Its gaze is a fearsome thing, a twisted thing, one full of boredom and anger that have calcified into hatred. [Patrick Barron]

Punt-Counterpunt: Michigan State 2021 Comment Count

Seth October 30th, 2021 at 6:36 AM

MSU Links: The Podcast, FFFF Offense (chart), FFFF Defense (chart)

Something's been missing from Michigan gamedays since the free programs ceased being economically viable: scientific gameday predictions that are not at all preordained by the strictures of a column in which one writer takes a positive tack and the other a negative one… something like Punt-Counterpunt.

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PUNT

By Bryan MacKenzie
@Bry_Mac

I don’t want to talk about the Michigan/Michigan State rivalry.

Whenever people talk Michigan/Michigan State, everyone gets mad. And not fun mad. Mad mad. Couch-burning, midfield-kicking, knock-you-unconscious-with-a-hockey-stick-from-behind mad. Both fan bases seethe over this one. Players, coaches, fans, media… everyone loses their collective crap. Mark Dantonio made an entire career—a very successful career that allowed him to retire on his own terms and completely of his own volition⁠—off of being Big Mad about Michigan.

Coach, quick question for you…

I’ve been writing Opponent Watch for almost nine full seasons now, and the underlying ethos of Opponent Watch has been, and remains, “college football is good and funny because everything is bad and stupid.” Everything, good or bad, is to be laughed at. We laugh at Michigan and Nebraska and Wisconsin and Michigan State and Jim Delaney and the Big Ten and music and weather and science and the sun and the moon and the stars. It’s dumb, but dumb is fine.

[After THE JUMP: No joy. Only sportsball.]

In recent years the articles have been posted regularly over on Reddit’s r/CFB page. Fans from most of the Big Ten schools show up in the comments, and by and large every school’s fans ‘get it.’ They understand that college football is for fun and entertainment, and that it’s okay to laugh at yourself. Only one fan base gets super pissed about the disrespekt every week, to the point where Ohio State fans—OHIO STATE FANS—jump in with a “dude, you know this isn’t serious, right?”

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Barron

There’s no joy to this series. Only relief for the winner, and the hope that your actual real-world relationships with friends, family, and neighbors won’t be marred by the sportsball. It seems unhealthy, even for a part of the world that derives its importance from the irrational value we place on it. College football is Bitcoin by other means, but this rivalry has reached full GameStop.

And that’s fine. I suppose it’s always been this way. I was knocked on my ass tailgating on the MSU tennis courts more than once a couple of decades ago by drunk Sparty goobers. Dr. Sap has video of fans in 1941 and 1943 getting their version of spicy (which is, like, great-grandpa what are y’all doing?). It’s one of the few rivalries where everyone seems to agree, “No night games, please.”

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Because reasons.

Maybe I’m just getting older, and hatin’ is a young man’s game. Besides, the game on the field, while full of ANGAR and general grump, is pretty straightforward. The better team usually wins.

But if the teams are somewhat evenly matched and equally motivated by the hate of a million perceived insults, what’s the deciding factor? Well, one person on the field has extra motivation that exists on a plane that inside observers can’t appreciate. For Mel Tucker, this isn’t a hill on which to win or die. This is a stage on which to audition. There are bigger catfish to fry, and he isn’t going to let a silly thing like the pathological need to become consumed by the pettiness and animosity stand in the way of business. And on this Saturday, that’s enough.

Michigan State 27, Michigan 21

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COUNTERPUNT

By Internet Raj
@internetraj

Nestled away in the corner Mel Tucker’s Twitter bio is a link to his decidedly low-key YouTube channel. When I clicked the link, I was hoping for some useful tidbits about the coach and, if I was lucky, maybe some fodder for a few jokes at his expense. My effort was rewarded in spades.

The headline video is his “Michigan State Football 2020 Season Hype Trailer.” I watched it and can dutifully report that it’s one of the more generically hollow, but wholly innocuous, videos I can remember. The video begins with a black screen and the ominous sound of metal clanging on metal ringing through the air. Slowly the screen fades in to an intense Tucker, who glares menacingly at the camera, using one hand to rhythmically bang a hammer into his other palm to punctuate a halting string of rapid-fire coaching clichés like, “Tough”, “Driven”, “Hard-working”, “Smart,” “Competitive,” and, of course, his trademark coup-de-grâce, “#Relentless”.

Interspersed between Tucker’s empty MBA buzzword utterances is stock footage of an unidentified blacksmith hammering away at red-hot bits of metal in a steel forge, most assuredly a heavy-handed metaphor of the “toughness” and “grit” for which Tucker wants his MSU squad to be known.

I’m not going to make too much fun of Tucker for this video – it’s harmless and don’t forget that our own head coach has his players wearing literal “blue collar” shirts to away games. But it’s hard not to laugh at how literal Tucker is. The banner at the top of his YouTube channel blares “SPARTAN DAWGS” with Tucker surrounded by two actual dogs. This is also the man who has dubbed Spartan Stadium “The Woodshed” and has made “chopping wood” his signature motivation tactic. With Mel Tucker, what you see is what you get.

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In case you were confused

I kept scrolling through Tucker’s YouTube channel, though, and found something much more bizarre. Apparently unbeknownst to anyone, Mel Tucker spent the fall of 2020 posting a video series of “Word of the Week Wednesdays.” When I say unbeknownst to anyone, I really mean that. The videos, on average, have about 90 total views each, a jarring statistic for a bona fide celebrity head coach commanding a $5.5 million salary. I mean, the random guy from my high school who streams Olive Garden reviews in Fort Wayne, Indiana, puts up better numbers than these.

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But forget all that. In each episode of “Word of the Week Wednesdays” series (I’ve watched them all), Tucker picks a generic word seemingly at random (“Vigor”, “Meritorious”, “Wondrous”, and more) and then, striking the tone of a gentle and patient elementary teacher speaking to their class of 8-year-olds, proceeds to explain the part of speech, definition, and an example of how the word is used in the sentence. Tucker caps each video by imploring the viewer to “do their part” and use the designated word in a sentence in the comment section. Even as a Wolverine fan, I couldn’t suppress the pang of sadness that reverberated through the inner core of my soul when I realized most of the videos had 0 comments.

These videos have twisted my brain into a pretzel. Tucker is by all accounts a great person and excellent coach. But why on Earth did Tucker make these? Who could they possibly have been for? For what purpose? Why, Mel, why? We’ll probably never know. “Word of the Week Wednesdays” aired its tenth and final episode in December 2020. Tucker has not posted since.

You might be wondering why this column eschewed the red meat of the UM-MSU rivalry in favor of a deep-dive of a very weird YouTube channel. I’ll leave the vitriol to the Twitter nuts and message board mavens. I don’t have the energy for it and as Bryan so eloquently put it in his Punt column, “hatin’ is a young man’s game.” Me? I’ll take the weird fringes of the rivalry all day, even if that’s Mel Tucker doing a completely bizarre outdoor camera unboxing video.

I don’t know if Coach Tucker is willing to revive “Word of the Week Wednesdays,” but if he is, I got a good one for next week: “Loss.”

Michigan 37, MSU 17

Comments

Blue Vet

October 30th, 2021 at 7:20 AM ^

BryMac & IntRaj, you kinda made your point about this rivalry not being fun or funny by not being funny.

I'm not sure what I think about that. On one hand, you're right. This one overloads on vitriol.

On the other hand, maybe yucks will help ease the pressure.

On the other other hand, who the hell knows?

Beat State.

LabattsBleu

October 30th, 2021 at 10:48 AM ^

I would like Tucker to leave because MSU fans would be full meltdown mode...Not scared of Tucker though. Fuck that.

The expectation here should be that Harbaugh ought to be good enough to at least beat him at least 50% of the time...If he isn't, that is problem that you solve internally, not by hoping an opposing coach runs away.

BlueTuesday

October 30th, 2021 at 8:01 AM ^

I’m in the 37-17 camp myself, though I’m not sure which direction it goes. Whoever wins this, it won’t be a close game. One team will clearly shine through as the better team. I’m giving 2 out of 3 it’s us and 1 out of 3 it’s them.

Go Blue,  and to the Victor goes the spoils.

 

Sparty Doesn't Know

October 30th, 2021 at 8:08 AM ^

Getting nervous for this one now that it is game day.  Love the tone of this column as this game, particularly this edition, doesn't really lend itself to a funny Saturday morning.

 

IDKaGoodName

October 30th, 2021 at 8:24 AM ^

Score early, score often. Be efficient in the red zone, and stuff the run. And fer god sakes get out there and hit somebody!


 

Coach Rig : Now, let's analyze what's been working for us.

[Long pause] 

Coach Rig : NOT A GOD DAMN THING'S been working for us. Like this goddamn suit doesn't work for me... and this stinking tie... and this goddamned shirt. IT DOESN'T WORK FOR ME. YOU KNOW HOW TO PLAY WINNING HARD-NOSED FOOTBALL? YOU PLAY FOOTBALL LIKE ED GENERRO PLAYED FOOTBALL. A guy who gave his life for this football team. He was a 140-pound halfback, and HE PLAYED LIKE A GODDAMN WILDMAN! NO! LIKE A GODDAMN RAMPAGING BEAST! And that's the way you got to do it! YOU GO OUT THERE! YOU TEAR THEIR FUCKING HEADS OFF, AND YOU SHIT DOWN THEIR NECKS! Let us pray.

volnedan

October 30th, 2021 at 8:52 AM ^

The rain definitely helps our game plan. If it keeps up, I say 29-27 UM with plenty of heart attacks as Harbs "follows the chart" and goes for two at terrible times.

It's so odd how the visiting team has won recently. 

Perkis-Size Me

October 30th, 2021 at 9:16 AM ^

I don’t know that it necessarily helps our gameplan. It probably doesn’t help MSU’s either, but if Michigan wants to win this game, it has to be able to throw. MSU is going to stack the box until Cade proves he can beat them through the air. And that becomes that much harder in the rain.

Pretty much all that rain will do in this situation is increase the likelihood that the outcome will be determined by just a handful of plays, maybe even just one. Who commits that one turnover deep in their own territory, who allows that one bust that allows Walker, Corum or Haskins to scoot for 75 yards and a TD, Who commits the stupid penalty that gives the other team first set of downs on the final drive and a go ahead TD?

if Michigan loses today, then so be it. But I’d rather it not be lost on one or two plays.

Sparty Doesn't Know

October 30th, 2021 at 9:07 AM ^

By the way, I find the quote under the photo to be an egregious affront to the "no politics" rule that is flourished about when a certain point of view is expressed around here...

At least use a "journalist" who didn't resign in disgrace for having a suspect definition of nazi tattoo.

 

 

Seth

October 30th, 2021 at 9:31 AM ^

Man for real? You're going to share right wing propaganda against a person who wrote a book about right wing hate groups because she wrote about right wing hate groups? I'll change the quote because I didn't think I was going to flush out a real life Proud Boy on this site, but this Jew also gets to ban you. Goodbye.

jbrandimore

October 30th, 2021 at 9:09 AM ^

I agree with the take that this rivalry is mostly toxic.

it is known that many decades ago, Michigan opposed allowing MSU into the Big Ten.

Sadly, people that mention this fail to also note Michigan was right.

BakkerUSMC

October 30th, 2021 at 9:37 AM ^

For the sake of the children, can we please start leaving comments on his 'word of the day Wednesdays' videos? Leaving some insightful comments may be fun, for example I can think of a few:

"That referee missed another holding call - that's wondrous"

"I thought blocking below the waist was a wondrous tactic"

"Coach, I took that wondrous pill you handed out the other day and now I have hair growing out of my palms" 

 

Perhaps we could bring some joy into the world...

Perkis-Size Me

October 30th, 2021 at 10:33 AM ^

This is the only game on the schedule that I don’t look forward. I look forward to it like I look forward to getting a root canal. I just want to get it over with. 

Hell, I look more forward to OSU then I do this game, even when I know that game is almost certainly ending in a loss. I’ve accepted that. But there is no joy in this game or this rivalry. I don’t even feel like there’s a mutual respect. Both sides hate and despise each other and wouldn’t mind seeing the other side get run over by a bus. It’s just flat out toxic. And this is coming from a guy who came from out of state when he went to UM, so I probably don’t even know the half of it.

All I do with this game, every single year, is just shut my eyes and hope for the best. 

LabattsBleu

October 30th, 2021 at 10:41 AM ^

hope I don't jinx it, but I feel reasonably good about the game on defense at least... I tend to agree with Craig that MSU's offense is a bit inflated due to opponents and their DL have had an inordinate number of opportunities vs passing downs.

The question remains on which Cade the team gets today? I think Michigan will need a couple of explosion plays (>30 yards) via the pass game today to keep the MSU defense honest.

Michigan wants to atone for the game last year, and I think this team will be able to do that.

27 - 14 Michigan. We'll see...anxious for the game

Hotel Putingrad

October 30th, 2021 at 10:53 AM ^

I get that for those who still reside in the Mitten this game can provoke more angst and anger than anything else.

For those of us who have long since moved away, however, it's just a regular conference game, albeit one with consistently curious outcomes. My only interactions with Sparties these days are on Twitter, and they're easily muted.

But to Bryan's point, this is how college football sucks you in. After last season's debacle, nobody honestly expected either team to be undefeated at this juncture. And now we're supposed to believe both are top-10 teams? Bullshit!

(Hilarious, but bullshit all the same.)

We'll know after the first quarter where this one is headed. Sit back and enjoy the ride.

 

jmblue

October 30th, 2021 at 11:05 AM ^

I don’t know that I buy that both teams in this game are top 10 material, but one might be.  That said, I don’t think last year holds a lot of relevance.  Between teams having a totally disrupted offseason, players opting out (and Shoop apparently doing likewise), Covid outbreaks, etc., it was nothing like a normal football season - other that Bama won it all.

Broken Brilliance

October 30th, 2021 at 4:25 PM ^

Last year you guys arbitrarily said Mel Tucker was in qanon, this year there's a sneaky quote in there insinuating all state folks are "white supremacists" and were exposed by some catfishing "journalist". Stop generalizing all fanbases along political lines and we might stop losing one score games in this game. Thank you.

sambora114

November 1st, 2021 at 11:40 AM ^

Bryan--loved the point. I totally agree; most of my family went to Michigan State and honestly wins are met with relief and losses with happiness that it's over. Michigan's only reward if beating Michigan State in football is appreciation for beating a rival but dread that it won't likely beat it's "main" rival.