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This Week's Obsession: Darren Rovell's Terrible Horrible No Good Very Bad Poker Game Comment Count

Seth June 17th, 2020 at 12:33 PM

Ace: It’s an emergency. We have to talk about this.

Seth: OH, LET'S GO right here!

BiSB: You could do a Gimmicky Top 20 about this video, and there would still be grievous omissions. It contains multitudes.

Ace: Let’s set the stage: Darren Rovell is playing his first online poker game ever. This surprises me, since I assumed he’d be one of the types who watched the World Series of Poker in 2005 and got obsessed because it was sports with money and that’s Rovell’s entire life. They’re playing Texas Hold ’Em and, in this video, he’s dealt a great hand: Ace-Queen suited (both diamonds).

Importantly, this is the table just prior to the hand being dealt. Rovell, naturally, is “DMoneyWinz,” and we should note a couple more things here:

He’s the short stack at the table. By a lot.

He’s also the big blind for this upcoming hand, so more of his waning money is going in the pot no matter what. Over 11% of his chips will be going into this hand before a card is dealt.

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BiSB: Also, notice the chat, where he offers the insight that, quote, "I have no money left."

Ace: The first line of this is what some would call “foreshadowing.”

Brian: Darren Rovell is essentially my age, which means he is in the Has Watched Rounders 50 Times, Ten To Fifteen Of Them On Purpose age bracket.

Ace: This age group extends down to my generation thanks to Chris Moneymaker.

Brian: Every American male from my age to Bill Simmons's has a dusty DVD on a shelf somewhere.

Seth: /raises hand

Videocassette.

BiSB: John Malkovich should have won an EGOT for that role.

Ace: It’s almost impossible for someone anyone near his age/demographic/job not to get some poker knowledge by sheer accident.

HE COVERS THE CROSSOVER BETWEEN SPORTS AND MONEY.

Sorry, I’m getting prematurely upset.

Brian: Right. This is just setting the cultural context stage. Everyone on earth knows how to play Hold 'Em now. Let us embark.

BiSB: So, he at least recognizes that suited Ace-Queen is good. Bonus points there.

Seth: Should we discuss his choice of avatar?

Ace: I think it’s a default, another player has it too.

Brian: His alternatives appear to be a turtle, a fox, and an anime lawyer so I get the stogie chomping guy as an option. Turtle is tempting though.

Ace: Rovell also gets a little credit for taking coaching to heart and knowing he should fold the vast majority of his hands.

Brian: DOES HE

Ace: Now, does he apply this knowledge well? Stay tuned.

[After THE JUMP: The flop, the turn, the flop]

Ace: Our first indication that something is very wrong: Rovell, holding the Ace-Queen of diamonds, asks for a specific card on the flop: the King of spades.

That’s one of the worst cards that could come down!

Maybe literally the worst?

BiSB: Even before that, it's worth noting that he declares "LET'S GO," and proceeds to... not go. He limps in.

Ace: When he should absolutely be pushing all in with this hand. You have an Ace and something decent and you’re by far the shortest stack at the table.

Brian: You know those viral videos going around of "auntie" burning down the rims? This is the exact opposite of the moment she palms a basketball.

Ace: Thank you for bringing this into my life.

Seth: I too am ready for the next challenge.

BiSB: We'll give Rovell the benefit of the doubt and say he was just playing coy. For reasons.

Ace: He then flops Queens and seems wholly unexcited about it, for some reason. You have top pair with an Ace kicker!

Seth: It wasn't the King of Spades though.

Brian: He let a couple guys limp in so anything could be out there but yeah in the annals of Flops To See With AQ that is near the top of the list.

Ace: …and then he checks. Instead of, say, pushing all his chips into the middle as fast as he can.

Brian: Rovell isn't thinking like this but I think that's pretty defensible. The only thing you really don't want to see is a K and you've already shown weakness. Check-call would be pretty high on my list of actions.

Seth: He's the short stack, how much does he think he's going to get?

Ace: Fair enough. I think he should be pushing hard all the way here but he set himself up poorly by limping in pre-flop.

Brian: The most likely thing for the button to have is air so the only way you're going to extract chips from him in a pretty secure situation is to let him bluff you.

Ace: We will see quite soon that Rovell isn’t thinking on this level. But we knew that.

Brian: I may own Doyle Brunson books.

Ace: I had one of Phil Hellmuth’s in high school.

BiSB: Rovell owns seven copies of Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations." None of them have been opened.

Seth: Hellmuth's was in the bathroom long enough for the corners to curl up.

Ace: So, Sooz51 bets $120 after Rovell checks. Rovell has $315 left in his stack.

He calls.

BiSB:

Brian: This is like the second seal opening. I didn't think about stack depth in my above comment, now you're committed and shove.

Ace: Yeah, my big thing here is he’s wildly short-stacked from the start. He should’ve shoved with just about anything.

Seth: The calling is bold. James Franklin is actually impressed.

BiSB: The turn comes. It has nothing of value, which is a good sign for Rovell. And then... things... change.

Ace: “I got the pair of twos,” he says, as if that matters.

The twos are on the board.

Brian: The third seal opens.

Ace: Rovell… checks.

Brian: (again slightly defensible if button has air but only just)

Ace: It could be a trap, sure. Then he yells…

Seth: "Please I gotta win this..."

Ace: FOLD

Brian: He says the former like his children are starving. He bark-yells the latter.

Ace: THIS IS NOT A THING PEOPLE DO AFTER YOU CHECK BECAUSE YOU HAVEN’T ASKED THEM TO BET ANY MONEY

BiSB: He yells FOLD like he's Don Brown trying to induce a false start. Like the opponent can hear him and will accidentally hit the fold button. Which, there probably isn't one because WHO FOLDS WHEN IT COSTS $0 TO CALL.

Ace: I’ve jumped offsides in Madden when a friend has yelled “HIKE,” this could maybe work if the other player could, you know, hear him.

Brian: I need the Sklar Brothers to follow Rovell around narrating his poker exploits.

Seth: Somewhere on the internet is a person named Susan who feels a tremor in the force.

BiSB: So, instead of folding, his opponent bets the pot, which would put Rovell all in.

Ace: The boop noise of Sooz51 betting just after Rovells yells “FOLD” is absolutely killing me.

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BiSB: This is actually great news for Rovell. He has accidentally induced maximum chippage from his opponent.

Ace: He keeps blundering into great spots!

He just has to do one thing…

Seth: But yelling "FOLD" has failed. He is devastated.

Brian: Opportunity to double up with top pair ace kicker and nothing on the board, this is a crime

Ace: He says, “aw, man.”

/sound of failure

BiSB: I have a theory here. Is it possible that Rovell sees his opponent betting $360, he thinks to himself "I do not have that much," and thinks he's required to fold?

Brian: i have the same feeling as I do when I listen to that Postal Service song where Ben Gibbard talks about "the goalie in the third quarter of a tied-game rivalry"

Ace: This theory holds water.

BiSB: Like, his opponent had outbid him on this particular poker?

Seth: I think he believes Sooz51 has the King of Spades.

Brian: That theory doesn't seem to be true because he talks about how small his stack is afterwards as his reasoning. He won't go all in because then he would be out, is what I think his lizard-brain thinks.

Ace: He should coach football. He should never play poker again.

BiSB: His alma mater just fired an offensive coordinator...

Brian: Alternatively, he should play poker again with me all day every day. The marketing guy for this poker site deserves a raise. The twisted brilliance to put the second-dumbest man in America as the face of your site.

Ace: “I couldn’t do it, Ev, I’m at $195,” he says, as $20 more leaves his stack because he’s the small blind.

Brian: All poker spokespeople should barely know what they're doing.

Ace: We haven’t even mentioned yet that Sooz51 had another Queen and a much worse kicker, making Rovell’s flop incredibly fortunate.

This hand was engineered for him to double up and then some.

Seth: What's great is the video loops so you're immediately reminded he was told to fold 80 percent of the time.

Ace: And it all comes together. He was doomed from the start, because he was born Darren Rovell, and then he said that.

BiSB: The intersection. Of business. And sports.

Brian: "Hello, friends, I'm Kid Rock. Come to Poker Site Dot Biz and find out if the man who wrote "Bawitaba" has the introspection and probability skills to ruin your bankroll"

Ace: The man has made a career out of copypasta-ing press releases from shoe companies, it should come as no surprise that he grasps onto one thing and cannot think for himself outside of it.

If you guys need me, I’ll be watching this on a loop for the rest of my life.

BiSB: I feel bad for Rovell's stack. But this is tremendous content.

Comments

matty blue

June 17th, 2020 at 1:03 PM ^

i have a friend who plays A Lot of online poker, and much of my life consists of me finding ways to not hear card-by-card narrations of past winning and losing hands.  it's like recounting the four shots you missed that kept you from breaking 80.  for the love of god, please don't tell me these things.

this was okay, though, because the end goal was to stomp on "DMoneyWinz".  i'm here for that.

DualThreat

June 17th, 2020 at 1:11 PM ^

When you're the short stack like that, you don't have the luxury of patience.  As soon as that flop hit, it should've been all in.  If the other guy has trips, so be it.  You're not going to get much better than that with little time left before being blinded out.

TrueBlue2003

June 17th, 2020 at 2:56 PM ^

To Brian's point, not a horrible move to slow play it (even though that clearly wasn't Rovell's intention) after the flop.  No flush draws on the board.  King is really the only card that could reasonably hurt you at that point.

I would have pushed all in or at least tripled the pot pre-flop.  Gives you the chance to win without the two others hitting something on the flop.  But once that flop comes, you can feel good enough to slow play it, I think, because you have a hand that almost can't be beat.

Michigan Arrogance

June 17th, 2020 at 1:15 PM ^

Not sure how Rovell continues at life after this, TBH.

Not even in the ancient days of a heartless and malificent fisking do I recall such a harsh hammer being thrown down on one man.

And I'm here for all of it.

mgobaran

June 17th, 2020 at 1:37 PM ^

I'm a shit poker player and no next to nothing about strategy. This is the first time I've read/heard the words short stack when it's not talking about a small portion of pancakes. But I know you never fold with a pair of queens! At least in that situation...

Ace

June 17th, 2020 at 1:49 PM ^

My apologies, I was trying to do layman's terms and forgot to translate that one.

Short stack == lowest chip count.

Rovell was way behind the others when this hand started, which means he needed to play with aggression almost regardless of the cards, and all the cards fell his way. It's difficult to make a worse series of choices.

Blau

June 17th, 2020 at 1:52 PM ^

Now this is what I call premium front-page content!

In all seriousness, I have no idea what this post is about and who it's intended audience is. Personally I despise these dialoguey-style posts where readers have to decipher the intended expressions of people who are speaking directly with each other. That type of set-up would work better for a linked podcast, no? 

MichiganTeacher

June 17th, 2020 at 1:52 PM ^

I'm in that age group, I don't even know what Rounders is about (isn't Rounders a proto-baseball sport?), and I have never played poker of any sort.

Just offering myself as a data point.

 

UNCWolverine

June 17th, 2020 at 2:06 PM ^

as someone that literally just played/won a 6 person Omaha 8 SNG I enjoyed this content. I can't believe that there are players this bad out there, but I always enjoy coming across them on my tables.

J.

June 17th, 2020 at 2:19 PM ^

Oh, come on, this is next-level stuff, guys.  Rovell clearly has a read on the guy on the button.  He knows that he only plays pocket 3s.  Rovell had one out and he knew it.  A++.

(/s, in case it's not obvious)

If I'd been playing this hand, I'd have gone all-in on the flop and the button would have had AA, KK, 22, or 33.  Because that's just how I roll. :)

Nickel

June 17th, 2020 at 3:29 PM ^

Rovell and I would probably be evenly matched because I just read the whole thing and still have almost no idea what any of it was about.

- 41 year old guy who has never seen Rounders and never had an interest in poker.

S.G. Rice

June 17th, 2020 at 3:49 PM ^

Play like that is why it was possible to make a lot of money playing online back in the days of Party Poker.

Also, I still have somehow managed to not see Rounders and I've played thousands of hours.

bronxblue

June 17th, 2020 at 4:07 PM ^

I still remember being on some call that included Darren Rovell and being amazed that people pay him money to talk about good business practices.  Like, I can get him as a person you want repeating what's written in a press statement, but him speaking on topics outside of...stuff written out wasn't good for anyone.  And so the fact he appears to have no idea how to play poker despite being a spokesperson for the brand is not surprising.

lolapaluuza

April 16th, 2021 at 3:52 AM ^

Good day! Why do you speak so badly about poker? If you mean a specific game, I can understand you. I personally love to play Texas Holdem, but for some reason not all my friends like this version of poker. They mostly play online on this service. I can't join them, because I'm a little afraid to play for money or crypto.