Upon Further Review 2010: Defense vs Penn State
Formation notes: After two games in which Michigan deployed a lot of 4 man fronts and mixed in some 3-4 and 3-3-5 looks Michigan was almost exclusively stack against Penn State. They did move Demens (and Roh/Fitzgerald) back at halftime. First half:
Second half:
Substitution notes: Martin played maybe the first two series before coming out, and didn't do anything in that time. He was replaced by a combination of Sagesse and Patterson. Black and Banks are now platooning regularly, with Banks still getting most of the snaps. RVB is the line's ironman. He never comes out.
At linebacker it was Demens and Mouton the whole way with Fitzerald getting a drive or three when Michigan thought Roh wasn't playing well. Cam Gordon and Thomas Gordon split time at spur. Rogers was replaced by Talbott for much of the game. Vinopal went the distance at FS.
On with it:
| Ln | Dn | Ds | O Form | D Form | Type | Rush | Play | Player | Yards | ||||||||||
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| O29 | 1 | 10 | Ace trips | 3-3-5 stack | Pass | 3 | PA Fly | Floyd | Inc | ||||||||||
| Play action bomb against three deep; McGloin sets up and throws deep to his tiny guy Smith. Ball is underthrown and Floyd is in decent position, though a long enough throw beats him. Floyd has a chance to intercept but doesn't look for the ball quickly enough and a throw that looks like it was to him hits the turf. Um. I have to: Floyd +1, cover +1, pressure -1. | |||||||||||||||||||
| O29 | 2 | 10 | I-form twins | Base 4-3 | Run | Off tackle | Banks | 0 | |||||||||||
| Banks(+2) gets immediately playside of the PSU RT and drives him into the backfield. Michigan's running some sort of stunt on the backside that looks pretty unsound and as a result Demens was swallowed by two OL; Mouton is walled off by another—none of this matters because Banks has driven into the path of the RB and tackled him at the LOS by himself. Bad omen for the future. | |||||||||||||||||||
| O29 | 3 | 10 | Ace 3-wide | Base 4-3 | Pass | 3 | Scramble | Demens | 11 | ||||||||||
| One DT drops off to chuck the RB, looking for a screen. Martin(-1) comes through to flush McGloin, but with only three guys rushing there's a gap to the other side of him and McGloin steps up, sees no one, and runs. Demens(-1) is the guy nearest to him and gave up the corner because he drifted too far inside on a TE crossing route. This is definitely his fault: C. Gordon is going with his guy all the way downfield. Martin gets the -1 for coming up the wrong side and giving up the lane. | |||||||||||||||||||
| O40 | 1 | 10 | I-form 3-wide | 3-3-5 stack | Pass | N/A | PA Throwaway | Van Bergen | Inc | ||||||||||
| RVB(+1, pressure +1) gets upfield of his blocker and immediately releases into McGloin, forcing him to toss it away. | |||||||||||||||||||
| O40 | 2 | 10 | Ace 3-wide | 3-3-5 stack | Pass | 5 | Slant | Floyd | 16 | ||||||||||
| Michigan shifts late to man coverage and Floyd(-2, cover -2) isn't even in the same zip code as Smith on a simple slant. He can't even make a tackle, giving up another eight yards after the catch. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M44 | 1 | 10 | Ace 3-wide | 3-3-5 stack | Run | Inside zone | Kovacs | 4 | |||||||||||
| Michigan moves late to a one-high by, sending Kovacs into the box, and the shift gets PSU in a bad playcall. Seems like a designed cutback and a really bizarre scheme: Demens is like a yard from Martin and gets hit by a tackle; Mouton is way back and is scraping to the nominal frontside of the play only to get blown up by the FB as he drags himself out of position. Kovacs(+0.5) is there in the hole as a result of the late move to tackle near the LOS but he grabs ankles and allows Royster to spin forward for a decent gain. I'm guessing I'm going to neg a lot of guys because of this weird setup but not yet. This was the "This Is Not A Stack" play. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M40 | 2 | 6 | Shotgun 2-back TE | 3-3-5 stack | Run | Pin and pull zone | C. Gordon | 3 | |||||||||||
| Completely bizarre play from C. Gordon(-0.5) here, who is the contain guy to this side. Instead of flowing down the line and keeping outside leverage somewhere near the LOS he takes a weird looping downfield angle that sees him five yards downfield by the time the RB gets outside; he also impeded Roh with his weird delayed move outside. RVB(+1) had driven his guy well upfield and forced an outside angle by the RB, which allowed Gordon time to recover and hold the gain down. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M37 | 3 | 3 | I-form | Stack two deep | Pass | 3 | FB screen | Mouton | 8 | ||||||||||
| Three guys and still no one to sniff out the screen. Mouton(-1, cover -1) failed to read it and dropped very deep when he should have been staring right at it. Demens had a guy coming across his zone to drop into and then flows to tackle—without that this will go for a lot more. (RPS -1) | |||||||||||||||||||
| M29 | 1 | 10 | Ace 3-wide | Stack two deep | Run | Power off tackle | Banks | 5 | |||||||||||
| Banks(-1) crushed two yards downfield by a double. Mouton comes up to hit a pulling guard and restricts the hole but there's nothing anyone can do to prevent Royster from burrowing behind his linemen for a decent gain. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M24 | 2 | 5 | Ace trips | 3-3-5 stack | Pass | 3 | Quick out | Banks | Inc | ||||||||||
| Banks(+1, pressure +1) knocks down the quick out at the LOS. Probably open for the first if not batted. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M24 | 3 | 5 | Ace trips | Stack two deep | Pass | 5 | Flare | Roh? | 7 | ||||||||||
| Michigan sends five and RVB(+0.5) swims through an OG to get to McGloin, forcing a dumpoff that is so open I have no idea who I should even blame. Roh(-1) is the most likely suspect (cover -2, RPS -1) | |||||||||||||||||||
| M17 | 1 | 10 | Ace | 3-3-5 stack | Pass | 3 | Throwaway | Black | Inc | ||||||||||
| Michigan covers(+1) McGloin's first read and then Black(+1) is one-on-one with the RB as PSU slides their protection. He gets cut but manages to stay up and threatening, forcing a rollout and a throwaway (pressure +1) | |||||||||||||||||||
| M17 | 2 | 10 | I-form 3-wide | 3-3-5 stack | Run | Counter | Mouton | 14 | |||||||||||
| Double shoves Martin out of the hole; he shoots up under it but to no avail. Demens takes a step to the playside and is then engulfed by two OL because he's too damn close to the LOS to do anything about it. There's a hole and one blocker for Mouton to deal with; he shoots past the guy and is on the verge of a +3 for a monster play when he lets Royster through his tackle(-1 Mouton, -1) and pick up a huge gain thanks to a missed tackle(-1) from Vinopal(-2). RPS -1. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M3 | 1 | G | I-form big | 3-3-5 stack | Run | Power off tackle | Banks | 3 | |||||||||||
| Banks(-1) destroyed by a single block and pancaked, giving the edge. Kovacs(-1) blocked and does not keep contain, giving up the edge for Royster as well. | |||||||||||||||||||
| Drive Notes: Touchdown, 0-7, 7 min 1st Q. | |||||||||||||||||||
| Ln | Dn | Ds | O Form | D Form | Type | Rush | Play | Player | Yards | ||||||||||
| O44 | 1 | 10 | Ace | 3-3-5 stack | Run | Inside zone | C. Gordon | 20 | |||||||||||
| Another huge cutback lane. I'm not entirely sure who this is on because depending on assignment it could be any of Roh, Cam Gordon, and Van Bergen. Van Bergen is upfield as the unblocked backside guy and is cut by a TE pulling to the backside. Roh is flowing to the frontside and seems too close to Demens for that to be a good idea; Cam Gordon is either way too far outside or properly setting up to catch any bounces outside. -2 Roh for filling the same hole as Demens and -1 Gordon for being the guy shot past. Mouton actually made a nice read and flowed from the frontside of the play but for naught; Vinopal comes up and forces Royster to cut outside, where Rogers tackles. (RPS –1) | |||||||||||||||||||
| M36 | 1 | 10 | Ace 3-wide | 3-3-5 stack | Pass | Sack | Mouton | -11 | |||||||||||
| An end around pass ends badly as Michigan covers(+2) both available receivers well and Mouton(+2) reads the end-around, gets out on the edge, and attacks. He'd sack but the guy's falling to the ground as he gets there anyway. Pressure +1. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M47 | 2 | 21 | I-form 3-wide | 3-3-5 stack | Pass | Corner | Floyd | 27 | |||||||||||
| The underneath coverage on this is indeed a debacle but the super debacle is JT Floyd(-4, cover -4) getting so completely lost in three deep coverage on a guy in his zone that he's not even the tackler on an underthrown, softly-tossed lob thirty yards downfield. What the hell is Floyd doing on a hashmark, facing inside, in a three deep, on second and twenty one? YOU HAVE HELP INSIDE. BWS picture-paged this if you hate yourself. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M20 | 1 | 10 | Ace twin TE | Stack two deep | Run | Inside zone | Demens | 19 | |||||||||||
| Michigan horrendously misaligned as Penn State motions a TE over to give them two to the short side of the field. Michigan hardly reacts at all. So there's five PSU blockers to the short side and three Michigan defenders. Compounding this, Michigan just screws up. Demens(-2) runs to the backside when he's got Vinopal walking down and Mouton filling a backside lane, leaving no one to fill the frontside gap that he should have; there's not even a counter here, he just runs to the wrong side of the line. Banks kicked out and Roh(-1) blown up by the inline TE, Roytser into the secondary like that. (RPS -1) | |||||||||||||||||||
| M1 | 1 | G | Goal line | 3-3-5 stack | Run | Dive | ? | 1 | |||||||||||
| Whatever. This isn't even M's to-date successful goal line package. RPS -1. | |||||||||||||||||||
| Drive Notes: Touchdown, 7-14, 1 min 2nd Q. | |||||||||||||||||||
| Ln | Dn | Ds | O Form | D Form | Type | Rush | Play | Player | Yards | ||||||||||
| O20 | 1 | 10 | Ace twin TE | 3-3-5 stack | Run | Counter | T. Gordon | 3 | |||||||||||
| Cam pulled for Thomas as SURPRISE, moving a deep safety to linebacker makes him confused. M adjusts to the motion this time, and Penn State runs a counter at it expecting an overreaction. Demens, who's still a yard behind his NT, gets caught with a step and sealed as the NT is Patterson and he does the usual.. Michigan does have two guys in the hole versus one blocker thanks to good reads by the backside folk. Blocker runs by Gordon to get Roh(+0.5) so T. Gordon(+0.5) hits at the LOS; they fall forward because there's no help. | |||||||||||||||||||
| O23 | 2 | 7 | Ace 3-wide | Stack two deep | Pass | Out | T. Gordon | Inc | |||||||||||
| McGloin throws a decently open out well wide of his receiver. Third and short in all likelihood if accurate. | |||||||||||||||||||
| O23 | 3 | 7 | Ace 3-wide | 3-3-5 stack | Pass | Middle screen | Demens | 5 | |||||||||||
| They throw another screen; this time Demens(+0.5) is tasked with the tailback. He doesn't tackle but he does get into the play enough to delay the guy as he has to cut back behind Demens and the guy blocking him. RVB(+0.5) takes this opportunity to peel back and make a diving tackle attempt that's spun through but does slow Redd; Mouton(+0.5) and Demens converge to tackle short of the sticks. | |||||||||||||||||||
| Drive Notes: Punt, 7-14, 13 min 2nd Q. | |||||||||||||||||||
| Ln | Dn | Ds | O Form | D Form | Type | Rush | Play | Player | Yards | ||||||||||
| O26 | 1 | 10 | Ace | 3-3-5 stack | Pass | PA TE flat | C. Gordon | 20 | |||||||||||
| Cam Gordon(-2, cover -2) sucks in way too far, not only giving up the pass on the corner but not being anywhere near enough to tackle after the catch. Why on earth did they pull Thomas off for this? | |||||||||||||||||||
| O46 | 1 | 10 | Ace twins twin TE | 3-3-5 stack | Run | Power off tackle | Kovacs | 9 | |||||||||||
| Michigan again hugely, vastly misaligned as PSU brings in their WR/TE guy to be a second TE to the short side of the field, where be Kovacs; said Kovacs(-1) is blasted five yards downfield and JT Floyd(-1), the overhang guy, is met and blocked seven yards downfield. When Royster has to bounce because Mouton and Demens have cut off the inside there's no one out there. Banks(-1) was also single blocked and couldn't even slow Royster as he broke outside. (RPS -1) | |||||||||||||||||||
| M45 | 2 | 1 | Ace 3-wide | 3-3-5 stack | Run | Inside zone | Banks | 7 | |||||||||||
| Another cutback opened up by Banks(-1) getting washed down the line. I think. We come to this play late and I'm not entirely sure what's going on. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M38 | 1 | 10 | I-form 3-wide | 3-3-5 stack | Pass | PA TE flat | Mouton | 10 | |||||||||||
| Another play where I can't tell who's screwing up on a wide open pass in the flat. It's either Mouton or Kovacs. Minuses for both. Cover -2. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M28 | 1 | 10 | I-form | 3-3-5 stack | Run | Inside zone | Van Bergen | 3 | |||||||||||
| Roh has been pulled for Fitzgerald. Woo 3-3-5. Here RVB(+0.5) beats a guy, forcing another cutback; Black(+0.5) has slanted under his guy to the point where it has to go behind him, giving Kovacs(+0.5) the ability to read the cutback and make a weak ankle tackle at the LOS that could be run through but for Sagesse(+0.5) fighting to the ball and finishing it. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M25 | 2 | 7 | I-form 3-wide | 3-3-5 stack | Pass | PA throwaway | Kovacs | Inc | |||||||||||
| No one open (cover +1) as I think they were looking to go to the FB on the throwback but Kovacs(+1) reads the play and sits back on it, causing McGloin to chuck it OOB. Decent but not immense time. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M25 | 3 | 7 | Ace trips | 3-3-5 stack | Pass | Cross | Demens | 6 | |||||||||||
| Completely mistimed blitz from Floyd(-1) on the overhang sees him both tip it and leave late, so it's easily picked up. No one anywhere near McGloin (pressure -2) and he has plenty of time to find a crossing route as it nears the sticks. Demens is in the area in pursuit and tackles short of the first down, but only a yard short. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M19 | 4 | 1 | I-form big | 3-3-5 stack | Run | Power off tackle | C. Gordon | 2 | |||||||||||
| Demens(+3) shoots the gap between the NT and DE at the snap, blasting into the guard pulling around to provide a lead block, shucking him, and meeting Royster a yard in the backfield. Monster play, and a dead drive if he can get some help. Marvin Robinson(-1) comes up and wraps up Royster's shoulders; Cam Gordon(-2) takes an angle upfield and comes too far inside, running himself out of the play when Royster spins free. This is an amazing play by Royster, but Michigan should never have let this happen. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M17 | 1 | 10 | I-form 3-wide | 3-3-5 stack | Run | Counter | Sagesse | 13 | |||||||||||
| Sagesse(-2) crumbles to the ground against single blocking before the handoff. Doom. Demens is again too close to the LOS to have any hope of scraping past releasing OL (RPS -2) and Roh can take the outside shoulder of the leading guard all he wants but that doesn't mean there's anyone coming to help. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M4 | 1 | G | I-form big | 3-3-5 stack | Run | Power off tackle | Banks | 3 | |||||||||||
| Banks(-1) easily sealed by a single block, which allows another OL to pop out on Mouton without delay; everyone plays this right but this is an I form big against something other than a goal line package from the 3 (RPS -1). | |||||||||||||||||||
| M1 | 2 | G | Goal line | Goal line | Run | QB sneak | ? | 1 | |||||||||||
| They get it. | |||||||||||||||||||
| Drive Notes: Touchdown, 10-21, 3 min 2nd Q. | |||||||||||||||||||
| Ln | Dn | Ds | O Form | D Form | Type | Rush | Play | Player | Yards | ||||||||||
| M37 | 1 | 10 | I-form 3-wide | 3-3-5 stack | Pass | 3 | PA FB screen | Mouton | 17 | ||||||||||
| PSU just killing this coverage where Kovacs runs his ass off into a hole at the sideline 10-15 yards downfield. Michigan again rushes three and no one reads the screen, with Mouton(-1) the guy who's zone is closest; he compounds a deep drop by getting cut to the ground. Demens(-1) didn't read the direction of the releasing linemen and steps towards Royster, making certain he won't be able to track this down. Fitzgerald(-0.5, tackling -1) whiffs a tackle just past the sticks and gives up another six. (Cover -2, RPS -1) | |||||||||||||||||||
| M20 | 1 | 10 | Ace 3-wide | Stack two deep | Run | Power off tackle | Banks | 0 | |||||||||||
| Banks(+1) takes on a double and holds at the LOS, eventually driving the OT over him back a bit and causing Royster to trip. Fitzgerald(+0.5) came down at a good angle to squeeze the hole tight. Royster seems to trip over legs that are there because Banks made a good play and Demens(+0.5) flows to the hole to finish the play at the LOS. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M20 | 2 | 10 | Ace 3-wide | Stack two deep | Pass | 3 | Post | C. Gordon | Inc | ||||||||||
| Talbott now in at field corner, PSU goes after him and it does seem like he's got position—Talbott's at least on his back unlike certain other corners. Cam Gordon(+1, cover +1) gets a good drop and tips the pass, causing an incompletion. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M20 | 3 | 10 | Shotgun 3-wide | Base 4-3 | Pass | 5 | Corner | Vinopal | 20 | ||||||||||
| Guh. Michigan blitzes and C. Gordon(+1) sets up a blocker on the edge to the inside, juking by him to get a free run at McGloin, who tosses up a punt off his back foot. This punt is a slightly underthrown corner route. Ray Vinopal(-2, cover -2) is too far away from the receiver to make the slightly underthrown bit matter and waves helplessly at the ball as the receiver brings it in; they fall into the endzone. While McGloin's basically been handed scads of yardage by Michigan, he deserves some props here: his ridiculous back foot just having fun Wrangler Favre throw that should be easily intercepted is a fairly well thrown touchdown. FML. | |||||||||||||||||||
| Drive Notes: Touchdown, 10-28, 1 min 2nd Q. | |||||||||||||||||||
| Ln | Dn | Ds | O Form | D Form | Type | Rush | Play | Player | Yards | ||||||||||
| O24 | 1 | 10 | Ace 3-wide | 3-3-5 stack | Pass | 4 | PA Deep Hitch | Van Bergen | Inc | ||||||||||
| Roh blitzes into the interior and doesn't really get anywhere. Talbott(-2, cover -2) is beyond way off on this 15-yard deep hitch and this will be complete but RVB(+1, pressure +1) reads the play and closes in on McGloin, deflecting the ball and causing it to come up well short. Fortunate. | |||||||||||||||||||
| O24 | 2 | 10 | I-form 3-wide | 3-3-5 stack | Run | Inside zone | Patterson | 1 | |||||||||||
| Same play from PSU that was picture paged; here Michigan is again using Roh as an interior blitzer; his attack draws two blockers and allows Patterson(+0.5) the luxury of just one; he slants past that guy and forces a cutback from Royster. Mouton(+0.5) is now playing a regular linebacker thing, not whatever he was doing in the first half, and reads, meeting the FB at the LOS. He's cut to the ground but his body is in the right spot and Royster slows, at which point Kovacs(+0.5) grabs him and gang tackling happens. | |||||||||||||||||||
| O25 | 3 | 9 | Ace 3-wide | Base 4-3 | Pass | 4 | Deep hitch | Talbott | 40 | ||||||||||
| Michigan drops back into a zone coverage with C. Gordon escorting the slot guy deep. (I now agree with BWS totally: it was Demens responsible for the Iowa TD). Talbott's on Moye on the outside and is in great position to break up the pass or even intercept but he screws it all up, letting the ball through for the completion and missing a tackle, turning a three and out into many yards. Talbott -3, cover +1, pressure -2. Srs. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M35 | 1 | 10 | I-form 3-wide | 3-3-5 stack | Pass | Stop and go | Floyd | Inc | |||||||||||
| Roh out, Fitz in and they do the same thing again; this version of the 3-3-5 is mostly a 4-3 with one tiny DT. PSU runs a slant and go and Michigan is in three deep with Floyd(-3, cover +1) in what should be great position to make a play on the ball, but he again gets totally lost. He's running a yard away from the sideline, facing it, in a spot that no one would ever think useful. So instead of being in a spot to intercept on a bad decision he can only watch a receiver almost catch a poorly thrown ball he should be all over. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M35 | 2 | 10 | Ace 3-wide | Base 4-3 | Run | Power off tackle | Patterson | 5 | |||||||||||
| Patterson(-1) is doubled and gives a lot of ground quickly, eventually getting pancaked five yards downfield. However, the playside is jammed up because RVB(+1) drove his guy back and fought inside, closing off the running lane and forcing a cutback. Mouton responds as quickly as possible but with Patterson getting hammered like he does all he can do is hold the gain down. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M30 | 3 | 5 | Ace 3-wide | Stack two deep | Pass | 4 | Rollout out | C. Gordon | 7 | ||||||||||
| Vastly too easy as C. Gordon(-1) does not react to the out fast enough and this is an easy pitch and catch (cover -1) | |||||||||||||||||||
| M23 | 1 | 10 | Ace 3-wide | Stack two deep | Run | Down G | Floyd | 4 | |||||||||||
| Headed outside with the playside TE blocking down and the two guys inside of him pulling around. There's a WR/TE to that side, too. Kovacs(+0.5) is momentarily doubled and gets shoved out of the play, but does at least close off an interior cutback. Mouton charges up and gets cut but creates a pile; Floyd(+0.5) comes up hard to make a tackle. Royster tries to leap through it but doesn't make it. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M19 | 2 | 6 | Ace 4-wide | Stack two deep | Pass | 5 | Out | Floyd | 5 | ||||||||||
| Floyd beaten on a quick out (cover -1) but is at least there to tackle. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M14 | 3 | 1 | I-form big | Base 4-4 | Run | Power off tackle | 0 | ||||||||||||
| Michigan slants the line right and sends two linebackers into the gap right, which is exactly where PSU is going with the ball. DL get crushed out of the hole but that's what you expect; Mouton(+1) roars up into the hole to take on the outside shoulder of the pulling guard, which funnels the tailback to Demens(+0.5). Demens engages to tackle but it's 50-50 whether it's a first down or not until RVB(+1) comes in. RVB was well to the backside, shoved his blocker back, and shot through the same hole the linebackers hit to help. Nice job. (RPS +1) | |||||||||||||||||||
| Drive Notes: FG(31), 10-31, 10 min 3rd Q. This drive is basically good play and one 40-yard mistake by a freshman. If this is what was going on consistently I could live with it. | |||||||||||||||||||
| Ln | Dn | Ds | O Form | D Form | Type | Rush | Play | Player | Yards | ||||||||||
| O20 | 1 | 10 | I-form 3-wide | 3-3-5 stack | Run | Power off tackle | Van Bergen | 3 | |||||||||||
| Trying to go outside it seems. Line blocks down on the two DL, leaving RVB(+1) alone. He reads the play and heads upfield at the back, absorbing the pulling G and lead FB, and forcing the RB inside. There the RB meets a heap of bodies; Demens(+0.5) was responsible for creating the lack of gaps in the line. The delay allows a bunch of players to tackle. | |||||||||||||||||||
| O23 | 2 | 7 | I-form 3-wide | Base 4-3 | Pass | N/A | PA FB screen | Demens | 7 | ||||||||||
| This again. Another very slow read by the LBs; this time Mouton is up to take a cut near the LOS and forces the ball inside but Demens(-1, cover -1) is nowhere to be found and there's a lane the FB hits for first down yardage. | |||||||||||||||||||
| O30 | 1 | 10 | I-form twins | Base 4-3 | Run | Down G | Black | 12 | |||||||||||
| It looks like M is trying a similar slant to the one that got them the third and one stop on the previous drive but then Demens runs right into the middle of the line and Black runs upfield so I guess it can't be. It's pretty weird, though. Black(-1) heads upfield and is not blocked but does not sit down in an effort to combat the run, he just runs upfield, takes a shove from some OL, and is gone. Big gap. Mouton(-1) needs to get outside the pulling tackle but does not. Kovacs does what he can to funnel it inside against a blocker, and then RVB(-1), who stunted and flowed down the line the whole way, overruns Royster and turns this from like six into 11. | |||||||||||||||||||
| O42 | 1 | 10 | I-form twins | 3-3-5 stack | Run | Down G | Floyd | 6 (Pen +10) | |||||||||||
| So Floyd is rolled up to the LOS and Kovacs is overhang. Banks and Floyd to one side of the field? Let's run right at it. Floyd(-1) starts executing a pass drop before the handoff and gives up the corner on a play that otherwise could have been stopped near the LOS. Umpire calls Sagesse(-1) for grabbing the C and preventing him from getting out on a linebacker. Need to be more subtle about it, eh? | |||||||||||||||||||
| M48 | 1 | 10 | Ace 3-wide | 3-3-5 stack | Pass | N/A | PA rollout wheel | Christian? | 34 | ||||||||||
| PA gets McGloin a billion years as RVB(-2, pressure -3) sucks into the playfake and removes any and all pressure. McGloin has forever. PSU runs a post-wheel combo against Christian, Gordon, and Johnson, IE three freshman, two of whom are playing their positions for the first time ever. Gordon gets beat but I don't really blame him; Christian(-1, cover -3) was late getting over. (RPS -2) | |||||||||||||||||||
| M14 | 1 | 10 | Ace twins twin TE | 3-3-5 stack | Run | Inside zone | Sagesse | 4 | |||||||||||
| RVB(+0.5) squeezes down on the pulling TE and there should not be much in the way of holes, but Sagesse(-0.5) gets booted out of the center, opening up a small crease that creates a decent positive gain. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M10 | 2 | 6 | Ace 3-wide | Base 4-3 | Run | Off tackle | Roh | 5 | |||||||||||
| Roh(-2) gets hooked and gives up the corner easily. Michigan seems misaligned, too, as PSU OL have incredibly easy angles to block Michigan LBs. (RPS -1) Floyd comes off a guy to tackle at the sticks. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M5 | 3 | 1 | I-form big | 3-3-5 stack | Run | FB dive | Sagesse | 5 | |||||||||||
| Sagesee(-2) is crushed, erasing the MLB; Banks(-1) slants inside a TE but takes a way upfield angle and can't close down the resulting hole. Kovacs is pulled outside by a pitch fake and Mouton eats a free release from a tackle. | |||||||||||||||||||
| Drive Notes: Touchdown, 17-38, 4 min 3rd Q | |||||||||||||||||||
| Ln | Dn | Ds | O Form | D Form | Type | Rush | Play | Player | Yards | ||||||||||
| O25 | 1 | 10 | Ace 3-wide | Stack two deep | Run | Down G | Roh | 5 | |||||||||||
| Black(+0.5) does get sealed off but gives no ground and absorbs two blockers, leaving two on the edge against just one PSU guy. Roh(-1) is the outside guy and goes a little too far upfield, then gets chopped to the ground by the pulling guard. Demens is flowing from the inside and can't quite run Redd down as he breaks outside. Redd runs OOB after about five. | |||||||||||||||||||
| O30 | 2 | 5 | I-form 3-wide | Stack two deep | Run | Inside zone | Black | 1 | |||||||||||
| Black(+2) comes underneath the RT and into the running lane. He forces the RB away from the gaping lane behind him caused by Patterson(-1) getting blown back three yards and forces Redd to leap into a cluster of bodies in an attempt to avoid Black's tackle. RVB(+0.5), who's shooting inside when unblocked now, helped knock him off balance. | |||||||||||||||||||
| O31 | 3 | 4 | Ace 3-wide | Stack two deep | Pass | 3 | Rollout out | Talbott | 5 | ||||||||||
| Way too easy. No one within miles of McGloin (pressure -2) and the little out is open in front of Talbott(-1, cover -1) | |||||||||||||||||||
| O36 | 1 | 10 | Ace twin TE | Base 3-4 | Pass | PA sack | T. Gordon | -10 | |||||||||||
| Michigan PA blitzing all the way with Thomas Gordon(+2, RPS +2) sent off the corner on a McGloin search and destroy mission. He gets upfield too quickly for McGloin to adjust and tackles solidly for a huge sack. (Pressure +3) | |||||||||||||||||||
| O26 | 2 | 20 | I-form twins | Stack two deep | Run | Down G | Sagesse | 6 | |||||||||||
| Banks slants under his blocker and it takes a good adjustment from the pulling guard to wall him off. Sagesse(-1) is blown downfield immediately by the backside guard after getting scooped and the linebackers have to deal with a ton of blockers. Demens actually gets doubled, so he's doing well just to stand his ground. Fitzgerald(-0.5) overruns it, leaving Sagessse to come off his block seven yards downfield and tackle, which good for you but really the whole issue is that you're seven yards downfield. | |||||||||||||||||||
| O32 | 3 | 14 | Ace 3-wide | Base 3-4 | Pass | 5 | Corner | Floyd | Inc | ||||||||||
| Michigan sends blitzers and then sends a delayed LB once it's clear the TE is staying in. No one gets there (pressure -2). McGloin can throw a corner route; this one is well covered by Floyd(+1, cover +1) and the resulting throw is well high. Floyd was grabbing, but these days PI isn't PI unless it's called, same for holding. Rubbin's racin'. | |||||||||||||||||||
| Drive Notes: Punt, 24-38, 13 min 4th Q. | |||||||||||||||||||
| Ln | Dn | Ds | O Form | D Form | Type | Rush | Play | Player | Yards | ||||||||||
| M49 | 1 | 10 | I-form 3-wide | 3-3-5 stack | Run | Zone stretch | Van Bergen | 2 | |||||||||||
| They run at RVB for the first time in what seems like forever; he gets a push on the two OL over him(+0.5) that allows Fitzgerald(+0.5) to flow hard to the outside, absorbing the playside tackle and leading FB, and cutting off the outside. Cutback forced. This time Banks(+0.5) is flowing properly and is there to tackle with help from Mouton(+0.5) | |||||||||||||||||||
| M47 | 2 | 8 | I-form 3-wide | Stack two deep | Run | Counter | Fitzgerald | 3 | |||||||||||
| Michigan blitzing here; Fitz and C. Gordon come from the outside. RVB(+1) gets inside a tackle and takes out the pulling guard as this is supposed to go right up the middle of the field. Royster takes it a gap outside into the B where Fitzgerald(-1) is supposed to be; he runs too far upfield and gives up a gap between himself and the RVB mess. Demens(+1) was dropping into a zone to prevent any quick slants behind the blitz. When he reads run he comes up quickly and makes a solid tackle(+1) two yards downfield; Royster falls forward for two more. Plus for the Demens drop because I believe his pass pro responsibilities came first because of the Gordon blitz and he did react quickly enough to hold this down to 3. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M44 | 3 | 5 | Ace 3-wide | Stack two deep | Pass | 4 | Rollout hitch | Kovacs | 14 | ||||||||||
| Michigan finally covers the out but in doing so they open up the hitch inside of it. Kovacs(-1) is nowhere to be seen on a play with no deep routes and a rollout in a situation where a first down is a serious threat of game over (cover -2). I'm not sure if Demens is doing the right thing here since he seems to have the tailback and moves up towards the LOS. If he stayed back that's where he'd be. Also this could be Floyd or Mouton since they both end up covering the out. Any of these folks could be at fault. Just don't know. Do know that this is a pretty insane call for the situation. Let's have two deep safeties twenty yards downfield. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M30 | 1 | 10 | I-form twins | 3-3-5 stack | Run | Down G | Mouton | 0 | |||||||||||
| Mouton(+1) flows, hits the pulling G at the LOS, gets outside of him, and stands there, eventually drawing the affections of the FB. Floyd(+0.5) comes up to hit the FB, too, cutting off all holes; Demens(+0.5) has scraped from the inside and delivers the tackle, though there's a bunch of bodies and a lot of falling so it wasn't a difficult one. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M30 | 2 | 10 | Shotgun trips TE | Stack two deep | Pass | 4 | Scramble | Black | 4 | ||||||||||
| PSU slides its protection and lets Black(+0.5) in on a tailback; he gets cut but does convince McGloin to start scrambling around; no one open (cover +1), McGloin decides to take off. Four Wolverines converge after a few yards. | |||||||||||||||||||
| M26 | 3 | 6 | Shotgun 3-wide | Stack two deep | Pass | 3 | Flare | ? | Inc | ||||||||||
| No one open (cover +1) and McGloin does something I don't think we've seen all day: checks down. Sad face. This is dead meat if caught and is poorly thrown anyway. | |||||||||||||||||||
| Drive Notes: FG(42), 31-41, 5 min 4th Q. PSU's last drive is academic and not charted. | |||||||||||||||||||
Chart.
Chart.
| Defensive Line | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Player | + | - | T | Notes |
| Van Bergen | 10 | 3 | 7 | The solitary player to have a good day. |
| Martin | - | 1 | -1 | I'm going to throw myself off a bridge. |
| Banks | 5 | 6 | -1 | I'm picking it out right now. |
| Sagesse | 0.5 | 6.5 | -6 | Not high enough. |
| Patterson | 0.5 | 2 | -1.5 | Too high. |
| Black | 6.5 | 1 | 5.5 | Hey… wait, what? I guess so. |
| Washington | - | - | - | DNP |
| TOTAL | 22.5 | 19.5 | 3 | Lost out to a terrible OL. |
| Linebacker | ||||
| Player | + | - | T | Notes |
| Ezeh | - | - | - | DNP |
| Mouton | 6 | 5 | 1 | Very difficult day; made that one awful missed tackle on Royster. |
| Roh | 0.5 | 7 | -6.5 | Is not a linebacker. Is not a linebacker. Is not a linebacker. |
| C. Gordon | 2 | 6.5 | -4.5 | Doesn't know WTF he's doing. Clearly inferior to… |
| T. Gordon | 2.5 | - | 2.5 | …but Cam played more than a guy who'd established himself as decent. |
| Leach | - | - | - | DNP |
| Moundros | - | - | - | DNP |
| Demens | 6.5 | 5 | 1.5 | Still picking guard out from his teeth. |
| Herron | - | - | - | DNP |
| Fitzgerald | 1 | 2 | -1 | More PT because Roh is not a linebacker. |
| TOTAL | 18.5 | 25.5 | -7 | Position moves a disaster. |
| Secondary | ||||
| Player | + | - | T | Notes |
| Floyd | 3 | 12 | -9 | Awful, awful, awful. |
| Rogers | - | - | - | Did he play at all? |
| Kovacs | 3 | 4 | -1 | At least he's around zero. |
| Johnson | - | - | - | Did play a little but did not make an impact. |
| Talbott | - | 6 | -6 | Played in place of Rogers. |
| Christian | - | 1 | -1 | One exploitable play. |
| Avery | - | - | - | DNP, I think. |
| Ray Vinopal | - | 4 | -4 | Obviously tiny. |
| TOTAL | 6 | 27 | -21 | Worst ever. |
| Metrics | ||||
| Pressure | 7 | 11 | -4 | No pressure on PA. |
| Coverage | 11 | 27 | -16 | An utter debacle. |
| Tackling | 1 | 3 | -2 | This counts as good. |
| RPS | 3 | 13 | -10 | Let's align our MLB two inches from the nose tackle. |
[RPS is "rock, paper, scissors." Michigan gets a + when they call a play that makes it very easy for them to defend the opponent, like getting a free blitzer. They get a – when they call a play that makes it very difficult for them to defend the opponent, like showing a seven-man blitz and having Penn State get easy touchdowns twice.]
I'm going to dispense with the cute. This was a debacle. Michigan abandoned a defensive philosophy that hadn't exactly shone against Iowa but did put Michigan in a position where better play here or there from one player would have gotten redzone stops. They forced five three-and-outs and endured an avalanche of short fields and turnovers, looking sort of respectable against a veteran offense with solidly above average numbers. The Mathlete had their performance about three points worse than an average defense. They did this without Mike Martin.
Michigan gets a bye week. They play a team without a mobile quarterback running the same assortment of conventional power and inside zone plays they've faced. They:
- Install Ray Vinopal at FS.
- Move Cam Gordon to spur and displace the Johnson/Gordon combo.
- Install a bizarre three-man line package that's somewhat like a stack but not really a stack.
All of these moves fail. Cam is the worst spur we've had all year because he's been playing it for a week and a half. Vinopal is clearly overmatched whenever called upon. And the 3-3-5 sees Michigan give up 41 points to a team that was 82nd in yardage, 99th in scoring, and starting a backup walk-on quarterback. Penn State scores on all but two of nine real drives. 41 points on nine real drives. Without a single turnover.
Every single move made in the bye week is a detriment, and two people have now told me that at half time the adjustment made to Kenny Demens's alignment was a result of Demens himself asking for it. Michigan badly regressed after a panicked bye week adjustment that saw them slide to the 3-3-5 and fail at it, which is exactly what happened in 2008. This doesn't even cover it…
…because the chart doesn't know Robert Bolden was out.
Michigan needs to pick one thing and do it. Right now what are they? Are they a stack? Are they a 4-3? Are they a 3-4? The answer to all of these questions is "no."
You know who did this? You know what is going on here? Do you know the thing that is happening to Michigan's defense?
"They're going to have to learn about us, OK? Let them try to stop a pro-style [defense], which has multiple personnel groups and multiple formations. Let's see how they are going to do. They've had their advantage because I've come into recruiting late. Well, now it's Xs and Os time. Let's see who has the advantage now."
We've been Weis-ed. This is the equivalent of running a spread option against Georgia Tech and then abandoning it a quarter into the season. Michigan is running around with ten freshmen playing meaningful time and not one of them has any idea what they're supposed to be doing down to down. Greg Robinson has never had a successful college defense except for his one year at Texas where he just went with the flow before moving on, and his pedigree comes from the NFL. GERG E. Coyote, man.
So… your firing stance after the review of the game?
Even stronger. Michigan needs to get a proven collegiate defensive coordinator by paying ridiculous money and boot at least two and probably all of the other defensive assistants so he can bring in whoever he wants, and he needs an iron fist. There are two possibilities here: either GERG thought this stack was a good idea and needs to be fired, or GERG cannot maintain control over the gameplanning despite what happened in 2008 and needs to be fired along with everyone else.
GTFO.
Got a better example of the stack incoherence that got Kenny Demens eaten?
Yeah:
One step, he reads it, he tries to get back, he's way too close to the LOS and any release from an OL eats him.
How much brunt do the players bear?
Quite a bit, obviously. I mean:
JT Floyd had three instances of the worst coverage I've seen in my life. The one where he correctly read a stop-and-go only to run himself to the sideline five yards in front of the WR is even worse than this one, which is heroagagdddgsagasfying as is. In its glory:
McGloin threw about four terrible passes that a secondary with "players" "somewhat near" the "opponent" coulda/shoulda intercepted. On zero of them was the coverage within yards. Floyd's regressed badly and while Michigan's secondary was horrible with him they're not going to be much more horrible without him.
I won't get on anyone else too badly since we all knew the NT was death minus Martin and the other guys with big shiny negatives are freshmen who shouldn't see the field until they're redshirt juniors (Vinopal, Talbott) or second year players who've been jerked around into positions they aren't suited to and don't know very well (Roh, Cam Gordon). It's obvious why they're bad. This is Floyd's third year and he's not good.
It's symbolic that this is the play where it all went to hell:
Demens has that dead to rights if he can just get some gang tackling help. Marvin Robinson whiffs, Cam Gordon vacates the only area Royster can go, and Royster makes a terrific play to spin outside for the first down. Great play, but you can't spin past three guys without something having gone horribly wrong. That's a true freshman and a redshirt freshman who was a wide receiver last year and a safety last week. FFFUUUUUUUU.
Heroes?
Ryan Van Bergen.
Goats?
Greg Robinson, everyone in the secondary, Not Mike Martin, and whoever decided Craig Roh should play linebacker.
What does it mean for blah blah blah?
Everyone will score every time they touch the ball this year and when Greg Robinson is fired after the season Michigan will hire a Tecmo Super Bowl cartridge to run their defense.
November 4th, 2010 at 1:45 PM ^
of Floyd is absolutely amazing. Is he literally running out of his zone with his back turned, or worse, is that wr his responsibility? Eitherw way, that is some of the worst technique (man or zone) that I have ever seen. Under no circumstance, is it ever permissable for a corner to turn his back and run at the snap of the ball.
November 4th, 2010 at 1:58 PM ^
What is Gibson teaching these kids?
November 4th, 2010 at 2:19 PM ^
How many lowlights have we seen this year where Floyd is completely turned around on what seems to be a run-of-the-mill route? Its amazing when you think about the number of hours these guys spend practicing and learning. To put in all that time and to get turned all around and look silly on those plays is really depressing. Its so bad I'm not even angry. I'm amazed like watching a train wreck amazed.
November 4th, 2010 at 1:47 PM ^
My blood pressure was getting back to normal until I read this.................when we busted that potential 4th down stop in 2nd quarter, I almost put my foot through my tv.......painful.
November 4th, 2010 at 1:48 PM ^
Michigan needs to pick one thing and do it.
This is one of the things Iowa does, AFAIK. They play relatively simple straightford D but since the players know what to do and where to be they don't make mistakes, don't hesitate, and therefore react quickly.
Michigan will hire a Tecmo Super Bowl cartridge to run their defense.
Sad, but I still lol'd.
November 4th, 2010 at 1:51 PM ^
So I wasn't imagining things. This reminds me way too much of that Purdue game, obviously. I know we have a bad hand but it's not being played well at all, and heads need to roll for it, even if they have wonderful gray hair.
I need to stop pretending Greg Robinson's hair is actually a redeeming quality in a DC. I'm losing my mind.
November 4th, 2010 at 1:54 PM ^
On the last critical 3rd down I think it is pretty clear Mouton left his zone and screwed up. Unfortunately, this is one of those situations where I can't totally blame him. they had completed that 5 yard quick out for I think 3 1st downs so far on the day. He has to be getting frustrated. So he reads the play immediately and thinks I better get out there and of course the time he chooses to do that the corner actually wasin coverage and Mcgloin had enough awareness to wait and find the next guy.
Very frustrating
November 4th, 2010 at 1:55 PM ^
I think this sums it up nicely:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlxH9-TYseY&feature=related
"I am trying to break your heart", if the embed doesn't work.
November 4th, 2010 at 1:55 PM ^
Assumption: GERG was forced to make the change to the stack-like formation, and the position changes ...
Result: '08 Purdue-like total fail
My interpretation of Brian's take: GERG's plan (which we all assume he was forced to do) failed. At the very least GERG failed for not having the cojones to stop misconceived knee jerks given the Purdue precedent. Therefore GERG should go, and the guy who waded in and caused the misconceived adjustments continues on ...
To me, either GERG's rendition of the 3-3-5 sucks because of his passive bend, bend and more bending play calling, and should go - OR - the guy who has at least twice waded in and screwed things up even worse and is responsible for the overall program should go.
If it's the former, then clearly say it that way ....
November 4th, 2010 at 2:39 PM ^
If we agree with the original conclusion that it was a bad idea to switch players around and change away from the approach that came close to not being completely terrible against Iowa, how do we not point the finger completely at Rodriguez? He was the one who said he was going to get involved and he seemed to be the one interested in the position switches. If this really is the same as '08 Purdue, the only way I can see getting this upset at Robinson is because he doesn't appear to have the balls to stand up to Rodriguez and actually do things his own way. I am really baffled how the accusations about what was so much worse about this game go to a conclusion that it's all Robinson and doesn't even mention Rodriguez. It just doesn't make sense to me.
November 4th, 2010 at 1:56 PM ^
I'm feelin like I want to rage. Right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOQ0k_yYJFo
November 4th, 2010 at 1:58 PM ^
Got hammered beforehand, and maintained the level of hammered. There was a Halloween party going on as well, so I was in-and-out before I just stayed out. I just read the summary and think I'll leave it at that. What a debacle.
November 4th, 2010 at 2:06 PM ^
If so, you pursued a reasonable course of conduct.
November 4th, 2010 at 2:52 PM ^
Nope, but I wouldn't doubt he took the same approach!
November 4th, 2010 at 9:35 PM ^
It was like someone sewed my asshole closed and kept feeding me...and feeding me...and feeding me...
November 4th, 2010 at 1:58 PM ^
As I said in the Picture Pages from yesterday, I do not think the issue here is scheme. The biggest issue seems to be personnel and the deployment of that personnel. As you said, Thomas Gordon should have been playing Spur, not Cam Gordon. And as much as I hate the idea of Cam Gordon playing free safety, Vinopal should probably have been sitting on the bench. And I also agree that Craig Roh should be playing a hybrid DE/OLB, not the straight-up LB that he's been in the 3-3-5.
The cornerbacks are just straight-up atrocious. The problem is, cornerback is largely a read-and-react skill position. It's kind of like running back. You don't need to be a genius or extremely experienced to succeed there. These guys who aren't very good right now (Floyd, Avery, Talbott, etc.) probably aren't going to be all that great in the long run. We NEED some better cornerbacks, and I don't really think the 2011 commits are a big upgrade at this point, either. Hopefully Rodriguez can pull in a big time player or two in the secondary over the next few months.
November 4th, 2010 at 2:10 PM ^
But Magnus, is there anyone that we have a good chance with a big time player, mostly at cornerback? Crawford seems decent, but I don't know enough about him to call him big time. Obviously, Clinton-Dix or Walls would be great additions, but they are safeties. I don't really see anyone at CB that is a big time player that is seriously considering us.
Please correct me if I am wrong of course.
November 4th, 2010 at 2:18 PM ^
Unfortunately, no. Crawford seems to be the biggest fish we have a chance to get. Doran Grant and others are giant longshots, unless we win these last 4 games and really make a push. Even that might not be enough.
November 4th, 2010 at 2:43 PM ^
Yeah that's what I thought. Well damn. Thanks Magnus.
November 5th, 2010 at 1:01 AM ^
So basically we're screwed.
To get better talent, we need to win.
But without better talent, we can't win.
November 4th, 2010 at 2:22 PM ^
It can't be that hard to get better than atrocious corners. Every other team seems to have at least a couple.
November 4th, 2010 at 2:33 PM ^
This is an entirely accurate assessment of why we've failed so grandly. The deployment of personnel is just astonishingly bad.
For example...
Greg Banks/Renaldo Sagesse platoon at DT forcing Craig Roh to play out of his natural position and put a guy who is 6'5'' and 250 out in space with TEs and RBs. Why not give J.B. Fitzgerald a shot at Spinner? Move to a 4-man front with Banks replacing Fitz in running situations. I'm guessing J.B. and Roh perform better (because of Roh's position switch you see) than Banks & Sageese/Roh.
Thomas Gordon has graded out well every week in UFR. So let's bench the one guy who hasn't been a spectacular failure for a guy who was a colossal bust of a FS. Yes. It's just crazy enough to work.
Frankly, if I'm playing NCAA and running Michigan's D, my deployment is as follows...
3-3-5 - Regular Alignment
NT-Mike Martin
DT-Ryan Van Bergen
DE-Craig Roh
SPIN-J.B. Fitzgerald
MLB-Kenny Demens
WLB-Jonas Mouton
SPUR-Thomas Gordon
BANDIT-Jordan Kovacs
CB-James Rogers
CB-Cullen Christian
FS-Cam Gordon
3-3-5 Heavy
NT-Mike Martin
DT-Greg Banks
DE-Ryan Van Bergen
SPIN-Craigh Roh
MLB-Kenny Demens
WLB-Jonas Mouton
SPUR-Thomas Gordon
BANDIT-Jordan Kovacs
CB-James Rogers
CB-Cullen Christian
FS-Cam Gordon
Nickel & Dime Packages
DT-Mike Martin
DT-Ryan Van Bergen
DE-Craig Roh
DE-Jibreel Black
MLB-Kenny Demens(Taken out in Nickel & Dime situations)
WLB-Jonas Mouton
SPUR-Thomas Gordon (replaced by Carvin Johnson in Dime situations)
BANDIT-Jordan Kovacs
CB-James Rogers
CB-Cullen Christian
NIK & DIME-Courtney Avery
FS-Cam Gordon
November 4th, 2010 at 2:54 PM ^
Great breakdown, ad I largely agree. The scheme makes some sense and had players in position to make plays, but they just didn't. Some of it is experience, some of it is the simple fact that guys are on the field who should be sitting, and some has to be the coaching staff just not preparing the team properly. Floyd is a bad CB and it is hard to see any real growth potential (like Ezeh), but I have to think that of the Avery, Christian, and Taolbott group, one of them will turn into a competent DB. Otherwise, I don't care who comes in next year to be DC - this team will never be able to shut down other teams.
November 4th, 2010 at 3:17 PM ^
Maybe they just got confused and thought it actually was Thomas Gordon playing spur? It's a lot of effort to read jerseys closely all the time.
November 4th, 2010 at 4:39 PM ^
aren't many schools getting better play out of much lower-rated CB recruits? hopefully experience = improvement.
November 4th, 2010 at 1:58 PM ^
Does switching to Geico really save you 15% or more on car insurance?
[dramatic pause, creepy leer]
Is going into battle with GERG as your defensive coordinator a bad idea?
[video of short dump-off on third down going for 18 and Lloyd Brady choking himself]
November 4th, 2010 at 2:14 PM ^
Necessary? Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine?
No, but I do it anyway because it's sterile and I like the taste.
November 4th, 2010 at 2:42 PM ^
If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball.
November 4th, 2010 at 4:43 PM ^
Nobody makes me bleed my own blood!
November 4th, 2010 at 2:01 PM ^
Excellent analysis this week. I think your comments on what is wrong with the defense are spot on. Roh at LB in space accomplishes nothing. Demens' spacing limits his effectiveness. Floyd is taking himself out of position instead of making a play (coaching???) Tom Gordon is more effective at Spur than Cam. I'm not sure if there's a solution at deep safety yet. I'd actually like to see Carvin at deep safety. What have we got to lose? Hoping for Mike Martin's anke to heal and for Avery to step it up at CB.
November 4th, 2010 at 2:11 PM ^
I recall people asking how it could get worse after the Iowa game.... Not saying Carvin isn't the answer, but I think we need to put everyone back to the positions they've been playing all year since they will hopefully have some clue of where to be on the field. We've seen what happens when they are moved out of position mid-season.
November 4th, 2010 at 2:26 PM ^
November 4th, 2010 at 2:28 PM ^
Not only that, now the staff has retarded Roh's development as an edge DE by a year by placing him alternately on the edge and 5 yards off the line in a place he's clearly unsuited to play. He hasn't been able to work on rushing technique or DE keys, which is clearly where he belongs, because he's been frantically trying to learn to be a standup LB. He's actually regressed from his freshman to his sophomore year. This is malpractice.
November 4th, 2010 at 2:47 PM ^
To me, this is probably the most disappointing aspect of the entire defense (and that's really saying something). Roh has completely become a non-factor out there when he was a spark last year. I know they are trying to address positions of need, but he just isn't a LB. They are completely wasting him out there.
I hope this isn't true and take it with a bucket full of salt, but I saw someone on the ESPN forum (I know, I know!) say that Roh was upset with this very thing and is considering his options.
November 4th, 2010 at 2:54 PM ^
As you admit, the source is questionable, but why wouldn't he be? He seems like he has the potential to develop into an NFL prospect. You'd have to assume he would like to develop into an NFL prospect, but that would have to be as a DE. So, if they aren't going to ever let him play DE and make him look like an ass as a linebacker, of course he should consider going somewhere else.
Since we all love analogies, say you got into a college wanting to be an engineer, but they said you don't quite fit our engineering school, but here are some art classes. I think you'd find another school where you could get into engineering, right?
November 4th, 2010 at 3:04 PM ^
I'm not a coach, nor do I claim to know much about this stuff, but why doesn't Roh play DE opposite RVB with MM at the nose? Isn't Fitzgerald or someone else more competent than Roh at LB? If not, this shows a complete lack of development by the coaching staff on JB. I know people will say star values don't mean anything, but we've had a lot of guys recently that were highly rated on the defensive side of the ball that haven't lived up to most people's expectations.
November 4th, 2010 at 4:46 PM ^
not sure why you got negged, but i too think that roh>>>>>banks/black right now and JB<<Roh. but who's to say roh is even better than JB at LB based on what we've seen.
November 4th, 2010 at 2:02 PM ^
I wonder who the driving force behind the defensive adjustments was. Was it Rodriguez who sat down with the GERG and pushed these adjustments like he purportedly pushed the 3-3-5 on Shafer in the 2008 Purdue game? If so, we have a second instance of his mid-season defensive adjustments failing spectacularly allowing an unheralded quarterback to acheive career numbers.
November 4th, 2010 at 3:00 PM ^
November 4th, 2010 at 2:03 PM ^
I've read RR's comments about scheme not mattering, but is it normal in CFB to switch from 3 and 4 down linemen? The responsibilities are so different, and to switch from week to week, or series to series seems like GERG is trying to flex his KNOWLEDGE around.
November 4th, 2010 at 2:04 PM ^
I remember watching that live, looking at my friend and asking him, "Did I just see what I thought I saw there?" to which he replied, "what, like, your DB tackling his own LB instead of the ball carrier and your Safety in essence escorting the RB to a first down?"
At this point, I began to twitch occasionally.
November 4th, 2010 at 2:13 PM ^
I'm not sure a new DC or entire defensive staff would be the answer if they don't have complete control of the scheme and personel. The responsibility of not having an identity on defense has to fall on RR, even if he's just an offensive guru.
I have always been on RR's side but after each game I get closer to saying "It's just not gonna work out."
November 4th, 2010 at 2:13 PM ^
But the Captain of this ship needs to go down with it. It's Rich who can't decide what he wants and how he wants to do it.
The only two things the Purdue disaster of 08 and the PSU disaster of 2010 have in common is Rich..unfortunately.
November 4th, 2010 at 2:13 PM ^
A little bit of me died on that failed stop/missed tackle by 5 defenders.
November 4th, 2010 at 2:15 PM ^
is to take guys like Roh and Demens, who can play some, and put them in positions and places where they can't perform. Vinopal is overmatched physically, and will be for awhile. Roh and Demens aren't, and they are being wasted.
November 4th, 2010 at 2:15 PM ^
Talked to Vlad Emilien this week...regretting his decision by the way...working on getting into Vandy. He made a hasty decision because he got outplayed by JK. Wishes he hadn't...willing to bet D. Warren feels the same way...maybe a few other defectors
November 4th, 2010 at 2:22 PM ^
But, seriously... that sucks. I'd take him back.
November 4th, 2010 at 2:39 PM ^
If this conversation happened and is accurate, then that is really sad. Its a perfect example of why people need to stick things out just a little longer than they first think. He might still be miserable but at least he wouldn't have the regret he's feeling, if true.
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