster, or catch better.

Meanwhile sociologists have shown fairly demonstratably that circumstance, not genetics, is the largest contributing factor to demographic differences in athleticism. A century ago people were talking about the Catholics the same way, believing that something about being Irish made you tough enough to be a football player that you didn't see very often in "white" people. Turns out it's just that Irish were poor with few opportunities available to them, and that meant a few more were very motivated to take advantage of one that provided a free college degree. Sound familiar? Athleticism isn't just born--it's a honed skill that requires a massive level of dedication from an early age to utilize. All those fast and agile kids from Pahokee didn't get that way because they're part of a predisposed athletic genetic group; they got that way by chasing rabbits while most of the kids their age were playing video games, and of the rabbit chasers the few with athletic talent honed commitment to the sport and agility to a level that made them very useful to college teams.

It's mostly bullshit--not entirely bullshit because there's certain adaptive traits that remain--but bullshit enough that race as a determining factor in a person's athletic ability is more damaging as a stereotype than useful as a predictor. Comedians who play on stereotypes have been around as long as stereotypes have been taboo--Chapelle does nothing Richard Pryor didn't come up with. But then there's a very good reason that stereotypes are taboo: they're damaging, while also being not correct.

M-Wolverine

May 13th, 2013 at 2:31 PM ^

Is just sociological feel good stuff. No one questions that diseases like Sickle Cell are more common in people of certain ancestry, but freak out when it comes to the idea that there might actually be other genetic traits that aren't all negative. Even within a racial group (East vs. West African, etc.)  Traits that affect a group negatively are basic science knowledge, but any traits that may affect a group positively can't exist seems very much like a sociological convenience rather than hard science. Sure there are many sociological factors that weigh in more than genetics, but they don't override them.  If you just had to be poor and looking for a way out to be good at athletics the Olympics would be dominated by the Chinese in all sports.  Or even better, Indians, who don't make a dent even though they have as much poverty as anywhere, and more people than the continent of Africa as a whole. Sociology makes great sense in the microcosm of America sports, but far less when you look at sports the world competes in. But this is SO far off topic and political.

MGlobules

May 13th, 2013 at 9:10 PM ^

spent his life working through every kink of such faulty logic. Race is a social convention. As Dobhzansky said, if we're going to talk about races as discrete bodies then they don't exist at all. None of us can pretend to account for all of the specific social forces, most very much matters of only local history, that make up what we THINK we see about racial propensity for anything, starting with sports and ending with intellect. In time the post Seth responded to will be understood as an exceedingly ignorant one. 

Yes, social categories have utility. But those based on race are so fraught with ugly history that it's more important to shatter them than to build them up out of some kind of reactionary insistence on "obvious common sense." It was common sense to Southerners that Italians weren't white just 40 years ago. 

1464

May 14th, 2013 at 4:20 PM ^

I guess we have differing views as to what would be considered an ignorant argument.  If humans evolved such vastly different physical traits, such as pigmentation and facial structure, it would stand to reason that there is more than a 0.006% genetic diversity, or that 0.006% genetic diversity is a bigger number than we think.  Your thoughts on eliminating racism involve society eventually doing two things: homogenization, which will happen to an extent, due to new forms of transportation shrinking the world, and people who stop noticing racial differences, which I hope to avoid.

I am as against racism as much as anyone.  I have a conflicting view on how it is eliminated.  I don't think ignorance is a good policy.  And by no means do I think that my post was ignorant.  Let's all pretend to be exactly the same!  No, instead, I hope that racism is eliminated by taking out the context, not the message.  It's okay that a black guy and a white guy have differences.  Ask any doctor about categorizing at risk patients.  Lactose tolerance, heart disease, etc, can be linked to different groups of people.  What's not okay is when people have a predisposition towards or against a race.

My goal would be for people to recognize and understand racial diversity without it being a big deal.

My future would consist of race being the same as saying "That guy is wearing a white shirt, and that guy is wearing a black shirt.  But that does not change my opinion on either guy."

Your future seems to be "I can't tell what color shirt that guy is wearing, so I won't form an opinion on either guy."

 

Seth

May 23rd, 2013 at 9:41 AM ^

Nobody's denying that racism exists, or that race as a social construct exists--it's on all the forms. What I'm saying is that it's not a genetic distinction, just a cultural one. It's just one of those things in science where the observed traits don't match the genetics.

You know where we find that the most? In humans--because humans more than any other species like to go around modifying nature to suit our needs.

The greatest example is how non-genetically diverse we are (most species have WAY more diversity) versus how different we see ourselves. Also more than any other species, we build social constructs out of extremely subtle differences in looks. You'll note most animals have minor differences in facial construction but you can't really tell one racoon from another on sight. Your brain is hardwired to make distinctions between human faces, and human faces have developed a lot of different configurations to be able to sexually present as "like you."

Yes there are some specific genetic traits of recent origin in certain populations. Ashkenazi Jews, for example, have several traits we need to get tested for when having children that others don't because there's a couple of mutations prevalent in our gene pool that can cause cancer or birth defects if repeated. People of lighter skin (because solar heat soaked into skin cells is how bodies break down lactose) are far more likley to be lactose intolerant except those of west asian origin because they've been living the longest off of domestic animals' milk (northern europeans were about the last to do this). And the classic example of population differences in genetics is the sickle-cell gene, because while having two sickle cell alleles gives you sickle cell anemia, being heterozygous in that gene makes you immune to malaria, therefore making carriers the healthiest people (and thus most likely to reproduce) within populations that live in highly malarial regions. Except for the pigmentation thing, you're talking about fairly recent mutations that persist in the population where it started. And pigmentation isn't one gene but many, and those are supposedly activateable, meaning dark skin is something any population will get  in just a few generations if they're living near the Equator and remaining physically active, and vice versa (if you wanna see this in action go look at all the 3rd generation descendents of Germans and Poles living in Israel).

For a very long time nobody seemed to notice that across all cultures, people draw the "boogie man" or more generally their idea of a grotesque human being the same way. Indadvertently, even as kids, we retain visual stimulations from our dealings with Neanderthals, who were the same species as us, yet on the extreme of recognizable divergence.

The science says we're all the same. The hard evidence is all on the side of "race" being just another social construct of beings that love to create bullshit social constructs. Maybe it's unfortunate that the facts, in this particular case, support something that other people (who don't care about the facts anyway) use to justify breaking down cultural differences between groups of different historical background. But they're the facts. African Americans are nearly 12% European. Spotted eugenic breeding attempts during slavery were so unsuccessful (because people have always found ways to fuck whomever they want) as to leave no more effect on the population than the Nazis' attempts to do the same turned Germans into healthy blond people. Other than skin pigmentation and the persistence of multi-allele cosmetic features, there is very little difference.

What you're really talking about is cultural distinctions, and those, I agree, don't need to be force-homogenized because there's a lot of value in maintaining our mini-cultures within the larger one. I do think it's very important, however, that when we start talking about physical differences between humans, we can be honest with each other about how little difference there really is between us.

With sports it's not so hard as it seems. Ever notice that most hockey players come from countries where hockey is the biggest sport, and baseball players the same? Do you think that's because there's a Canadian hockey gene, or because Canadian culture pushes kids with hockey talent to start developing that? How about all the basketball players that come from Indiana? So why are black southern players dominant in football? Because football is dominant in black southern culture.

As for eliminating racism, what goes on in science probably doesn't matter since white supremicists are probably the last people who are going to give a shit what science says. You're fighting against somethingt that is very hardwired in humans--tribal defensiveness--and certain learned behaviors passed down from parents and role models used to identify race as one's tribe. The trigger for this kind of defensiveness is usually something else entirely, an individual's feeling that they don't belong, so therefore they use identification and tribalism to make someone else not belong. We fight this the way we have been: if there's an opportunity gap, try to help close that gap, and just keep being not accepting of racist shit, keep being honest about our dark history, and keep avenues of opportunity truly open.

Elmer

May 12th, 2013 at 11:28 PM ^

I had high hopes of Robinson really helping our safety play when he committed.  Kinda sad it didn't work out, but I hope he lands someplace where he can play and get a solid degree.

Kvothe

May 12th, 2013 at 11:29 PM ^

I was really excited to see play for the maize and blue. Too bad it didn't work out but best of luck to him where ever he goes.

rbgoblue

May 12th, 2013 at 11:29 PM ^

Really too bad to see him go.  Had such high hopes when he committed, wanted him to be a 3 year force at strong safety.  Unfortunately, he ended up being a tweener, stuck between safety and linebacker.  The one lasting memory of mine will be him not getting deep enough as Tommy Rees completed the go ahead touchdown pass with 23 seconds left in the UTL game.  Devastating at the time, but set up an amazing finish and a large part of Denard's legacy.  Wishing him all the best.

gwkrlghl

May 12th, 2013 at 11:31 PM ^

Odds are this is related to his playing-time prospects for this coming year. He was the twin brother of Ricardo Miller in that we thought both were going to be 5 star guys when they were about to commit and neither ended up with that recruiting hype and neither really managed to meet the hype they did receive. I hope he lands somewhere where he can play

On the bright side, maybe this means Jarrod has looked down the SS spot in convincing fashion

RagingBean

May 12th, 2013 at 11:31 PM ^

He got passed at every position he could contribute at by players 2-3 years younger than him. Writing was on the wall. Still mind-blowing how many kids from that 2010 class washed out. Good thing the 2012 and 2013 classes seem to be filled to bursting with instant contributors!

alum96

May 13th, 2013 at 6:54 AM ^

" Good thing the 2012 and 2013 classes seem to be filled to bursting with instant contributors!"

Not to be a downer but nothing is guaranteed Mr Bean.  Marvin was seen as an "instant contributor" in his day as well, an ESPN top 150 just as 8 of our current class is (and Rivals top 100 - most consider Rivals to be a better talent evaluater) and many others in the 2012 and 2013s are.  You just never know - you stockpile them, hopefully with good character to boot along with the talent, and the work ethic and hope 60%+ pan out.

Mr. Yost

May 12th, 2013 at 11:43 PM ^

I'm on my phone so I don't really have anything in front of me...but I know Gardner and Gallon. I believe Dileo as well. Then there is like one other guy who actually plays (not named Hagerup). I think the other guys are like Paskorz and Richard Ash but I could be wrong. In the end, if Devin doesn't lead us to a couple Rose Bowls, a National Championship or win the Heisman...this will turn out to be one of the worst classes in history. What's weird is that these guys didn't really fall on a year you'd totally expect and accept attrition. That said, maybe Rich Rod was feeling the heat and brought in a bunch of guys to try and "win now" with. Remember guys like Dorsey are considered part of this class.

saveferris

May 13th, 2013 at 7:47 AM ^

Gallon was part of the 2009 class.  So Devin Gardner, Jake Ryan, Will Hagerup, Jibreel Black, Courtney Avery, and Drew Dileo are the only players left from the 2010 class that are showing up anywhere on the U of M Depth Charts*.

* - Well not Ryan obviously, but he would were it not for the wrath of AMLBHG

Mr. Yost

May 12th, 2013 at 11:34 PM ^

...so it begins. These guys want to play, some want to start. M-Rob got beat out by Jarrod Wilson and Dymonte is locking down the nickel before his likely move to Safety. This certainly hurts depth as Robinson was the first Safety off the bench. We really only went 3 deep in the spring. That said, Clark certainly looks the part and he's got a summer to continue to improve, Gant was also getting significant snaps in the spring. Then Furman is there for depth and experience (for now at least). We also have a couple corners who may be Safeties down the road. In the end, we can likely get the same amount of production from Clark and/or Gant that we were going to get from Robinson. This now really opens the door for a transfer at QB to help THIS season. That should be the bolded note. Anyway, best of luck to M-Rob, I always liked him as a player and he certainly came in with all the hype. I wonder if he (and Furman) would've been better off playing LB from day 1. Wish Marvin nothing but the best, maybe he can go back to a school in FL and provide a big time impact.

turd ferguson

May 12th, 2013 at 11:39 PM ^

It's an interesting, tough call about the UM degree.  On one hand, assuming that he wants playing time (and isn't going to an Ivy League school), he probably won't get a better degree than he'd get from Michigan.  On the other hand, if he wants a shot at a professional football career, he's probably better off getting on the field somewhere than hoping for an opportunity that might never come in Ann Arbor. 

JEWBILEE

May 12th, 2013 at 11:35 PM ^

I always thought he was going to be a stud,  but I guess you gotta do what ya gotta do.  In my mind, he'll forever be in my top 5 for "OMG shirtless" players....and I mean that in the most heterosexual way possible.