Since the "Names to Watch" article I posted about Mr. Savage spun ridiculously out of control, I thought I'd try to forget about that and relay some actual information. After all of the commenting and counter-commenting tonight, Teryn himself posted on the board to say that it's really no big deal, he's not offended and his opinion on Michigan has not changed. He also told me that he is talking to Coach Hecklinski tomorrow about setting up his visit, possibly for the Minnesota game.
BBrown: Teryn Savage Update
Please lock this thread!
I can't decide if I love the internet or hate it.
I believe the correct answer is yes.
you were my favorite wrassler when I was a kid.
I just read that thread and to be honest I can't find the insulting part. Is it the part where they said he looks young? Maybe it's because I'm 22 and people still tell me that I look like I'm 15, but I don't find people saying that you look 2-3 years younger insulting at all. Or is it leftrare's weird comment about only being interested in girls on a recruiting site (which I didn't get)?
Brandon solid work, glad to see your efforts haven't been damaged due to some idiots.
agree to disagree
This is not an "agree to disagree" scenario. The user Butterfield is about as close to objectively wrong as you can get.
Wow. Seriously? Right or wrong, why not just step away from the keyboard for a bit?
^This. Regardless of which side of which argument you fall on.
People, this isn't hard. If you want to argue about something on the internet, fine, do it (just not here). But if you EVER think that trolling sounds like a good idea, you need to step away and take a few deep breaths.
That's what I had to do yesterday in the original thread - I thought about commenting, I really did. I typed some stuff in the box, then I thought to myself "no, just don't even throw your hat in the ring. This fire needs no more fuel." Sometimes, for me, the smartest thing I can do is to say nothing.
Seems that you are feeling all high and mighty now that the proprietor of the site called you out by name. This isn't 'Nam; there are rules.
Here you go, sir, read it yourself:
Because I do not see Butterfields name among those mentioned
...I've about had it with the tone of many comment threads. Butterfield and chitown, I'm looking at you. All you do is get in fights. If all you post is how other people aren't living up to your standards, leave. There will be a benighted place for you somewhere in this crazy internet.
It was an...interesting...tangent.
And all of us go "full asshole" at times. But with all the shit that slides here (you mentioned one) the people he choose to call out by name, I found...odd.
Also, I for one, feel left out.
Chitown has just been banned.
It feels like a purge is coming and quality veteran posters are going to be the primary victims of it.
When I see the vast majority of long time MGoPosters, people who I've come to e-respect over the years, lining up almost categorically on one side of the issue, and a few of them getting banhammered and/or reprimanded for it....that tells me something.
The blog just became less interesting. I hope this is not the start of a trend.
As long as you're of like mind.
Chitown banned, huh?
Didn't see that coming
How do you know that, btw?
Brian stated as such earlier in the "Appparently I have to..." thread, and then that portion of the thread was 404'd.
I don't care to comb through MGo archives for threads to support my belief, and it wouldn't be worth it anyway, as you are indeed delusional. (This truly isn't about just you, but you are the one currently discussing it.)
You and others have indeed taken tone or stance against people numerous times on this board. Yes, perhaps there are some like Section1 who go out of their way to rankle your feathers... Most times however it's one of you just trying prove less worldly/savant some poor poster who disagrees with you. You are indeed either delusional if you don't realize your actions, or, you truly take some form of perverse enjoyment from it, sitting there playing dumb while cackling aloud and rubbing your hands together behind your keyboard.
The fact that any of you have provided witty, insightful material at times does not excuse your normal behavior. Condescending attitude does not jive with acting like you're somehow taking the higher moral road all the time.
Finally, the whole "Brian isn't fair because he's only worried about making money..." meme is just tired, and naive. It's an easy cheap shot. It's the ultimate example of trashing someone while sounding righteous. You and most of these others need to decide if you can post in a civil manner, or move along, or get caved by The Man. If it's so like living in a dictatorship around here, for your own health and peace of mind, find a nicer sandbox to play in.
Completely agree. Specifically, I found Chitown to be nothing more than a condescending, know-it-all blowhard. That guy was arguing with someone in almost every post he made. I, for one, will not miss him.
"That's what puts food on the Cook table."
Seems easy to pick out. It's something you and others always fall back on. The idea that he captains this conformity-laden vessel called mgoblog, solely for the sake of $$.
It may not have been relevant to the original topic, but as usual, when it came to defending your opinion, you went straight to the notion that you're up in the higher moral ground crow's nest, while he is in your theory ignoring the moral rocks while navigating to Dollar Island.
It's a DISSERVICE to someone/something that has always been first and foremost a labor of love, and I can't believe none of you realize it/are more thankful for it. I certainly wouldn't have had the patience to keep some of you around.
And since when did putting asshats and trolls in their place become such a feaux pas on the board? It used to be heavily encouraged.
It seems like a lot of people now consider honest disagreement to be trolling or spreading negativity.
type this slowly enough for you (and other pretentious blowhards who think because they have a million points that their opinion means something) to understand: the vast majority of the MgoCommunity do not come here to read you and your posts. We do not need you to be our moral compass. We do not need to have every little gol damn thing you people disagree with argued down to the tiniest of slivers. We do not need you - or Brian for that matter - telling us how to spectate properly or be a proper fan.
I don't agree with half of Brian's problems with DB, this is one of the very few times anyone on this blog will know about it.
I don't care about UFRs. So I don't fucking read them.
I don't care about breaking down plays. So I don't read those posts.
I don't care about soccer. So I don't read about that.
I have only a passing interest in UM Hockey so whenever I see a thread or a blurb about it I lightly scan it or ignore that piece/section altogether.
I think Mathlete has a pretty good following here and I can see a lot of his content is valuable to a lot of the MgoCommunity. I could not care less about breaking things down into that level of minutia so I don't read him either. I hate to even single him out because there's no need for me to mention it other than trying to point out to you people how easy it is to just STFU.
Point? Point. I don't have such an overly bloated opinion of myself and my epinions as to feel the need to comment on EVERY gol dammned thing I disagree with on this blog. Take some advice, we don't need to know every effing thought that pops into your damn heads every effing day. Sometimes, please, just shut up.
Why don't you just skip the comments too and make yourself happier?
Because you've eliminated just about everything else on this site....no one is really sure why YOU read it.
I'm perfectly happy. I'm usually happy when I'm on the blog. It's just the incessant hand wringing by a number of posters and the eternal bitching just to bitch. Take a break. Not everyone needs to see your epinion every effing time you don't agree.
Yes, I could just skip by anything those people write and I usually do. It's just this time I happened to catch someone thinking the "old guard" is somehow made up of posters to be revered. I'm pointing out that that's not always the case.
That's easy for you to say when your name isn't tied to every word that gets posted on this blog.
Can that conversation stay in the other thread? Take Mr. Brown's post for what it is and leave it at that.
The industry is undoubtably grimey, but just because MGoBlog does partake in elements of the industry doesn't mean people can't express concerns about the level at which the blog partakes in this industry. Scout, Rivals, etc do a lot of things that MGoBlog choses not to do and I don't see the issue with people on the blog expressing concern about how deep into that industry the blog staff dives.
After all, it was called the MGoCreeper Van because when TomVH started out, lots of people jokingly expressed concern about a dude driving around to various high school games for the express purpose of posting footage on the internet. Moving forward with hudl pages and all that the game has changed. That being said, it is still an ongoing discussion. Both posters and staff comment negatively on some of the offers made to 8 year olds by coaches, so it stands to reason different people would have different thresholds for where that age cut off is.
Such reasoned concerns might get you the ban hammer.
Can M-Wolverine be next, please?
I would much rather read about a potential recruit than the tales of meeting your in-laws. At least recruiting information serves a purpose.
is mind numbing. This blog's success is largely contributed to the recruiting news.... news that drives the traffic here and helps to keep this blog free. Is there any among you who can say that you haven't enthusiastically clicked on a "Hello" post?
Let this sink in..... Every high school football recruit is a minor.
Debating an age that would be appropriate for recruit contact is futile. Age is a terrible measure in determining whether 14 to 17 year olds are mature enough to have conversations with recruiting "analysts." I think there is a valid argument that a 14 year old would be less naive than a 17 year old who has had it beaten into his brain by everyone close to him that he is the best thing since Barry Sanders. And what is getting permission from parents and coaches really going to solve? For every noble coach and involved parent there is another who, intentionally or not, is fully engaged in the exploitation of the athlete.
We all acknowledge that recruiting is getting a little obnoxious. So where does this blog go? Recruiting services aren't going away. Either we keep up and we continue to enjoy one of the best fan websites in the internets, or we don't.... and this blog goes away.... and some of us go to pay for the exact same information that we see here, some of us go to the next free website that steps up to replace this one, and the rest of us go sit on the rocker on their fronch porch waving their cane at all the kids that step foot on their lawn.
The more realistic solution is that the site lives on and that the recruiting contributors stay respectful and appropriate (in terms of how they contact these young men and the questions they ask), which they have been, and that those responding to posts about potential recruits be respectful and appropriate, which, infortunately, not everyone has been.
For people getting salty when the owner of this blog feels that a particular user is behaving in a way that reflects poorly on the blog and the owner.... Why wouldn't there be consequences?
...are generally written well in advanced based on good feelings that Ace, et. al., have had during their interactions with the respective recruit? Just saying......
My point is that the fanatic demand for recruiting information is not going away, regardless of whether or not MGoblog exists. Attacking the contributors of this site, because you don't agree with all of the tactics prevalent within the recruiting manifestation is asinine. Especially since, based on everything that I have seen, the guys on this site have been nothing but appropriate in how they've contacted and interacted with these young men.
The basis of the concern is valid.... however, these aren't strangers chatting up your son or daughter while they are walking home from school. These are guys that are known amongst recruits and their parents to be recruiting analysts.
And summarizing my opinion as me saying that we should "just deal with it" is terribly near sighted. Having a problem with the big picture behind the recruiting phenomenon is fine.... but expecting MGoblog to not participate is unrealistic, especially since recruiting information is arguably the lifeblood of the blog's survival and what drove a good portion of us to the blog in the first place. An alternative to not participating is to be respectful and appropriate when communicating with the kids and nothing that I have seen tells me this isn't what is happening.
...that my original comment was a response to CRex's post and not yours.
I really wish I could see that whole picture sequence.
I'm staying as far away from all these threads as possible but had to at least drop in and say; I've always enjoyed your addition to this blog MGoShoe. Thank you.
Good to hear
Seems like a mature young man. No one wants to hear that they are young, but obviously he saw it for what it is. A bunch of us old people acting old. In can be a good thing, but not always.
Great news. Thanks Brandon.
Thank you. This is great on a night when there hasn't been much, "great".
he's applying joint compound to drywall. Having just spent the last month on an extension ladder painting my house, this photo gave me the willies and made me laugh at the same time.
very glad to hear
It did seem that too much was being inferred from that tweet.
He did say in his post that at first he was really insulted but changed his mind after reading the respect thread.
Is this trolling for clicks night? Dude, putting up the update is great, but why allow comments? You HAD to know it wouldn't go well.
Hope something like this never happens again, but I think with more and more interviews going up more and more comments like these will pop up
I don't really see why you put this post up. It won't change how people feel on the "stop talking to 15 year olds without their parents permission" tangent (and actually more likely to get them riled up in this post as well) that the other thread got off on and it won't change the reactions to the "new policy" that Brian declared.
That being said, I am happy he is not offended.
his post contained some actual recruiting news. Correct me if I'm wrong, but his job on this site is to post recruiting news.
Plus, I think we all saw the post in the previous thread. I agree with several posters above, in that this either needed to be locked or wasn't needed at all.
I personally am not a fan of reports going around on Twitter and saying "follow me back" because it seems like begging to me. That being said, if the kid falls into the trap of letting any Tom, Dick, or Harry from the internet interview him, then he'll likely soon learn how much of a burden it can be. At that point he can continue giving interviews, or he can stop. I've seen kids do both. There are some kids who fall off the recruiting radar as they get ired of the process.
I also think some of these kids work on playing football well, attending camps, etc. for the notoriety. They like being interviewed. They like having their pictures plastered all over the internet. It's affirmation of their talent and hard work. They might not all make it to the NFL and get rich, but the "fame" is perhaps half the fun. For all we know, Teryn Savage is going to be a fairly highly touted recruit, and then he's going to fall to the bottom of the depth chart or get injured or just be mediocre (or, of course, he'll be great) and perhaps high school will be the highlight of his athletic life.
I e-gree to a certain extent, however...
The reporters, in this instance, are adults.
The 15-16 year olds are kids.
Why are we putting the onus on the kids when have supposedly have adults in the room.
That seems like an abdication of responsibility, and it's one I'm not comfortable with.
I understand interviewing 15 and 16 year olds is looked upon as being a necessary evil in the context of obtaining recruiting information.
However, twitter spamming and facebook stalking are not.
Sorry to double post but I feel like this point deserves it's own post...
Also, imagine if MGoBlog covered women's sports and women's high school recruiting.
How would most users feel about an adult male contacting 15 and 16 year old girls on Twitter, writing "follow me....follow me," and facebook stalking them for information, sans parental consent?
Followed by slapping their picture up all over the internet?
Just something to think about.
Maybe I'm sexist or stupid, but I think that's a whole different ball game. [I think] women are more sexually exploited, at least in American culture, so that would and should be a bigger concern. There are going to be negative things that would happen in either situation, but the vast majority of men can be interested in boys' high school sports without it being sexually awkward. I do not think the same could be said for girls' sports, where softball players, volleyball players, etc. are objectified and coveted for their looks.
I just want to throw it out there that talking to a recruit on a message board or tweeting at him, especially with "GoBlue" could be considered a secondary violation under NCAA contact rules. I say this because we had a recruit visiting the 11W forums and getting lots of upvotes and comments and it raised a call from the compliance office. Just something to keep in mind, I know there is a fine line.
The greatest value out of reading this thread is the +1 I just acquired from hitting save.
Might I remind everyone it was three short years ago we were discussing the entrails of three of the longest seasons anyone with a heartbeat can recall.
This must be how the chocolate cake tastes if grandma didn’t first wash her hands after mucking out the horse stall.