B1G Scheduling Rulings
I have not seen anything about this in the past. Just saw this on ESPN and thought it was interesting.
The Big Ten has approved BYU, Army, and ND to count as Power 5 schools for when they will require at least one out of conference game to be against a Power 5 conference opponent starting in 2016. They will also count UConn and Cincinnati out of the AAC.
This year we would have 3/4 against "power 5." MSU could apply for a waiver b/c they went on the road to WMU and I believe they still have a trip to EMU in the future.
link:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/13716412/big-ten-approve…
September 22nd, 2015 at 12:38 PM ^
"Rudner added the league would evaluate any other non-Power 5 schools -- programs in the AAC, Conference USA, Mid-American, Mountain West and Sun Belt leagues -- brought up by a Big Ten school and decide whether they would count as Power 5 opponents based on their RPI rankings in recent years and other factors."
So, it looks like they only made rulings on teams B1G teams are actually scheduled to play? Otherwise I could see quite a few non-Power 5 teams arguing they are equal to or better than Army.
September 22nd, 2015 at 12:39 PM ^
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September 22nd, 2015 at 12:54 PM ^
September 22nd, 2015 at 4:31 PM ^
Army?
September 22nd, 2015 at 1:02 PM ^
There are 3 Independents in FBS: Army, Brigham Young and (sort of) Notre Dame. Navy is a member of the AAC and Air Force is in the Mountain West Conference.
This is just a badly-worded story (intentionally, I suspect). What the Big Ten actually ruled is that independents count as members of Power 5 conferences. Which, whatever.
September 22nd, 2015 at 4:33 PM ^
So playing a relatively weaker independent counts just because they're an independent? B1G!
September 22nd, 2015 at 8:45 PM ^
September 22nd, 2015 at 1:07 PM ^
Because Navy and AF are weak sauce.
September 22nd, 2015 at 2:03 PM ^
September 22nd, 2015 at 12:43 PM ^
September 22nd, 2015 at 12:47 PM ^
I agree. Notre Dame and BYU, I agree. Service academies are not power 5 caliber teams. AAC members are LITERALLY not Power 5 schools. This isn't a rule; it's a suggestion when you give it this little teeth.
September 22nd, 2015 at 12:59 PM ^
I believe this is just to accomidate some of those teams that have already been scheduled. I would hope they do not count going forward if they haven't already been scheduled at this point.
September 22nd, 2015 at 12:43 PM ^
Why don't we leave ND off this list? Sick of their special treatment and rules being made for them. "To Hell with ND"
September 22nd, 2015 at 1:29 PM ^
The rule change doesn't benefit ND directly and is not being made FOR them. It is for the strength of schedule component for ranking comparisons of other teams.
I hate ND too, but this isn't a reason to hate them.
September 22nd, 2015 at 4:36 PM ^
"...this isn't a reason to hate them." Respectively, I disagree. I can hate on them for any reason or no reason at all.
September 22nd, 2015 at 12:44 PM ^
I'm sorry, but playing at Ralph Waldo Emerson stadium on a Friday night before classes start is not the same as going to VTech to play the castrated turkeys or us going to Utah.
September 22nd, 2015 at 1:03 PM ^
September 22nd, 2015 at 2:30 PM ^
That depends. Does that MAC school you're going to use a TE and FB or does it run one of those pansy ass spread offenses?
September 22nd, 2015 at 3:21 PM ^
Dunno, let me check to see if Kliff Kingsbury remembers.
September 22nd, 2015 at 12:48 PM ^
Scoreboard, beeches!
Oh, and "Hi" to you too, Penn State.
#FightFightFightfortheCherryandtheWhite
September 22nd, 2015 at 12:51 PM ^
September 22nd, 2015 at 1:05 PM ^
they appear to have a power 5 (plus nd and byu) scheduled every year through 2021. They have a home-away with boise state 2022-2023, so that would have to fall under the exception ruling, if they are not a part of a P5 at the time.
September 22nd, 2015 at 12:53 PM ^
so reasonable. But this is an issue only if you need to change a future schedule due to power conference constraints to bolster SOS requirements for the conference and rating purposes.
I think this might apply more to say Michigan State going forward. As I recall Michigan had scheduled a game with Army back when Lloyd was the coach, and this was after Virginia Tech with Michael Vick still in the program, was being considered for a post-championship season opener at the Meadowlands. That fell through, because Lloyd didn't want to play it and Michigan then scheduled Army which subsequently backed out.
Since then, of course, Michigan has played Air Force under Hoke with Denard in the program, and the game result was sort of like what MSU experienced last weekend, one of those where you're more happy to come out with the win without admiring what it took to get it.
And, now, Michigan faces BYU, which it hasn't faced since Bo was the coach and Michigan in the throes of his worst season with Harbaugh on the shelf and the team playing in the Holiday Bowl in San Diego, a great bowl site, or place to visit any time. And the Wolverines lost that game. So, now the Cougar Blue whose unis aren't so far removed from Penn State vanilla, come to A2 for one of those early season challenges that looks extremely inviting on paper.
I guess we can credit Brandon for this one and his Western omelet-themed preseason. Good test and an interesting matchup.
September 22nd, 2015 at 1:41 PM ^
Don't we have Army scheduled again for 2019?
September 22nd, 2015 at 6:10 PM ^
FBSchedules.com shows Michigan opening the 2019 season at Arkansas on August 31 with Army being the home opener on September 7. By the Big Ten's rule, Michigan has two acceptable Power 5 or Equivalent teams for that season.
The same goes for 2020 and 2021. Michigan has two home-and-home series with Virginia Tech and Washington those seasons. U-M opens the 2020 season at Washington and then plays Ball State and Virginia Tech at Michigan Stadium. The 2021 season opener hasn't been announced yet, but Week 2 is at Virginia Tech (9/11/21) and then Washington comes to Ann Arbor in Week 3 (9/18/21).
Michigan also has home-and-home series with UCLA (2022/3), Oklahoma (2024/7) and Texas (2025/6). The 2023 game at UCLA and the two games with Texas appear to be season openers.
IN 2016, Colorado fills the bill and the 2017 season opener with Florida in Dallas, Texas also fills out the Big Ten's requirement. All the games mentioned above were scheduled by former AD David Brandon (with the exception of Army).
See http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-ten/michigan-wolverines.php
According to http://www.fbschedules.com/2015/07/michigan-army-2019-football-schedule/, Michigan will pay the United States Military Academy $1.5M to play in Ann Arbor. Army currently leads the series 5-4. This game was announced back in July and is the first contest that interim AD Jim Hackett and HC Jim Harbaugh have put on the schedule.
September 22nd, 2015 at 1:04 PM ^
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September 22nd, 2015 at 1:25 PM ^
is not that they are necessarily universally including them ----- but they are allowing Indiana, who had already scheduled series with each of them prior to this "B1G scheduling mandate" to include them for 2020-2023.
If say, a school like Rutgers scheduled UConn for the 2026-2027 season, (e.g., something that's already not on the schedule), that wouldn't count.
Maybe I'm wrong though --- that's my understanding of this based on discussions on some other message boards.
September 22nd, 2015 at 7:52 PM ^
Their 2016 schedule has no P5 opponent until Cincinnati was added. The programs this helps out in the out years are Illinois, Indiana, Nebraska, and Purdue. Minnesota and Maryland have some rescheduling to do, especially Maryland. The Turtles don't have any OCC teams on their 2016 schedule that even hints at P5.
September 22nd, 2015 at 2:00 PM ^
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September 22nd, 2015 at 2:06 PM ^
Starting in 2016, the Big Ten will not allow any league members to play FCS opponents once any future games that were already under contract have been played. The Big Ten is the only FBS league that will not allow its league members to play FCS opponents.
I actually didn't realize we were the only one with such a rule, and I don't mind that we have such a rule either. I am actually just a little amazed that other conferences didn't make a similar restriction once the playoff format was set.
September 22nd, 2015 at 2:14 PM ^
... my suggestion is that we do a group stage of 4 teams each. Then the best teams from each group of 4 get put into a Leaders group, then they play each other, and so on.
What do you guys think?*
*Note, I do not care what you think. It's an awesome idea.
September 22nd, 2015 at 2:15 PM ^
Unless they are much stricter with scheduling that has not yet happened, the P5 rule seems pretty toothless. If the whole point is to improve the conferences strength of schedule issues, it makes no sense to allow non-P5 schools to be included as an exception. Non-P5 schools have to be really good to get the SOS bump of even the bottom feeder P5 schools. You simply can't guarantee that will happen 3-5 years down the line.
September 22nd, 2015 at 7:57 PM ^
Has some serious scheduling work to do. Not only do they not have a single P5 scheduled they also need to replace Howard University. We'll see how strict the B1G is when it comes to that schedule and to Minnesota's 2018 schedule.
September 22nd, 2015 at 2:36 PM ^
thought this would be discussing the announcement the MSU would be returning to the Big House next year too
September 22nd, 2015 at 3:01 PM ^
September 22nd, 2015 at 8:01 PM ^
Year in and out would be a respectable mid-level P5 team. They've certainly enjoyed greater success over the last seven years than has Michigan.
September 23rd, 2015 at 7:17 AM ^
September 22nd, 2015 at 4:15 PM ^
for example Army, Troy and North Dakota State scheduled in the future is a-ok?
September 22nd, 2015 at 6:22 PM ^
North Dakota State is a FCS team and the Big Ten is looking to prohibit any B1G team from playing teams in that division (such as Iowa's annual game with Northern Iowa or Illinois playing one of the directional FCS teams in their state, etc.)
But yes, Army and Troy are "legit" in the eyes of the Big Ten and the USMA counts as a P5 equivalent.
I suspect one of the reasons this rule has been put in place is due to the television contract negotiations that are about to take place between the conference and the networks. Having an inventory of games that doesn't include any FCS programs is probably considered a value added proposition by the B1G (and hopefully, by the networks). The same goes with going to a nine-game conference schedule--it lowers the opportunity of putting tomato cans on the non-conference schedule.
The question that the UM Athletic Department may be dealing with is how many P5 teams (or equivalents) do they want to put on the non-conference schedule? Michigan has two in 2020/1 in VIrginia Tech and Washington. There are open scheduling slots in 2018/9 and Michigan already has a home-and-home with Arkansas those two seasons.
The same discussion goes with the year extending out to 2027 when Michigan has home-and-homes with UCLA, Oklahoma and Texas. Does U-M opt to play a second P5 team in the non-conference schedule in those seasons or not? If yes, what sort of opponent do you pair up with the Bruins, Sooners and Longhorns during the next decade? Do you go for some of the P5's lesser lights such as Vanderbilt, Wake Forest or Duke? Do you go for a middle of the road program like California or North Carolina or Texas Tech?
I doubt U-M would go for a second blue chip team on those schedules, so the idea of Notre Dame being on any of them until 2028 doesn't seem very likely (unless one of the home-and-home series I mentioned above is moved or postponed).
September 23rd, 2015 at 7:12 AM ^
September 22nd, 2015 at 6:51 PM ^
I was hoping this was going to be about them fixing the problem of MSU/OSU being on the same home/away rotation on our schedule.
September 22nd, 2015 at 7:18 PM ^
September 22nd, 2015 at 8:05 PM ^
Maybe, though they already have Ohio State scheduled for 2017 and Michigan for 2019.
September 22nd, 2015 at 9:37 PM ^
September 23rd, 2015 at 6:39 AM ^