Beilein gave team option to forfeit; Walton banged up during accident
Someone pointed out he was favoring one of his legs during warmups.
Well, he sustained a cut during the accident. His thigh got stitched up. He then went out to destroy Illinois and lead the team in scoring with 19 and 5 assists.
Beilein also gave the team the option to forfeit. Article from BFQuinn. Scary stuff.
When the team buses reached campus, team members congregated in the locker room. According to Beilein, "I said, 'We have two choices and I'm with you either way.'" Those options: Forfeit Thursday's game or fly into Washington the next morning.
Players spoke to counselors. Then they had a team meeting.
It was the second noteworthy team meeting of the season.
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There were honest moments, again, in Wednesday's meeting. It was an open forum. Some players did not want to get back on a plane. The voiced their fears.
"Everyone is connected enough that no one felt uncomfortable expressing doubts or hesitation," Lonergan said.
They decided the old-fashioned way.
"Majority rule, pretty much," Walton said.
The star point guard was among those feeling apprehensive. In the wreck, he sustained a cut near his thigh that required stitches. He couldn't quite imagine getting back on a plane. An unquestioned team leader, Walton didn't speak in the meeting.
"I didn't know what to say to them," he said Thursday. "I was focused on what just happened. Basketball was the last thing on my mind. I didn't really care."
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2017/03/after_the_accident_mi…
Great team leadership. And I'd have been fine if they had forfeited the game. I will admit to questioning Walton and Irvin on the court, but they have always carried themselves well in the Michigan uniform, and it sounds pretty clear that they were instrumental in this team making the decision they did to get to the game. And the team seems extremely connected.
Also, I hope this is used as even more evidence that the AD did what his team wanted, and that him not throwing his metaphorical dick around wasn't because he was afraid of conflict. It also sounds like both MSU and PSU would have been fine moving the games around, but the team wanted to play at noon.
Great win, and glad that everyone is healthy.
The article says nothing about whether other teams were willing to move the game around.
Sam Webb is on record saying UM requested last night to move the game time today and were denied.
Delany made some kind of offer once the team had already risen early and made their way to the plane. At that point they were in preparations and waiting any longer wouldn't have helped them out at all.
You take a nice story and you have to stuff in your crummy point which flies in the face of what is being said by a guy who is as plugged into Michigan Athletics as anyone on the planet.
What Sam said is what it sounds like. Because that's what happened.
And he's not saying that as a criticism of Warde. He is saying it as a criticism of Delany.
I think this effectively kills the Shon (not Suga Shane) Morris point.
The way JB handled the situation yesterday was great. I would expect nothing less from JB. However, that is completely separate from how he performs on the court. You're inappropriately using this instance to further your steadfast opinion that JB is a great coach, when in fact this has nothing to do with coaching. These are mutually exclusive things.
God shut up
...dick. That is all.
You are using this instance to attack anti-JB people for some reason when it has nothing to do with it. And you sound even worse when you say,
"the vast majority of the complaints I read here, which is, essentially, 'if it takes cheating to win, Michigan should cheat.'"
I don't think I have ever heard anyone on this board say anything close to that. And if someone did, its certainly not the vast majority. Your propaganda machine is on max power.
You're missing the point entirely
when in fact this has nothing to do with coaching. These are mutually exclusive things.Actually, no, leadership and getting your team to believe in you and follow you are inextricably linked with coaching. In fact it is utterly impossible to coach without them. That's not a personal opinion, it's well known.
I suspect it was the sanctimoniousness of your post that engendered the downvotes--and I wasn't one of the downvotes.
March 10th, 2017 at 12:04 AM ^
I'll own up to the sactimony. I have been intensely frustrated by some of the posters on this topic, and I let that get to me. A tip of the cap to two of the more prominent anti-Beilien folks for stepping up to defend their position.
WindyCity: I forgot about the complaints about Beilein's offense, which generally comes down to toughness -- despite the fact that his offense is effective. It's a style question and not one that an internet discussion is liable to solve.
My take on the on-court issues is simple, and mirrors my approach to football. There are two components to the game -- the part that I know enough about to be critical, and the part that I don't. If a coach does well in the part that I understand well enough to inform an opinion, I'll consider him a good coach. Beilein is an analytical-minded coach whose biggest flaw -- in terms of the things that I understand well enough to judge -- is his auto-bench policy, which seems to be somewhat mitigated this year. (We've seen some players return in the first half with two fouls, although it's probably still not frequent enough). I don't know enough to be able to judge him on his approach to, say, defense except to quote the numbers, which suggest that (a) he hasn't been good at it this year, (b) the team's improving, although it may just be statistical noise and (c) they weren't nearly as bad as they appeared to be the first couple of weeks of the Big Ten season, becasue nobody in the KenPom era has ever been that bad. (I'm speaking specifically about three-point percentage allowed -- that was a statistical fluke which has since corrected itself, likely by luck).
As a counterpoint, Brady Hoke was inexplicably bad at the parts of football that I understand well -- most egregiously, clock management. Brian frequently rails about "hiring a teenager who knows Madden," and he's right -- game theory in general, and clock management in particular, are better understood by many children than by Coach Hoke. So, he didn't get the same benefit of the doubt, because if he couldn't do those parts of the job well, how could he done the rest? Still, I supported dismissing Hoke, not because he wasn't winning -- a lot of luck goes into that -- but because I could see areas where I could coach better than he could, and if that's the case, there are probably a lot of other guys who could do the same. :-)
Anyway, tl/dr there is you're right -- I was exaggerating when I said "vast majority." It might be 51%, it might be 35%, or it might even be 20% -- but it wasn't 90%, as I implied. Please accept my apologies for the overstatement.
Stringer: Yes, but do people value his character? The most successful coaches in college basketball frequently appear to lack moral fiber, to one degree or another. If Beilein is replaced by someone of lower ethical standards who wins more basketball games, would there be outrage from the anti-Beilein community? (I'm specifically not singling any person out here, BTW -- it's entirely possible that both of you would be outraged but that the overall community would not). For me, though, that would truly be Michigan selling its soul (thanks, Stuart Mandel).
It was not my intention to start a flame war, though. I think that the people on this thread, on both sides, all want the best for Michigan; let's enjoy the ride together and see where this team can go. That might be further than any of us thought six weeks ago...
Go Blue!
I'm not anti-JB. Dear lord!
Yes, simple.
I was led to believe it was because Delaney is a manifestation of human excrement, Manuel is a weak-willed, fat loser who stabs his programs in the back at every instance, and this was also somehow payback against Harbaugh.
I suspect you can figure out which half
Actually, Michigan requested that the game time be moved yesterday. Delaney and the BIG refused. They decided this morning to go back on that and offered to change the gametime (because he probably realized what an incredible douchebag he was going to look like). Beilein chose to play the game at 12:20 because he was worried about the mental fatigue if the game were played a few hours later. Per Sam Webb.
So, in summary, Delaney is every bit the asshole we thought he was last night.
Of course Delaney is a total douchebag. Anyone thinking otherwise hasn't been paying attention for 25 years.
Honestly, I'm totally ok with both approaches.
I laughed out loud
This is so true.
Speight: If we just take off running now, we can make it to DC for the kickoff.
Harbaugh: [smiles, a single tear runs down his cheek]
Fortunately, Speight's first instinct is usually not to take off running.
Amen. After what happened yesterday, and the team's outstanding response today under Coach B's leadership, I think we can all agree on one thing:
Subs for everybody - 'cause it's been crazy.
Sorry for DP
Sorry for DP