yes plz
Confirmed: Floyd, Hagerup, Hawthore suspended
December 16th, 2012 at 1:13 PM | 
interesting.... one of
interesting.... one of
December 16th, 2012 at 1:12 PM |
Hagerup's third offense
Hagerup's third offense
Will he ever be back? I am doubting it. Hoke has too much class.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:15 PM |
I was gonna say the same
I was gonna say the same
I was gonna say the same thing. Time for the guy to move on. As for Floyd, this hurts the most due to the fact that now we're moving Avery to his spot and bringing in a freshman? to play slot? Way to let the team down guys
December 16th, 2012 at 1:13 PM |
so they all got busted for
so they all got busted for
so they all got busted for doing the same thing at the same time? Whatever Will, Brandin and JT's Excellent Adventure was, I hope it was legal
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December 16th, 2012 at 1:32 PM |
There's no indication they
There's no indication they
There's no indication they were all doing the same thing. Hoke (annarbor.com):
"It is an honor to play football for the University of Michigan, and we have high standards and expectations for everyone that represents our program," coach Brady Hoke in a statement. "These young men used poor judgment in each circumstance, and these suspensions are teaching moments for our team."
I automatically downvote "B1G"
December 16th, 2012 at 1:21 PM |
what???
what???
where is Raymon Taylor going and why would Avery start over him?
December 16th, 2012 at 1:20 PM |
Interesting -- and clever -- PR move by Hoke...
Interesting -- and clever -- PR move by Hoke...
...in anouncing the move of Dennis Norfleet to CB. Obviously, Hoke knew that there was going to be a big hole at CB. But rather than wait until the news of Floyd's suspension broke, he announces it early. So that essentially Norfleet gets his own day in relation to the position switch, and that fire burns itself out, and then only later everybody can say, 'Aha!; so that's why he did it!'
If Hoke has waited until Floyd was announced as gone, and then later said, 'And so now we are switching Norfleet to that position,' it taints everybody in a way that he avoided. The other CB's on the depth chart would have looked bad. Norfleet would have looked even more like a panic option.
Don't get me wrong; the facts are the facts and they are all pretty obviously linked. We all can make a pretty clear guess about what is going on. But I still think this was a model of p.r. cleverness.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:43 PM |
What?
What?
What?
Every time an MGoBoard poster complains about a thread topic, God kills a baby panda.
December 16th, 2012 at 3:05 PM |
You were expecting cogent
You were expecting cogent
You were expecting cogent thought?
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December 16th, 2012 at 1:19 PM |
How about that JT Floyd,
How about that JT Floyd,
How about that JT Floyd, guys? Is it finally okay for me to criticize him, after he's been burned all year and now gets suspended before his final college game?
December 16th, 2012 at 1:30 PM |
Criticize the CB endlessly
Criticize the CB endlessly
Not only burned, but horrific run support for 3/4th of the season (late recognition, weak on squeezing point-of-attack, spotty tackling). I'm baffled by him manning the spot 95% of the time - backups must be even less capable.
I would reserve the castigation for off-field as this is the only character issue I know about. Feel free to over-ride with more info.
"Everybody wants to be a hero, so to speak. But it takes everybody." - Charles Woodson
December 16th, 2012 at 1:46 PM |
Shouldn't you be praising him
Shouldn't you be praising him
Shouldn't you be praising him now for removing himself from the field?
Jokes aside just about every corner we've had in the past 5 years have been getting burned a decent amount outside of Donovan Warren (ARGH MORGAN TRENT) . I don't really consider JT Floyd worse than the other guys we've put out there and I definitely see him as the best option out there.
"I'm the guy who does his job. You must be the other guy."
December 16th, 2012 at 1:59 PM |
Man I bet JT wishes he went
Man I bet JT wishes he went
Man I bet JT wishes he went to the NFL last year now. /toosoon?
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December 16th, 2012 at 2:11 PM |
Too soon, man
Too soon, man
I'm still not over Donovan Warren.
"I'm the guy who does his job. You must be the other guy."
December 16th, 2012 at 1:39 PM |
When we don't know what he
When we don't know what he
When we don't know what he was suspended for?
He did pretty well last year against some tough receivers and survived this year for whatever reason until Ohio State. He's never going to be an elite athlete and turned into a pretty effective player after three years of being coached by Gibson. What do you want to criticize? That he's not an NFL player? We knew that. We also knew that after trying literally everything else that the 2009 defensive backfield should have always been him opposite Warren as the corners.
There wasn't a moment in his career, including the Outback Bowl this year, that I didn't think Michigan would be better off without J.T. Floyd. Criticise him for whatever; as he won't play for Michigan again I'm comfortable saying on the whole I was glad to have had him.
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December 16th, 2012 at 1:45 PM |
Is there something that he
Is there something that he
Is there something that he could have been suspended for that should be defended?
I don't necessarily think there would have been a better option this year. Unfortunately, we're thin at cornerback. But that doesn't mean he's beyond criticism. I took heat regularly for pointing out his weaknesses, his unwillingness to tackle, his lack of speed, etc.
This year it seems like everyone's come around to the idea that, yeah, maybe he's not so good. But based on that one nice interception he made last year against Illinois, I had to sit through several months of people trying to tell me that I was wrong. Well, he still isn't very good, and now he's suspended.
I would never say that I wish he would have gone somewhere else or anything like that, but I am certainly looking forward to the day when Michigan can once against put two guys on the field whose abilities are superior to those of Floyd.
December 16th, 2012 at 2:04 PM |
Do you think Raymon and
Do you think Raymon and
Do you think Raymon and Countess are better? Meaning that if Countess recovers from his injury, both our corners next year will be better than Floyd?
Call Mr. Plow, that's my name, that name again is Mr. Plow
December 16th, 2012 at 2:35 PM |
I think Countess is better,
I think Countess is better,
I think Countess is better, and Taylor can be - and maybe is - just as good.
December 16th, 2012 at 3:29 PM |
I think Taylor will be better
I think Taylor will be better
I think Taylor will be better next year than Floyd has ever been. Taylor seems to have the speed/athleticism neccesary and is also physical. Like you pointed out, Floyd is very un physical and not very fast. I remember multiple plays this year when he literally ran away from blocks - I think we will be better next year.
December 16th, 2012 at 3:35 PM |
Just out curiosity, how do
Just out curiosity, how do
Just out curiosity, how do you feel about the backups? Let's just assume that the 2013 class doesn't bring in any "start immediately" studs (because that's rare).
You've got Hollowell and Richardson, and then Avery and now Norfleet, most notably. If something like this year's events happen, assuming Countess and Taylor are starting, do you feel good about one of those guys stepping up? Obviously it's early to get a feel for how guys are gonna show next year, but I'm just looking to get a feel for the consensus.
December 16th, 2012 at 3:41 PM |
We will return 3 corners who
We will return 3 corners who
We will return 3 corners who have playe a lot off football, a sophomore who was a top 150 recruit, and a guy who has been a good special teams player.
I think optimism is warranted.
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December 16th, 2012 at 3:47 PM |
How much PT did Richardson
How much PT did Richardson
How much PT did Richardson get this year, if any?
December 16th, 2012 at 4:16 PM |
Special teams, garbage time.
Special teams, garbage time.
Special teams, garbage time.
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December 16th, 2012 at 3:49 PM |
Richardson should be ready
Richardson should be ready
Richardson should be ready for playing time so long as he surpasses 165 pounds by then. Avery will probably remain at NB/3rd CB for the duration of his career.
December 16th, 2012 at 2:27 PM |
It's one thing to acknowledge
It's one thing to acknowledge
It's one thing to acknowledge that a player has weaknesses. It's something different to continually bash said player and point out those weaknesses week in and week out. Kid has worked hard here and seems to have made the most out of what he had to offer. He made a bad decision and that will end his career at Michigan on a bad note but no, it's not now ok for you to bash him. He has been punished.
Forget about the curveball Ricky. Give him the heater...
December 16th, 2012 at 2:38 PM |
It works both ways. Kids who
It works both ways. Kids who
It works both ways. Kids who deserve to be praised week in and week out get praised. Likewise, weaknesses are pointed out, too.
December 16th, 2012 at 3:13 PM |
Why bother? You're a dickhead
Why bother? You're a dickhead
Why bother? You're a dickhead with a soft porn Michigan blog. Call Jim Rome or something.
wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog
December 16th, 2012 at 6:10 PM |
Life is rough
Life is rough
But based on that one nice interception he made last year against Illinois, I had to sit through several months of people trying to tell me that I was wrong.
Life is rough.
"The difference between a man and a boy is, a boy wants to grow up to be a fireman, but a man wants to grow up to be a giant monster fireman."
- Jack Handey
December 16th, 2012 at 10:26 PM |
I dunno...I can't really
I dunno...I can't really
I dunno...I can't really judge college kids as well as their coaches can since I did some dumb-ass shit in college.
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December 16th, 2012 at 3:00 PM |
stop being a fucking asshole.
stop being a fucking asshole.
stop being a fucking asshole. You're actually happy Floyd fucked up so you can be proven right (as if his suspension justifies your view of his play), which is all you ever care about.
What a shit stain you can be.
wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog
December 16th, 2012 at 3:17 PM |
Who said I'm happy? I'm
Who said I'm happy? I'm
Who said I'm happy? I'm annoyed that these three got suspended. All I'm saying is that I criticized him for his poor play and took crap for it, and this year . . . he still hasn't been very good and got suspended.
But I guess you can just sit there and call me names without acknowledging the actual point of my statements.
December 16th, 2012 at 3:27 PM |
You took criticism! THIS
You took criticism! THIS
You took criticism! THIS ISN'T FUCKING ABOUT YOU. It's about JT Floyd - not some grudge some amateur Meril Hoge has been nursing because people disagree with him. Who are you, Skip Bayless?
Nobody gives a fuck how Floyds suspension impacts an argument you had about his play. And you taking a moment to gloat about being "right" (even though this has nothing tomdo with his play), does indicate some happiness, yes.
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December 16th, 2012 at 3:50 PM |
My point is that his career
My point is that his career
My point is that his career is finished at Michigan, and he never turned into the guy that many people on here kept telling me that he would be.
It really has nothing to do with his character. I am not happy. I would always rather Michigan players/teams have success than for me to be right, since I'm an alum and fan of Michigan.
If you think I'm happy, that really has no bearing on me. You don't know me and can't judge my emotional state from your computer in Chicago (or at least that's where I assume you are).
December 16th, 2012 at 4:01 PM |
I was right!!! Magnus is a
I was right!!! Magnus is a
I was right!!! Magnus is a dick hole!!! All about me. I am going to go make myself a pie.
or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:53 PM |
Read your post again.
Read your post again.
You basically say "because he got in trouble am I now right he was a sucky player?"
That there's absolutely no logical connection between the two is a glaring weakness in your reasoning; and the fact you even try to make the connection makes it look like gloating.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
December 16th, 2012 at 9:53 PM |
I just re-read my post, and
I just re-read my post, and
I just re-read my post, and it doesn't say what you think it said.
Perhaps you should read it again.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:44 AM |
no, it does. Per usual,
no, it does. Per usual,
no, it does. Per usual, you're disinegnuous as hell.
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December 17th, 2012 at 12:39 PM |
If everyone reads it one way, and it's not how you intended
If everyone reads it one way, and it's not how you intended
It's probably a problem with the author, not the reader.
But lets look at it...
How about that JT Floyd, guys? Is it finally okay for me to criticize him, after he's been burned all year and now gets suspended before his final college game?
First "How about that JT Floyd, guys?", said in a jocular, sarcastic way, making fun of his situation.
"Is it finally ok for me to criticize..." the I told you so part, showing that you're glad to be right as you make fun of the player's bad decisions. Imparting that you're glad he did something stupid, just so you could be right.
"after being burned all year and now getting suspended before his final college game", which shows logical discord. "Now that he also did something stupid, am I right for saying he played badly?" There's no connection. There are guys who never do anything wrong who play badly, and guys who are great players who screw up all the time. If you were wrong before, JT doing this doesn't make him a worse player. And if you were right, had he not gotten in trouble you wouldn't have been any less right. It's HA, he's a screw up, so he must have been a bad player. What?
The only purpose of it is if you're trying to gloat about "being right", because there's absolutely no if A and then B = C in the statement or happenings. So you're either trying to justify your point, or just making a ridculously stupid analysis. I didn't think you were that stupid, so I went for the former.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
December 17th, 2012 at 12:46 PM |
Then maybe it's a problem
Then maybe it's a problem
Then maybe it's a problem with the way I wrote it. Regardless, it's not what some people think it is.
I see the connection. If you don't, you don't. Oh well.
I've expounded on my intention elsewhere in this post, so I won't explain it again here.
Anyway, I'm obviously a huge Michigan fan and do not enjoy when Michigan loses. I would rather be wrong about a player and have him turn into a superstar, instead of being right and having him cost us games/points. I would think that the fact that I post here so much and have a vested interest in Michigan doing well that this stance would be obvious, but I guess I'll just have to post more and make it even more obvious that I'm rooting for the program...
December 17th, 2012 at 12:49 PM |
Not one single person claimed
Not one single person claimed
Not one single person claimed you weren't a Michigan fan. Strawman.
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December 17th, 2012 at 1:00 PM |
No one was claiming you were Section 1.
No one was claiming you were Section 1.
And the meaning of the post might be different than it came off to some.
But the one thing I don't get - is what was the meaning and intent of the original post, if not to gloat due to some player's...misfortune? Stupidity? There was a reason to hit reply, type, and send. I just don't see any other one.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
December 16th, 2012 at 3:40 PM |
Magnus, you're a very
Magnus, you're a very
Magnus, you're a very valuable and informative poster around here, but I have to agree that you're wrong on this one.
You've previously criticized JT Floyd for not being very good at cornerback. And I think you're more or less right about that. But you can't say "HA! I told you so!" about this, because the reason you were down on Floyd previously had absolutely no relevance to any possible character issues. So go ahead and criticize his play on the field. And once we have a few more details, you might be right to criticize his character (or at least his judgment) as well. But the two don't connect, and it's disingenuous to pretend that this somehow conforms what you've said all along.
That being said, your football analysis is always interesting and worth checking out. Cheers.
"The straightest line from A to B is straight: From A to B"
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~George Walden
December 17th, 2012 at 9:11 AM |
My point is:
He's not very
My point is:
He's not very
My point is:
He's not very good.
Now his career is over.
He never got very good, so is it okay for me to criticize him now that he doesn't play for Michigan anymore?
If that didn't come across in the first post, then so be it. But I'm certainly not happy that he (and the other two guys) got suspended, because that obviously lowers our chances of winning the game.
Anyway, I'm glad you appreciate my football analysis.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:26 AM |
MememeIIIYou still seem
MememeIIIYou still seem
Me
me
me
I
I
I
You still seem to want to discuss how Floyd's dismissal impacts you. Get over yourself.
People disagreed with you. You take it as a persecution complex. It's hilarious.
wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog
December 17th, 2012 at 2:30 PM |
Honestly, I have trouble
Honestly, I have trouble
Honestly, I have trouble buying that. The way your OP read (before people started calling you out for it) was straight-up gleeful. Now maybe that was just a really inept piece of communication, but to me and everybody else on this thread, it looked, walked, and quacked like a duck. We all have to take our lumps sometimes, even if we're always right about everything and we're just poor, misunderstood souls.
"The straightest line from A to B is straight: From A to B"
"When you have Denard Robinson, you can have everything"
~George Walden
December 17th, 2012 at 2:39 PM |
Oh well.
Oh well.
Oh well.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:04 PM |
Nobody gives a flying fuck
Nobody gives a flying fuck
Nobody gives a flying fuck about who you think is good because you don't know anything about it. You know just as much about the players as anyone else who has a computer.
or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.
December 16th, 2012 at 3:22 PM |
Yes sir. I sat reading
Yes sir. I sat reading
Yes sir. I sat reading Magnus' response thinking the same as you, but telling myself don't reply, don't reply.
We have 3 young men on M suspended and missing the bowl game, two of them, their last college game, and Magnus is concerned with convoluting their misfortune to his questionable opinion of a 3 year starting corner.
December 16th, 2012 at 3:21 PM |
He always has been.
He always has been.
He always has been.
or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:24 PM |
Will Hagerup must be a huge
Will Hagerup must be a huge
Will Hagerup must be a huge Tyrann Mathieu fan.
THOSE WHO STAY WILL BE CHAMPIONS
interesting.... one of A2.com's lead sports stories is about two more South Carolina players being suspended (WR D.L. Moore, and OL Kyle Harris)... no mention of the UM players... yet.
EDIT: Nevermind.... it showed up while I was typing this.
I automatically downvote "B1G"