#Crootin'

Submitted by His Dudeness on

Hi friends,

To preface - I am a Rivals guy. That is to say I get my crootin' info from Rivals.

I got to thinking how the meme on Hoke aside from the actual play on the football field has been "well at least he is killing it on the recruiting trail." I took a quick look at the class rankings...

RR hired 2007

RR responsible for classes 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011

              2008      2009      2010      2011     

UM           10            8             20          21    

OSU         4              3             25          11                   

 

Hoke hired 2011

Hoke responsible for classes 2012, 2013 and 2014

              2012      2013      2014

UM           7             5            27 

OSU        4              2             2

It is 2014 and all, but sorry we aren't really doing that well on the recruiting trail  : (  

 

EDIT:

What is the formula?

Rivals Rating points + Rivals250 Bonus Points = Total Points

Rivals Rating (RR) Scale (Top 20 rated commitments)

(Rivals Rating = Points)

6.1 = 150 points
6.0 = 135 points
5.9 = 120 points
5.8 = 105 points
5.7 = 90 points
5.6 = 75 points
5.5 = 60 points
5.4 = 45 points
5.3 = 30 points
5.2 = 15 points

*Prospects without an assigned rating will count for no points. All FBS committed prospects will have a rating once evaluated and rankings are updated.

 

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jaggs

January 23rd, 2014 at 3:09 PM ^

some context to the numbers? Like how this class is 16 and uncomplete when others are 22+....

 

I think if anything, these numbers show Michigan fans' reluctance to tweet @ recruits. Other teams are doing it more often, and that is likely leading to our class getting worse and theirs getting better. Tweet on, and you should probably friend them on FB as well.

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TIMMMAAY

January 23rd, 2014 at 3:00 PM ^

I've been thinking much the same. This year has to go well (I think it will), or we're in trouble. Like, the type that could make the RR years seem like nirvana. We can survive one bad year of recruiting, but more than that becomes very tough to overcome. 

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westwardwolverine

January 23rd, 2014 at 3:02 PM ^

We have a small class. In average star rating we are 13th.

In 2012, we were 9th.

In 2013, we were 7th.  

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LSAClassOf2000

January 23rd, 2014 at 3:33 PM ^

I did a diary on a similar topic just last year and I have this information. In the last 12 complete cycles (2002 to 2013), we have recruited successfully 13 five-stars and 125 four-stars per Rivals, and Ohio State has 17 five-stars and 130 four-stars in that same stretch. I would say that these are reasonably comparable. I think that we each have one five-star this year (going from memory) but we have maybe 6 four-stars to the Buckeye's 13, which again, small class. 

In any case, we should remember that since Rivals began ranking recruits, Ohio State and Michigan have picked up about 60% of all the five-stars and a little over 40% of all four-star recruits, which would make their average class star rating (even when accounting for size) pretty comparable, at least before any attrition. 

On a mod note, I suppose I could leave this for a bit if people really want to dissect the best measures using the ratings (avg. star rating is a good one, I think), but it may come down eventually. 

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ericcarbs

January 23rd, 2014 at 3:01 PM ^

-_- I don't understand this post

 

Also this year, we are 4 members shy of the 20 they grade it on. So when others are getting graded on total points of 20 guys (besides Georgia I believe), we are getting graded by a total of 16 guys. so that 27 ranking should have an asterik or something.

 

Someone posted yesterday by adding 4 members of our average ranking and we are 16 or something like that.

 

Lastly, we won't be ranked that high next year either as we are taking like 13 guys.

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A Dude

January 23rd, 2014 at 3:01 PM ^

The class only being 16 kids and rivals isn't as high on them as other sites. Espn has our class ranked higher as 9? Of the 16 are in the espn 300.

Our class is filled with good kids who love Michigan. I'm not worried about a ranking after the last few classes being so big and no attraction from them.

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ish

January 23rd, 2014 at 3:02 PM ^

the narrative is pretty simple, actually.  hoke came in and exceeded recruiting expectations, if those expectations are measured against onfield performance.  his onfield performance also initially exceeded expecations.  then as onfield perfomance worsened, and so did recruiting.  it's not that complicated.

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gutnedawg

January 23rd, 2014 at 3:14 PM ^

he says it in the calculation... rivals uses the top 20 rated recruits to calculate their points total so since we have less than 20 guys we lose a significant amount of points. 

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tdcarl

January 23rd, 2014 at 3:07 PM ^

Also, insert bit about the attrition of RR's classes that we haven't seen from Hoke's classes. It's been covered on the front page quite thoroughly 

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AZBlue

January 23rd, 2014 at 3:10 PM ^

That the RR classes really were ranked on signing day players not those that actually made it on Campus (Damn you D. Dorsey!). This "attrition" and true attrition helped inflate the class sizes and thus rankings through even Hoke's first 2 classes.

A final note/opinion is that Hoke and staff have done a better job building a team/addressing needs rather than the chasing of athletes that I feel RR was somewhat guilty of. (This from a HUGE RR supporter at the time.)

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Sac Fly

January 23rd, 2014 at 3:10 PM ^

You can't compare star rankings between Hoke and RR.

The classes Rodriguez brought in may have been filed with 4* players, but most of them were 5'9 slot receivers and DE/LB tweeners.

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Blue Mike

January 23rd, 2014 at 3:11 PM ^

I'm not sure what you are seeing, but what I see from that is after RR's classes started falling off, Hoke has brought them back in line with where we expect them to be.  I'm assuming you are looking at the fact that our "ranking" is always lower than OSU's "ranking", but I see both of us sticking in the top 8 in 2012 and 2013.  Seems like recruiting is going just fine to me.

Worry about the 2014 class when it is complete and all LOIs are accounted for.

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Dr. Explosion

January 23rd, 2014 at 3:12 PM ^

Hoke's highly ranked recruiting classes have made it to and stuck on campus.  RR's... not so much.  Also, the 2010 class should have been ranked far lower than 21.

Finally, this class is not done and, while low on numbers, could still be high on quality.

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denardogasm

January 23rd, 2014 at 3:13 PM ^

This is an incredibly weak argument.  Just wanted to join the disapproving crowd.  Small classes unaccounted for, only one site referenced, comparing RR to Hoke without noting that Hoke actually, you know, recruits all the positions on the field (at sizes that can actually compete against the big boys).  I really don't know why you posted this, especially considering you have 14,000 points.

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alum96

January 23rd, 2014 at 3:14 PM ^

As others have said this year is a small class so its hurt overall ranking.  Even if it wasnt a small class one year in the 20s doesnt mean squat if you have proper coaching.  MSU, Wisconsin, Stanford regulary recruit in the 30s and 40s and do just fine.  One non top 15 year is not an excuse.  UM has no excuse for talent per CROOTING.   This is the type of stuff to hand wring over if you are competing with Bama.  UM is at the stage it is trying to be a top 3-4 team in the Big 10 annually.

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