3&OUT: RR and Staff didn't get Gator Bowl rings?
I just finished my copy of Three and Out and, like many of you, I am sorting through some very conflicted feelings. First of all, I would say that I found the book is a great representation of the last 3 years with a lean toward defending RR, while still acknowledging mistakes that he made and pinpointing a few key moments that if handled differently could have made his Michigan tenure more positive and probably long-lasting.
There were several parts of the book that tugged at my emotions and changed my perceptions, and anyone that followed the program the last three years had to feel that as they read this book (both pro-RR and anti-RR). I was certainly disappointed in the way the RR hiring was handled, disappointed in the way RR handled many situations as the head coach, and disappointed in several people in key positions to support RR that did not. I agree that we are in a good position where we are today with Brady Hoke, and I am excited about the future and turning the page.
All that said, perhaps the thing that astonished me the most at the very end of the book is that John U Bacon mentions that all of the players and personnel that played in the Gator Bowl got Gator Bowl rings despite the loss. Rich Rod and his staffers were not sent rings, and John U seems to imply that it is because they were not thought to be Michigan Men. When I read that, I said out loud "Really? Unbelievable..." After all of the work that they put in, and everything that they went through as a team they don't even deserve a commemoration of their culminating game? They were the coaches of the team that got to the Gator Bowl. That isn't in question. Granted, its not like they are being denied their national championship rings, but it is still just one final jab to a coaching staff that endured many. I, for one, was extremely disappointed to read that.
November 14th, 2011 at 1:16 PM ^
November 14th, 2011 at 2:11 PM ^
to be fair, I believe the severance would have been in the $3M range had they fired him before the bowl game. he probably should have been given a ring.
November 14th, 2011 at 2:47 PM ^
Yeah, his assistants were treated so well too!
November 14th, 2011 at 3:19 PM ^
November 14th, 2011 at 3:46 PM ^
They all have jobs now? Where's Greg Robinson? Where's Adam Braithwaite?
November 14th, 2011 at 3:56 PM ^
Adam Braithwaite is defensive coordinator at Christopher Newport University (wha?).
Greg Robinson now owns a mining company in Australia. He de-aged 20 years.
November 14th, 2011 at 4:23 PM ^
November 14th, 2011 at 1:57 PM ^
Thanks Dudeness. I felt the same way after finishing the book.
November 14th, 2011 at 2:28 PM ^
It's sad that the only person who didn't act like a "Michigan Man" was the one doing the hiring and firing for the University of Michigan. Bo taught DB better than the course of action he took on many levels. AAMOF, DB has done quite a few things that would have had Bo wanting to pin him against a wall and say, "WTF are you doing?"
I only disagree with one thing in Dudeness' post. I feel that DB's actions won't ever come back to bite him on the butt. DB's teflon coating is so thick and strong that any teeth would just slide off. He'll still be telling everyone how great he is when he is 80 years old.
November 14th, 2011 at 2:33 PM ^
What do you think about Bo firing Ernie Harwell? I thought Bo did nothing wrong in firing Ernie and I think Brandon did nothing wrong in firing RR.
November 14th, 2011 at 2:49 PM ^
How long was Ernie at UofM? Honest question.
November 14th, 2011 at 3:00 PM ^
Ernie was never at UofM to the best of my recollection.
Do you believe Brandon had legit case for firing RR? Honest question
November 14th, 2011 at 3:11 PM ^
Was Bo the GM of the Tigers? I am lost with how Bo firing Ernie relates to DB firing RR.
I think there is no way any coach can be deemed a success or failure in 3 seasons (unless he lied on his resume, beat up his wife, etc.) and I believe RR only was genuinely given 2 (NOBODY was winning with the 2008 team save Carr).
So no I don't believe DB had a legit case for firing RR.
November 14th, 2011 at 3:23 PM ^
That's cool but that's where we disagree. I was on record, somewhere on this blog, for RR getting a fourth year no matter what. However, I certainly can see where DB could come to the conclusion that a change was necessary.
November 14th, 2011 at 4:06 PM ^
We were absolutely obliterated by tsio and Mississippi State, we gave up 458 points total...what else do you need?
November 14th, 2011 at 2:52 PM ^
Two things:
1) Bo didn't fire Ernie Harwell. That's a myth among MSU slaps. It was already confirmed to be Jim Long, then-president of WJR. Long doesn't deny it.
2) Why would there be "nothing wrong" with firing Ernie Harwell?
November 14th, 2011 at 3:17 PM ^
There was nothing wrong with firing Ernie because Bo thought he was slipping as a broadcaster and said as much publicly. I like Ernie, but I too thought he was slipping as an announcer in that time period. I think his leave of absence did him well. Ernie was much better when he returned to the booth.
I was just getting used to Rick Rizz and "GOODBYE BASEBALL"
You can see from this 1990 LA Times article where the idea that Bo fired Ernie came from. It seems to have come right from Ernie.
http://articles.latimes.com/1990-12-19/sports/sp-6462_1_tigers-fire-ernie-harwell
Harwell said he suggested being re-evaluated after 1991 with his return possible, but, "Bo was very forthright, which I appreciated, and he said, 'We have decided that we really don't want you to come back.'
November 14th, 2011 at 3:21 PM ^
Scott Shafer disagrees with your assessment. Sometimes, breaking up ain't easy, as RR can attest from both sides.
November 14th, 2011 at 1:19 PM ^
I think this was already brought up on the boards here, and the general consensus was it was a dick move by Michigan
November 14th, 2011 at 1:23 PM ^
In the end, its probably better not to have anything that would just revisit that nightmare.
November 14th, 2011 at 1:23 PM ^
Dick move, but it's not like he'd really want the ring anyway.
November 14th, 2011 at 2:51 PM ^
Says who, you? He loved that team, who in their right mind wouldn't want something special like that to commemorate his final season with a group of guys that meant something to him?
And plus, it's probably a ballin' ass ring
November 14th, 2011 at 5:17 PM ^
From what I hear, it's a funky ass ring. I wouldn't want the ring. To me, it'd just be a symbol of my failure, especially since he got it after he was fired (right?). You'd be a little insulted by a "teacher of the year" award after you were laid off by that school wouldn't you?
November 14th, 2011 at 5:58 PM ^
I'd be proud of it. That doing my job well in at least the eyes of someone (in that case...fellow teachers?) had happened, no matter what. Especially if I'd given it my all, effort-wise, at the job. Corny, perhaps. But true.
November 14th, 2011 at 9:41 PM ^
You should only get a ring if you win the bowl game. Someone with a 6-6 record and a loss in a bowl that probably shouldn't exist in the first place, should not receive a ring for having a failure of a season. Give them a little placque of the event.
Rings are for winners. and teacher of the year awards are for teachers. Come on man!
November 14th, 2011 at 10:20 PM ^
This is not an issue about what the former coaching staff should or shouldn't have gotten. The fact is the team, including the former coaching staff, played in the Gator Bowl, and the current system awards teams that play in the Gator Bowl with Gator Bowl rings. The fact that Michigan didn't send the former coaching staff Gator Bowl rings is at best inconsequential but petty and at worst classless. If you disagree, consider this: West Virginia (the same school that ran the smear campaign against Rodriguez in 2008) sent their former coaches rings for their BCS bowl game in the 2007 season.
November 15th, 2011 at 1:18 AM ^
Sorry, I was actually commenting on the person who said they wouldn't want a ring because it would remind them of failure and I agree.
Rich Rod should have gotten a ring for being the leader and coach of that team due to the fact that they gave rings out. Do I think anyone should have received a ring? No.
November 14th, 2011 at 1:25 PM ^
This is clear proof Brandon made his decision to fire RR before the bowl game!
/s
November 14th, 2011 at 1:26 PM ^
November 14th, 2011 at 1:31 PM ^
Damnit, my angry sports talk radio devotee to English translator is off for Veterans' Day.
November 14th, 2011 at 1:41 PM ^
You're right. Those kids owed you so much more. You've certainly earned it.
November 14th, 2011 at 1:44 PM ^
What language is this?
November 14th, 2011 at 2:03 PM ^
Paul Finebaum
November 14th, 2011 at 2:01 PM ^
Your grammar is the only embarrassing thing in this thread. The non-use of punctuation and misuse pretense of words made your post come across as a rant and less as thoughtful disagreement.
November 14th, 2011 at 2:36 PM ^
November 14th, 2011 at 2:02 PM ^
has been the most horrible grammatical experience that I have participated in, in my life.
November 14th, 2011 at 2:40 PM ^
November 14th, 2011 at 2:04 PM ^
You feel sorry for rr and his crew because we ain't send them some funky ass rings
November 14th, 2011 at 2:32 PM ^
...was where I stopped reading the post out of fear that I may loose some IQ points.
November 14th, 2011 at 2:05 PM ^
im sorry, i dont speak douchebag.
November 14th, 2011 at 2:08 PM ^
Terrelle Pryor is that you over there? You almost had us fooled ya know.
November 14th, 2011 at 2:36 PM ^
5th grade teacher to read the book to you in class. It might prove to be enlightening for you.
November 14th, 2011 at 3:41 PM ^
I thought I was on eleven wairriors for a second. You are an embarassment.
November 14th, 2011 at 4:15 PM ^
Just yikes.
November 14th, 2011 at 4:48 PM ^
+ Eleventy Bajillion
November 14th, 2011 at 1:26 PM ^
but, it's all in the rear view mirror now.
Ole Miss, Tulane, Arizona, and FAU programs have been effectively reduced to rubble.
RR is not lacking for coaching opportunities at places that would probably love to have him.
If he gets the Ole Miss job, there could be future payback for Mullen & Co.
I'm curious whether RR's former assistants like Barwis (consultant for NY Mets) and Calvin Magee (Pitt) would follow him. Perhaps not.
November 14th, 2011 at 3:20 PM ^
Barwis owns a gym in Plymouth, MI now (Barwis Methods) so I doubt he would uproot that to go to Tulane, etc.
Barwis seems to be doing quite well here (in MI). If I were closer I would work out there.
November 14th, 2011 at 3:27 PM ^