I thought this was really interesting. It helps explain why he wasn't given as thorough a look for the Michigan DB job as he or some others wanted. I know WTKA had a huge talk about race the other day. Apparently it wasn't a racial issue, rather an issue of ability.
http://www.nesn.com/2011/02/corwin-brown-just-wasnt-a-good-coach.html
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Greg Mattison?
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True
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The article is terrible
I was looking for a button to jump to the next page...and it didn't exist. A high-schooler could have written that. It doesn't finish properly, doesn't specify anything, and the only bit of relevant information is in direct opposition of this so-called "source."
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OK, is this Corwin or
OK, is this Corwin or Michael?
What?
This is an entirely plausible story that is hamstrung by journalistic incompetence. Am I not allowed to point that out?
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Sounds like we did our
Sounds like we did our homework on this one. No wonder Brown was so upset - he probably knew he was a goner in New England.
So what's the evidence of this "homework"?
An anonymous source? After dealing with "anonymous sources" around here for the last few months, I prefer to have some quotes attributed to actual people.
The fact that he was fired
The fact that he was fired from his assistant-to-the-DB coach position is reason to believe the sources.
Michael Taylor should
Michael Taylor should probably shut up now. I think we dodged a serious bullet by not hiring Brown, especially after reading this article.
I still think he'd be solid
I still think he'd be solid as a co-recruiting coordinator with Singletary or something in that capacity.
Do we really need him?
We already have Mattison with a great recruiting resume and Hoke is a defensive coach so I doubt we will need help getting defensive players. I'm still wondering why we never offered Loeffler a job, was there really no room for a QB coach or has Borges always been OC/QBC?
Racist
Obviously the author is a racist.
/S
- SMH
wait
so people who post on blogs dont know everything?
Well this makes me feel
Well this makes me feel better if nothing else
Wish there was more
I wish there was more to the story. I can't say that this article offers enough to change an opinion one way or another; more of a "confirmation bias" thing if you were against the idea of Corwin Brown as DB's coach or whatever. Personally, I value recruiting more than x's and o's in a DB coach, but that's just preference. And we may have badass recruiting accounted for (as well as badass x's and o's) with Mattison already running the D.
Sorry, but I want a
Sorry, but I want a good/great coach over a good/great recruiter. From what I heard Gibson was a good recruiter, and we all know how grand of a coach he was for us. Besides, we have the best recruiter in college football in Mattison, and he also happens to be a very good coach. Hoke is also a good recruiter, as is Borges. For a DB coach, from what we've seen the past three years, you def. take an Xs and Os guy over a recruiter.
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I admit a limited knowledge
I admit a limited knowledge on the inner workings of a football coaching staff, but I don't believe the position coaches work a lot in teaching x's and o's to players. They are in there mostly to teach technique to players i.e. explaining how to take a proper angle, tackling, coverage technique, etc. I think Corwin has shown he doesn't yet have the chops to be a successful DC at this level (x's and o's), but as others have stated, it's kind of difficult to evaluate for better or for worse how good a position coach is at his job.
This is why position coaches need to not only be able to properly teach technique but perhaps even more importantly at the college level, must recruit extremely well. This job is seen as arguably more important than being a great position coach. I think there's a middle ground here. Hopefully for Michigan, coach Hoke found the guy he thinks will be successful at both duties and that's all there is to it.
I value the coaching aspect over recruiting in a DBs coach
because if the coach is excellent and can develop talent and get the most out of the player, then younger players will want to play for that coach to improve their skills and prep for the next level. Being able to recruit is important, but if you're a great coach that will help you recruit more than just being able to talk the talk.
As the old saying goes, if you are really the best at something, you shouldn't have to tell anyone. If you do then you must not be the best, because if you were they would already know.
Michael Taylor has a great fondeness for Corwin Brown and wanted to see him get the job. The coaching staff hired who they thought would do the best job. End of story. I seriously doubt race was ever a factor, except in Michael's eyes.
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Your values are confirmed
Your values are confirmed annually by The Zook and his great recruiting/bad coaching.
it's worth pointing out
that this is according to "a source". which is probably the least informative description of a source possible. it doesn't even say if the source was with the team or not.
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True -- the headline should be "Brown Fired"
That's all we really know -- the Patriots fired Corwin Brown after one year.
That article was nearly as
That article was nearly as sparse as the majority of my posts
Did I miss something?
What is this: "he had experience as a player in Bill Belichick's system," referring to?
"After all was said and done, there was nothing left to do."
Corwin played for the Jets
So I assume they crossed paths then.
Thank you for a courteous
Thank you for a courteous answer.
"After all was said and done, there was nothing left to do."
He probably knew he was out...
and thought he would get a job at Michigan as a nice cushion to soften the blow. No wonder he was so upset when Hoke didn't hire him.
How do we know this "source"...
...wasn't just a pissed off player that had something personal against Corwin? It's hard to base anything off of one anonymous source.
Combine it with the fact that
Combine it with the fact that Hoke wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole atleast gives it legs.
I don't like the current ratio...
...but there is no way I would ever accuse Brady Hoke of racism. The Michigan "tree" is a good ol' boy network, and it is mostly white, but I think it's more a case of Hoke hiring those with whom he is comfortable. Also, Sam Webb was adamant that race played no role, and went so far as to say that when race is cited when it plays no part, it trivializes actual cases of racism. Since Webb's sources are probably a lot better than ours, I tend to believe him.
I think the system is at fault. It's like the recommendations in courses on preventing medical errors. When incidents happen, you are always supposed to find the systemic flaw instead of scapegoating individuals, even if they were "at fault." The way the system is right now, white players are generally percieved as "heady" while black players are generally percieved as "athletic."
I don't mean this as an absolute by any means, but the perception is still there in far too many cases. Until this and other errors in perception are corrected, the ratio will continue to be one of the biggest injustices in the NCAA. I advocate a 50-50 ratio, but it isn't going to happen under the current system. I just hope to actually see it someday.
As for Brown, a lot of people seem to think the real reason he was passed over for consideration was because he used negative recruiting practices against Michigan while recruiting for ND. At least he still has a pretty good job.
A 50-50 ratio is not
A 50-50 ratio is not representative of the racial composition of general population, nor is it a representation of the racial makeup of college football players. I'd be curious to hear the thinking behind your advocation of that ratio...
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I've read a lot of horrible
I've read a lot of horrible articles relating to sports on the internet. This probably ranks in the top 5. Quote: "Patriots players were frustrated and annoyed by...Corwin Brown." Wow. And the source? At least say "a source on the Patriots team" or "coaching staff" or "staff" ....anything like that would've sufficed.
Also for those saying how it's obvious why Corwin Brown was so upset about not getting the job at Michigan, I don't think it was Brown that ever complained about not getting the job but Michael Taylor making a big scene of it. Logic seems to suggest that Brown was likely disappointed but doesn't necessarily have hard feelings toward Hoke.
I think you have to assume
I think you have to assume Corwin might have passed along info to Taylor. At least, that is what people appear to be assuming. Otherwise, Taylor saw that Corwin wasn't hired and immediately flipped out and made it a race issue. Actually, I suppose both are plausible.
Which Boston radio station will Michael Taylor call first?
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