Dave Brandon Not Happy About Ohio's Extra Coaches
Here's what he had to say about Ohio's extra coaches:
“It allows more coaching resources to work on the two primary responsibilities of any staff—coaching and recruiting. I am struggling to understand how this relates to the `level playing field’ the NCAA claims it is always working to create.”
Say what you will about Brandon (and I'm sure someone will complain about him in the comments), you have to love that he's calling the NCAA out. Having an extra set of coaches is a distinct advantage that makes a mockery of the NCAA's claims of fair and equal treatment. I'm surprised that it hasn't really gotten more attention from the national media.
Link: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-ohiostate-coacheswaiver-brandon
December 11th, 2011 at 12:45 AM ^
This is rediculous and unfair. Why should you be allowed to gain a TREMENDOUS advantage in recruiting while a team is preparing for a bowl game? I'm glad Brandon spoke out against this and hopefully other coaches do too.
December 11th, 2011 at 1:18 AM ^
You hypocritical BASTARDS! Scoffing and laughing when your team benefits from the corrupt system and then lambasting it when it swings the other way! Enjoy your humble pie as the top program in the B1G puts you in your place. Because you know, nobody means more to the B1G, than Ohio State. Accept the truth.
December 11th, 2011 at 1:30 AM ^
but the only thing I can remember is, "Sparty....Nooooooooo!!!"
December 11th, 2011 at 2:59 AM ^
I know it's difficult for you to understand how the BCS works because you've never been to a BCS bowl game, but your team wasn't eligible. They weren't ranked high enough to even be considered for a BCS bowl. You didn't get passed over. You weren't eligible.
December 11th, 2011 at 3:18 AM ^
So we're hypocrites because we participate in NCAA athletics, yet are upset because another team received a rule exemption and gain an advantage?
Sense, this has none.
ps- people like you foster and give validity to the idea that people at your school are stupid and why we are better than you.
pps- so that pie's coming in the mail, or?
December 11th, 2011 at 3:35 AM ^
Coupons? Is that you?
December 11th, 2011 at 4:48 AM ^
sorry wasn't paying attention i had orbitz up on the other screen buying my sugar bowl tickets.
December 11th, 2011 at 6:19 AM ^
December 11th, 2011 at 10:26 AM ^
Sorry, no talking allowed from the New Year's undercard.
December 11th, 2011 at 11:15 AM ^
Get a new hobby dude.
December 11th, 2011 at 1:11 PM ^
Sparty fouled their way out of direct chance to go to a BCS bowl. By hitting Wisconsin's punter and loosing the game (not to mention previous lossed to ND and Nebraska), Sparty fell in the BCS rankings to a position where they were no longer eligible to be selected for a BCS game.
i.e., Michigan State had the chance and blew it ==== Sparty ... Nooooooooooooooo!
December 11th, 2011 at 3:20 PM ^
Gotdammit I love Little Brother.
December 11th, 2011 at 4:26 AM ^
illinois is doing the same thing and Michigan did this also when Coach Carr was transtioning to RichRod if i'm not mistaken. It's not too big of a deal really Dave Brandon looks like Gordon Gee and the little sisters of the poor episode.
December 11th, 2011 at 4:30 AM ^
RR was making recruiting calls the day he accepted the job. brandon needs to stand down on this one. i really wish he would keep a lower profile.
December 11th, 2011 at 4:49 AM ^
disagree. I like having an active AD who advocates for our program within the rules.
December 11th, 2011 at 7:52 AM ^
You have two teams in the MNC game who are poster childs for oversigning. Alabama has taken 109 LOIs over the last four years and LSU has taken 102. Then I checked Okie St. and was surprised to find they have taken 109 also.
Since Rivals inception Bama's smallest four year period is 98 and every other four year period is over 100 with a high of 111 (+26) and if they take no more commits this year they will be at 99. LSU's low 91 high of 105 and at 99 if they take no more commits this year.
In the BIG, Ohio has a four year high of 88, Wisky 92, MSU 104 but current team is 87, and Michigan 93 with massive attrition from RR years and I expect we top that number this year.
I understand the unfair advantage of Ohio having a coach to coach and one to recruit, but that is nowhere near the advantage you get from taking roughly an extra 20+ recruits every four years and cutting those who don't pan out.
December 11th, 2011 at 3:45 PM ^
He had the chance to speak out by declining the Alabama game and giving reasons publicly. I would have loved for him to do that and try and get Jerry Jones to contact Georgia, Florida, Texas, USC, Oklahoma, or any other school that doesn't oversign. I would be all for a "Michigan doesn't schedule optional games against schools that oversign" policy. That would result in real egg on Alabama's face, which would be awesome.
December 11th, 2011 at 6:28 AM ^
Uhh.....no. Just, no. There was never an exemption issued to U of M for this. Rich Rod making calls is one thing; an exemption for having more coaches on the payroll than is actually allowed is quite another. I will recant if you can show me some evidence that U of M got said waiver in 2007 that allowed us to have Gibson, RR, whomever else, et al, recruiting for us while on the payroll pre-Lloyd's last game. I'm damn near certain it didn't happen. We hired an HC only.
I generally think DB is . . . hard to stomach for virtually everything but hiring Brady Hoke. But this isn't a reason to dislike him, IMO. He's right, it's bullshit, and we didn't get the same treatment. I've never heard of us having received a waiver for having too many coaches, and I'm fairly certain if it happened, it was not ever made public. . . which would be odd, considering that we are a publicly-funded university in one of the 49 states that doesn't end with "sylvania", and the NCAA is a public organization.
December 11th, 2011 at 10:25 AM ^
December 11th, 2011 at 12:23 PM ^
1. If U of M got the waiver in 2007 then Dave Brandon doesn't have much of a leg to stand on.
2. If U of M didn't get the waiver in 2007 and Lloyd was working with a full staff and RR was recruiting prior to the bowl game then U of M was violating NCAA rules.
December 11th, 2011 at 12:43 PM ^
Except that I was not reading MGoBlog at 4:30 AM.
RR was making recruiting calls the day he accepted the job. brandon needs to stand down on this one. i really wish he would keep a lower profile.
Very well said. What on earth is Brandon thinking?
December 11th, 2011 at 12:49 AM ^
Cheaters are gonna cheat if the NCAA is going to ignore this!
December 11th, 2011 at 12:53 AM ^
They're not ignoring it, they're endorsing it. They approved the waiver.
December 11th, 2011 at 12:52 AM ^
The comments on that article are out of the ballpark ridiculous.
December 11th, 2011 at 1:04 AM ^
Although it's actually kind of funny to see that people can't spell "privilege."
December 11th, 2011 at 1:16 AM ^
Kork Coupons learned how to spell it and then was so excited about that that he wrote a speech that used the word 26 times in order to practice it.
December 11th, 2011 at 12:53 AM ^
Did we get this same treatment when RR was hired?
December 11th, 2011 at 12:54 AM ^
Didn't try. RR was fired after the bowl game. This only really works if you have an interim coach you're going to keep around as an assistant or the head coach you're firing agrees to stick around through the bowl ala Erickson or Neuheisel currently.
December 11th, 2011 at 1:00 AM ^
He said hired, not fired.
To answer that question, RR was hired in mid-December, on the eve of a recruiting dead period. We never really had the two-headed advantage. Meyer was hired in late November and will be available for three of the most active recruiting weeks of the year.
December 11th, 2011 at 1:02 AM ^
Touche, 1 AM reading comprehension while finals studying.
December 11th, 2011 at 1:05 AM ^
It's okay, 2 other people upvoted you so they made the same mistake.
December 11th, 2011 at 1:10 AM ^
To be fair, our frantic coaching search would've relieved that. We probably would have gotten that benefit if it hadn't been for the ineptitude of our athletic administration.
I do think that it's an unfair advantage. But I don't think we have the right to any sort of sanctimonious anger here.
December 11th, 2011 at 11:16 AM ^
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December 11th, 2011 at 1:06 AM ^
he said when RR was hired, not fired...
i'm too slow apparently...
December 11th, 2011 at 1:12 AM ^
Or when your head coach is named Lloyd Carr and he retires after the bowl game.
December 11th, 2011 at 12:53 AM ^
Illinois requested the same waiver for Beckman and his staff. They said something to the effect of "if Ohio gets to do it, then so should we". It's a real slippery slope the NCAA is standing on, but what's new?
December 11th, 2011 at 12:58 AM ^
What determines the success of the application for a waiver? Seems that this is just another loophole to allow someone to cheat. NCAA meet my tax lawyers. They will find all the loopholes and exploit them until you are the laughing stock of college sports. Wait am I too late? Noooooo!
December 11th, 2011 at 9:23 AM ^
There is a chance Michigan loses a coach after the season; I think a waiver is in order just in case...
December 11th, 2011 at 3:51 PM ^
Maybe two. Do we go with Carr and Moeller? Long and Brady? Desmond and Hart? Lloyd Brady for both positions?
December 11th, 2011 at 12:54 AM ^
but, UNC is being allowed the same thing...it's not just Ohio..I don't understand the rule, but I also don't understand a lot of stuff going on in college football now-a-days or the NFL for that matter.
December 11th, 2011 at 12:58 AM ^
Illinois is also doing it. So did Michigan when RR recruited while LC coached the bowl game.
December 11th, 2011 at 12:54 AM ^
December 11th, 2011 at 12:54 AM ^
is it cool if the only real penalty we had to face, replacing our scumbag cheating ass coach, is mitigated by having our incoming coach, who has 2 national championships, do recruiting while the existing staff prepares for the bowl game we shouldn't be eligible for? Oh yeah, thats ok? Thanks. I'm glad you understand that unaccounted stretching is on the same level as paying players.
December 11th, 2011 at 12:58 PM ^
Ha! well put. Why don't they just bring back that scumbag, cheating-ass coach on staff as well? They can have Fickell do the Xs & Os, Tressel provide the inspirational/motivational speeches and Meyer can recruit future Terrelle Pryors.
December 11th, 2011 at 12:55 AM ^
NCAA = National Competitive Advantage Administration?
Dirty politicians always seem to have an advantage, then they go down in the flames of corruption. If I was a journalist, I would be setting up beat in Columbus. Seems you are guaranteed a scandel every few years. They are like the pheonix of scandal makers, a new one always emerges from the ashes of the old.
The NCAA has no method for schools to hold its feet to the fire. No balance of power. Time to abandon it. The Big Ten would be just fine on its own. Fuck the MNC, fuck BCS bowl games I just want Big Ten championships anyway....
Its not like winning the championship of cheating is anything to be proud about anyway...
December 11th, 2011 at 12:58 AM ^
Because I'm not happy about it either!
December 11th, 2011 at 1:04 AM ^
Please tell me what the upside is to Brandon saying this. There is no chance his words are going to change anything about the situation, he opens himself up to detractors calling him a whiner and the story only galvanizes the mouth-breathers in Ohio who want to invent any reason they can to prove we are "scared" of Meyer.
Yes, it's an unfair advantage. No, nothing will be done about it. Sometimes the best way to convey confidence is silence.
December 11th, 2011 at 1:04 AM ^
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
December 11th, 2011 at 1:16 AM ^
Ten persons who speak make more noise than ten thousand who are silent.
Napoleon Bonaparte
December 11th, 2011 at 2:04 AM ^
LOUD NOISES
-Brick Tamland