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I used to buy Four Roses…

I used to buy Four Roses single barrel at grocery stores no problem (e.g., Meijer in Ann Arbor). Now I can't find it anywhere, ever. What the hell happened?

It was a lighthearted jab. I…

It was a lighthearted jab. I'm not shaming anyone.

Just because someone has more sense of humor than you doesn't mean their joke is shaming.

I've tried so many times to…

I've tried so many times to get into Dresden Files and just cannot get hooked.

Things get slow in the…

Things get slow in the middle of that series, but the ending is fantastic (and by ending I mean like the last 1 million words, lol). Brandon Sanderson finished out the series after Robert Jordan died and he did a phenomenal job.

Further, I'd agree with those who have posted previously that anything written by Sanderson is worth the read, but particularly all of the many Cosmere books (start with Mistborn).

Not the only one.

Not the only one.

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This isn't strictly true,…

This isn't strictly true, right? You can have a penalty for breach of contract that the Universities could pursue. Like when coach's leave schools before their contract is up, they have to pay said University their buyout.

If you coupled it with a per…

If you coupled it with a per-year recruit cap instead of a total scholarship cap, it would work. That would be my preference; no incentive to screw over any players (recruits or current players).

I don't have the discipline…

I don't have the discipline to watch film to comprehend any intricacies of strategy and I find this type of tell-me-like-I'm-5, low-jargon explanation very valuable. The figure with the thought bubbles is particularly elucidating. Well done.

And when you look at a…

And when you look at a basketball game recap do you prefer to only know each player's shooting percentage and shot attempts per 40 minutes? Or do you also like to see the final score?

Proposal, we could put all…

Proposal, we could put all the inevitable OT posts as comments in this thread all summer instead of board posts.

I haven't been involved in…

I haven't been involved in any of the Wonderlic conversation, so this may not be new insight, but 9 is so low that it indicates to me that he didn't try. You would expect that score just by guessing without reading any of the questions at all. So I would assume that's probably what he did. There may be some insight regarding his effort, but I can't believe it means anything at all about his intellect.

If you are really committed…

If you are really committed to the simultaneous thing, you could do it in a play-by-play basis. Spot the ball for both teams at the same time with a single play clock after every play. It would work, and it would be relatively fair. It could even create some amazing moments where one team has scored on the play and the ball is just being snapped by the other team, creating a do-or-die moment that wasn't anticipated until that very second. I could see it being cool, but I think it has some headaches and the viewing experience for fans would almost certainly be worse because you're going to miss things in one "game" while watching the other.

My bad, didn't mean to come…

My bad, didn't mean to come across so harshly. I was honestly just preempting a response about presenting information and not trying to make a point about the 247 rankings themselves with that last statement (with maybe the tiniest bit of snark, admittedly). Text remains bad at conveying tone.

I'm saying it's not really…

I'm saying it's not really relevant what some website says about who is in our recruiting class based on public verbal commitments. Even random people here on mgoblog were pretty certain that Hamilton would flip if he received an offer from Stanford, so the staff surely had some idea this could happen. It was devastating, but not shocking, when that very thing happened. In contrast, it sounds as if the staff were completely caught off guard by Wilson committing to Georgia.

Are we just arguing semantics here? Seems like it, but if not then you're arguing that we only had one good chance that went the wrong way late at getting a talented (highly rated) OT and I'm saying there were two.

They only mean more…

They only mean more potential excitement in the game because they take so little time off the game clock and thus add more plays to the game. If that's the argument for kickoffs staying in the game, then you should also support adding any rules that add more plays to the game in general, as those could all potentially be exciting as well. For example, stopping the clock whenever a ball carrier goes out of bounds, not just in the final minutes of a half.

(caveat, I also am fine with kickoffs becoming more prevalent)

Defender grabs the ball when…

Defender grabs the ball when the ref spots it and chucks it into the stands. Delay of game penalty issued. Rinse and repeat until your offense scores on the other side of the field. Yeah, the real-time idea is not thought through.

Why would you kick on third…

Why would you kick on third down from the 50 in that situation if OT is sudden death anyway? There's zero downside to waiting, don't see how that's an example of adding strategy.

I think the sheer number of…

I think the sheer number of times is because the media keep asking about it. I do not find it suspicious.

While I agree with your…

While I agree with your points, I think the title is fine. It is reasonable to make a claim (this is the most talented offense) and then proceed to provide evidence of that claim (247 recruiting rankings). Whether you are convinced by said evidence doesn't mean the title is bad.

Both Turner and Wilson are outside the top 247.

Are you sure? Not talking…

Are you sure? Not talking about publicly. Anyway, we'd just be arguing semantics. I would argue that Isaiah Wilson not playing for Michigan was more surprising for UM's staff than Hamilton not playing for Michigan.

I'm sorry, but the only way…

I'm sorry, but the only way to protect that amateur domain is through regulation. You can't argue that the NCAA should impose no rules and only set up national title competitions while also saying that there needs to be a drastic increase in rules about how programs are run. Where will those rules come from if not the NCAA? I don't expect Alabama to voluntarily fire Saban and hire a coach willing to be paid $200k in the name of protecting amateurism.

My interpretation is simplistic because it is, in fact, a simple scenario. Your argument that forcing Universities to obey a regulation about salary caps is "not so much regulating" is false. Just because there's a reason behind a regulation doesn't change the fact that it is a regulation.

My only intention was to point out the logical inconsistency in the post and that it wasn't a cohesive argument.

Even if just the first, say,…

Even if just the first, say, five players listed were to leave it would suck.

This is an interesting…

This is an interesting observation. I think it could be a touch misleading and part of the reason is we don't really know what the offense will look like. For example, do we think DPJ, Black, and Collins are all on the field at the same time or is it more likely there's a Sainristill/Martin slot kind of receiver for 3 WR formations?

And I'll add that it could be 10 of 11 rather than 9 of 11 if Isaiah Wilson had stayed committed as well instead of going to Georgia.

I also don't understand what your last sentence has to do with the rest of your point. If you're trying to make a statement about depth or something, you could be more explicit.

I think you don't understand…

I think you don't understand the metric being used here. Samuels, Evans, McDoom, Mbem-Bosse, Irving-Bey, Malone-Hatcher, Hall, and St-Juste don't count because they were ranked outside of the top 247 as recruits. Hudson, Solomon, Singleton, Asiasi, Walker, Crawford don't count because they transferred out before their third season. Malone-Hatcher (again) and St-Juste (again) don't count because they medically retired.

Literally not a single player you named will affect 247's rankings here at all. Players that would fit the category that you are proposing:

Brandon Peters (assuming he transfers), Drake Harris, and that's it.

If your point has nothing to do with the article, then you're right.

Also means we get no credit…

Also means we get no credit for developing guys like Maurice Hurst, Chase Winovich, Ryan Glasgow, and Karan Higdon. Nor likely future drafted players Khaleke Hudson and Josh Uche.

First point: "The NCAA needs…

First point: "The NCAA needs to regulate more, all the way down to how much staff are paid!"

Last point: "The NCAA shouldn't regulate at all!"

Okay yeah. I'm not saying…

Okay yeah. I'm not saying there aren't recruiting shenanigans going on. I'm saying this federal testimony doesn't create evidence that we have recruiting shenanigans going on.

I feel like that has to be a…

I feel like that has to be a copy and paste error, right? Especially given the "(Pure speculation on my part with no insider info/order by position)" caveat at the beginning of the attrition watch list.

This specific testimony is?…

This specific testimony is? The only reference I saw for that is that a Penn State staffer tried to recruit a current player into staying instead of going to the NFL. If you're talking about recruits being paid in general, that's not what I mean.

I know you're making a joke…

I know you're making a joke here, but I'm curious if he would have gotten his money's worth or not. His goal was to get players to choose him as a financial advisor once they went pro, not to get players to play at Michigan (at least that's not out there yet). Is there any way to see what players chose him as a financial advisor?

This doesn't look like…

This doesn't look like players were paid to go to any of these schools. This was a financial advisor paying players already at these schools to pick him as their advisor when they went pro. If true, it still means ineligible players were played.

I think this guy was paying…

I think this guy was paying players already playing college ball. So while it would mean player ineligibility, it doesn't look like a recruiting thing (yet).

I had that too, the Light…

I had that too, the Light Boy!

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This wouldn't be the same…

This wouldn't be the same spot since it came nearly at the end, but in the eighth dungeon (Turtle Rock), there was a random wall you had to bomb to find a switch that let you go through a room way way later in the dungeon. There was no indication or hint about that wall and it took me what felt like years to find it.

I think the more plausible…

I think the more plausible explanation is that Calipari's advantage grows if teams can't use grad transfers to compete with his team. His proposal of the rule is self-serving as it doesn't impact his ideal recruit.

Only college hockey programs…

Only college hockey programs can submit bids. This would have to be taken up by the UM athletic department itself.

This rule is good for…

This rule is good for coaches that primarily recruit players that are 20 or older from Junior teams. This rule will make it harder for colleges to get talented 18 year old freshmen. This would be a fine rule if there were also a rule to limit the age of incoming freshman, but as it stands it's a rule that benefits the same coaches Brian is complaining about that have a stranglehold of the post-season format at the expense of teams like Michigan.

Amusingly, it was John…

Amusingly, it was John Calipari who allegedly first proposed this rule, whose favorite type of recruit doesn't care about getting a degree in any amount of time.

I find it amusing that your…

I find it amusing that your curmudgeon comment here used the word "clue" when suggesting that the only way to predict the future is to know the future with certainty. In fact, you have a great deal of clues at your disposal, but you choose the curmudgeon route regardless.

Your last sentence made me…

Your last sentence made me rewatch the highlights from last year's game; I recommend watching those. I'm not saying that as a counter-argument, because for the most part your point is correct. I'm just saying I recommend watching those highlights because that was a happy time.

Part of my concern is that I…

Part of my concern is that I think what's more important than who is starting at DT is who is seeing the field for significant snaps at DT. We go from Paye and Mone in 2018, a solid pair, to Jeter and Paea, by your estimation, in 2019. Maybe that's fine, but I think it's way too early to be sure of that. Compounding the fear is that our 2018 offense was all ball control and slow pace, meaning fewer snaps for the DTs than what we're likely to see in 2019.

I also think you're underselling the loss of Devin Bush. He would just RUIN the offense's plans over and over and make TD saving plays all by himself when things went awry.

And finally, I believe we need a very solid pass rush for our defense to be truly successful. So even if Hutchinson and Danna are good options (which I'm hopeful about, but it is not guaranteed), are they going to get to the QB with consistency given our DTs may not be able to collapse the pocket?

All in all, I'm not panicking about the defense, but I think there's more than enough evidence, or at least uncertainties, for a step back in production to be expected.

I disagree, BPONE says…

I disagree, BPONE says Malzone transfers there, looks awful all year but OSU gets by on their talent at other positions. Then the last game in November Malzone throws for 500 yards and 6 TDs. BPONE.

Presumably one must be a…

Presumably one must be a student at Notre Dame to be the leprechaun. I believe OSU sometimes has honored guests who are not students dot the I. Since I prefer to imagine a future in which my child is not a student at either of those places, I choose dot the I.

I'm pretty sure the Tathan…

I'm pretty sure the Tathan waiver doesn't happen without the Fields waiver breaking the damn open. But I agree, any denied waiver at this point is inconsistency from the NCAA. Not that that would be particularly surprising either.

I feel like McGary's legacy…

I feel like McGary's legacy you've given him is not very fair. I'll always remember him for his 2013 NCAA tournament performances first.

Your points are valid, but…

Your points are valid, but even, so that makes this year's attrition the second worst rather than the worst, so I believe my point stands.

I do fear the habit of comparing our basketball program to MSU's every step along the way is going to be a pretty frustrating thing next season. They're likely to be a national title favorite for most of the season and the B1G will be theirs to lose. If Michigan is in a position to stand in the way of those things for (a healthy) MSU, something went very very well for us.

The only other year where we…

The only other year where we lost three starters early was after the 2013-2014 season and those three players were already performing at close to their ceiling (though debatable). Of the three starters we're losing this year, Poole and Iggy were expected to improve for next season, possibly dramatically.

With this in mind, understand that the disappointment people have is because of the change between what next season could have been with Brazdeikis and Poole and what it looks like without them; not comparing what next season looks like without them to Beilein's average. I don't think many people expect Michigan to be a B1G bottom dweller; the sky is not falling. But the emotional reactions are because of the disappointment that we're not likely to be title contenders when it looked like we would be.

Now I will say that your agglomeration of the information here is nice and well presented, so thanks. But I think the takeaway from what you've put together is actually that this is one of the most harmful-to-roster early exoduses that have happened in Beilein's tenure.