[Patrick Barron]

Preview: Michigan State 2020 Comment Count

Brian October 30th, 2020 at 3:04 PM

Essentials

WHAT Michigan State at Michigan

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Mel Tucker is a QAnon guy. Fact.

WHERE Michigan Stadium
Ann Arbor, MI
WHEN 12:05 PM ET
Saturday, Oct. 31
THE LINE Michigan –24.5 (Vegas)
Michigan -19 (Bill C.)
TELEVISION FOX
PBP: Gus Johnson(!)
Analyst: Joel Klatt
Reporter: Jenny Taft
TICKETS not this year
WEATHER

sunny, mid-40s,
0% chance of precip
10 mph wind

Overview

Jim Harbaugh did not question Mark Dantonio's manhood at midfield. He did not run over Dantonio's dog with a tricked-out ATV. He did not rip the beating heart from a beloved family member and eat it in front of a horrified 11,109 at Fort Wayne's Allen County War Memorial Coliseum. In these various ways Jim Harbaugh failed to guarantee that the smarmy, corrupt architect of Michigan State's recent success would reap the whirlwind.

But since he called that What's Your Deal touchdown play while up 37-10 last year, eh, we'll call it even. Also that guy is stalking around an empty stadium fuming at the very things he wrought.

Dantonio hung on just long enough to collect a giant retention bonus, then fled a lawsuit, leaving Michigan State in the lurch. They eventually sweetened the pot enough for Mel Tucker to abandon Colorado after one 5-7 season featuring Laviska Shenault. Then they turned the ball over seven times in a loss to Rutgers.

Now: blood.

[Hit THE JUMP for the remnants]

Run Offense vs Michigan State

End of an era:

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That is a Michigan State safety lined up 15 yards deep on first and ten. This is was universal and is more DJ Durkin than Mark Dantonio. As a college football person let me be the first to state that this is Wrong. This is Bill Callahan arriving at Nebraska and discarding the QB run game. If you take over for a program that is renowned for doing a thing and immediately change it you are doomed.

Anyway: this could be more of a slog than you might anticipate. Despite scoring 38 points, Rutgers didn't actually do that much other than wait for MSU to shoot itself in the foot and then take advantage of short fields. They managed 128 yards on 38 carries, just 3.3 yards a pop. MSU held Isiah Pacheco to 3.2; QB Noah Vedral was Rutgers's most effective option.

There's still a fair bit of talent on the MSU defensive line. Naquan Jones is a giant former four-star who's at least vaguely on NFL radarsDrew Beesley had a good game against Rutgers and looks like he might be a find. PFF graded Jacub Panasuik (yes, the one who keeps trying to injure Michigan players) as the second-best returning pass rush DE in the Power 5. They even have some depth. Seth thought Panasuik was a negative on the ground, on the other hand.

Their linebacker corps features former four-star Antjuan Simmons, who is a  quality player, and they play an eight-man front (or close enough) most of the time by sticking the box safety down low. It would not be a shock for Michigan's ground game to have some initial issues.

Joe Milton's ability to move the ball with his legs could break a deadlock. As we all experienced during the mercifully brief DJ Durkin era, having a safety at 15 yards means a team that can option off a defender, or just go QB run, will be able to eat up a significant amount of ground before the unblocked guy becomes relevant. Also Seth noted the continued, frequent deployment of double-A gap blitzing that Michigan has a good handle on now. Questions about a new OL backsliding in this department were mostly answered when Minnesota's repeated double-A blitzing was picked up. Get one of those right and a chunk beckons.

This will be a real test. It's a test that's not likely to be a game-deciding one, but if Michigan can come close to replicating their output from the Minnesota game that would point to a truly top-end ground game.

KEY MATCHUP:  INTERIOR OL vs NAQUAN JONES AND FRIENDS. Or MAYBE NOT DOING THAT. Michigan's approach in the first game was to hammer the DTs and run right up the gut. Two possible routes this goes: one is that Michigan asks quien es mas macho and we find out. The other is Josh Gattis avoiding the strength of the MSU defense like he did last year and dumping everything to the perimeter.

Pass Offense vs Michigan State

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Tre Person (#24, prone) has been a little rough [Bryan Fuller]

Anyway. Rutgers provides very little in the way of data here, particularly about MSU's corners. Rutgers deploys two slot receivers and dumped the ball to Pachecho a bunch. They're barely less limited than MSU when it comes to dropping back and exploring the deeper reaches of the field. Seth had relatively little grading for them:

That left the corners alone underneath. CB #18 Kalon Gervin (+1/-1.5, +3/-4 cov) is annoyingly good at press coverage for a smallish 4* from Cass Tech, though he gets lost sometimes when they go to their unpracticed Cover 3 zone. CB #12 Chris Jackson (+2/-3, +0/-4 cov) is the same age but looked dodgy and new starter-ish.

Neither of those guys is sophomore Julian Barnett, who played WR last year and was limited to special teams snaps. Barnett is probably the best athlete on the team, soooo… yeah. Can't get on the field.

Meanwhile, Tre Person, who you may remember…

…is now the starting deep safety. They put him way back so getting over the top of him is going to be a job, but the flipside of that is the prospect of raining balls in between levels, especially after play action. Double especially after QB play action. Milton was quite good at finding that quick post in the Minnesota game, and that area of the field is going to be even more open with a single high safety.

Michigan is also likely to reprise last year's gameplan, which featured Ronnie Bell obliterating guys en route to a +11.5 UFR blocking score. MSU is playing press so the bubbles are likely to be off the table, but there are other ways to sneak guys into the flat and take advantage of an overall lack of athleticism on the MSU defense.

KEY MATCHUP:  JOE MILTON vs GUYS UNDERNEATH ROUTES ACROSS THE MIDDLE. MSU will be dropping guys into unexpected areas as they try to bait a new QB into turnovers

Run Defense vs Michigan State

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Collins has been reduced to a platoon option [Patrick Barron]

This section could probably be "lol" and cover it. Michigan State's 2019 ground game was abominable. MSU failed to crack 100 yards against OSU, Wisconsin, Michigan, Penn State, or (for some reason) Maryland. They barely got over that number against Tulsa, Arizona State, and Northwestern.

Now they're worse. MSU was 12 yards away from suffering a rushing Rutger against Rutgers. Remove sacks and MSU rushed for 74 yards on 35 carries. Barely two yards an attempt. Against Rutgers. This team:

2019 Rutgers rush D, sacks not excised

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(A that-was-then note: Michigan is the 141 there. IE, the second-worst rushing output against the Cable Subscribers in 2019.) Without even bothering to remove sacks, MSU's rushing output against Rutgers dropped by more than a third. It does not matter if Michigan's defensive tackles are slightly butt. This is going to be a slaughter.

FWIW, Seth graded MSU's OL. The following blockquote is for sadists only:

Still filling in for the promise of a Dobbs one day is LT #75 AJ Arcuri (+1/-3 –2 pass pro in this game), who never quite hit 300—when you're 300 on the roster you're never 300—and gets pushed around by guys in the 240s. The LG filler is currently #59 Blake Bueter (+1/-10, –1 pass pro) whose 247 composite ranking was "I didn't know they go that high." … RG #56 Matt Carrick (+4.5/-9.5, –3.5 pass pro) and RT #75 Kevin Jarvis (+4/-5.5, –9.5 pass pro) were the guys they tried to run behind most. As the scores suggest, Carrick's pass protection is so bad they sometimes just have him chip; Jarvis is so stiff and slow it often looks like he's not even trying. C #64 Matt Allen (+4/-14, –4 pass pro) probably isn't trying to get his coaches fired, but if he was there wouldn't be much different about his game.

The problems are everywhere. One problem is that Elijah Collins, the lone bright spot on last year's offense, was relegated to a bit player. Connor Heyward, a leaky molasses truck of a back, got the start. Freshman Jordon Simmons led MSU with 14 carries and 43 yards. Collins got 9 carries, on which he got 3(three) yards.

Another problem is that MSU's traditionally effective QB ground game isn't picking up slack it needs to. Rocky Lombardi got four carries and gained 20 yards. This used to be a program that got a 500-yard rushing season out of Brian Lewerke; even Connor Cook was utilized as a critical third down option. Lombardi himself averaged 3.4 yards a carry two years ago, a number that would shoot up significantly if I could accurately remove sacks. (I cannot because Lombardi played in pieces of a bunch of games.) MSU is the sort of team that needs to put a ton on its QB ground game for all the reasons Michigan's offense feels night and day from last year; didn't seem like that was happening in the opener.

This should be a blowout, with the prospect of a Michigan bust the best chance for MSU to do anything.

KEY MATCHUP: MICHIGAN vs ITSELF. Gap integrity is the only thing separating Michigan from a two YPC outing.

Pass Defense vs Michigan State

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Lombardi has been recalibrated [Bryan Fuller]

This was not horrible against Rutgers, but as Ace pointed out on the podcast Rocky Lombardi's 7.4 yards per attempt was actually worse than the 8.0 MSU put up last year. On the season the Cable Subscribers allowed opponents to gain 8.1 yards an attempt.

This is still massive improvement from Lombardi, who entered the season with career numbers approximately on par with what you'd get from a manatee in a helmet. He had 175 attempts in 2018 and 2019. He completed 43%(!) of them for 4.6(!!!) yards an attempt with 3 touchdowns and 5 interceptions. Speaking as someone who was all birdman.gif about Michigan State's season, Lombardi having a decent outing where he looked like a P5 quarterback was massively disappointing even in the midst of a loss to Rutgers.

No, he's not good. Yeah, he did this.

But he no longer looked like a sea mammal abandoned inland. I wanted Hunter Johnson 2019.

Lombardi's main target was Jayden Reed, a sit-out transfer from WMU who left after a productive freshman season. He is a downfield slot with good size (6'0"), plus athleticism, and good hands. He also fumbled twice against Rutgers. Jalen Nailor was the only WR with more than one catch. He's a lot like Reed minus some open-field ability. He is legitimately fast and may be able to pop open deep; if MSU catches Michigan in man while they're running mesh he could be a problem. Tre Mosley had 21 catches last year and is definitely a football wide receiver.

Pass protection projects to be a disaster for MSU. Rutgers was one of the least threatening teams in America last year (110th, 18 sacks). They had three sacks and another hurry; one of the sacks was a blindside sack/strip that set Rutgers up on the one yard line. That wasn't an OL issue, it was a running back with no idea what he was supposed to do. That projects to continue for a new staff with a skeleton roster that was forced to halt activities for COVID this fall.

Put the Michigan State OL up against Hutchinson and Paye and anything more than rhythm three-step drop passing is likely to end up with Lombardi reassembling himself on the sideline.

KEY MATCHUP: DAX HILL (hopefully) vs JAYDEN REED. Michigan just played against a team that put their best receiver in the slot. The performance delta between Hill and freshman Makari Paige was large. If Michigan can put the clamps on Reed it's going to be tough to make those yards up elsewhere.

SPECIAL TEAMS

REED is returning kicks; NAILOR returns punts. Neither did much against Rutgers. Nailor did have an explosive kick return last year on just four opportunities.

Kickoff specialist COLE HAHN returns after a season where he had a touchback rate of just 17% and put the ball out of bounds four times. He may have lost the job to MATT COGHLIN, the placekicker. He had two kickoffs; Hahn had two, one of which was onside.

Coghlin, meanwhile, is in his fourth year as State's kicker. Here's some #collegekickers for you: MSU's Field Goal efficiency* in the Coghlin era was average to good (43rd in 2017, 31st in 2018) before dropping off a cliff last year(89th). Coghlin did make his two attempts against Rutgers.

Punter BRYCE BARINGER averaged 51 yards a pop on his two punts against Rutgers. His only track record prior to last Saturday was a brief role during the Great MSU Punt Disaster Of 2018. His 15 attempts then averaged a mere 32 yards. 

*[a metric that gives you more credit for a 50 yarder than a 30 yarder, etc.]

KEY MATCHUP:  AHHHH YOU PUT IT THROUGH THE UPRIGHTS [ed: !!!!!!!]

INTANGIBLES

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CHEAP THRILLS

Worry if…

  • MSU still has a July drive despite the massive turnover and incompetence.
  • Michigan fumbles seven times.
  • Mel Tucker's "That Team Over There" rhetoric turns MSU into OSU.

Cackle with knowing glee if…

  • It's a passing down for MSU.
  • It's a running down for MSU.
  • Joe Milton continues being the Fonz.

Fear/Paranoia Level: 2 (Baseline: 5; +1 for Michigan State Psych-Out Juju Stuff, –1 for They Are Terrible, –1 for They Lost To Rutgers By Two Scores, –1 for The Only Two Good Recruits They Have Aren't Even Playing, –1 for They're Deep In OL Hell, +1 for Overconfidence Plagues The Fanbase, –1 for Harbaugh Petty Comin')

Desperate need to win level: 10 (Baseline: 5; +1 for Faint Possibility This Is The Last Game Of The Season, +1 for Paul Bunyan, +1 for M Losing To MSU As A Four-Score Favorite In The Immediate Aftermath Of The Dantonio Era Is Not To Be Thought About, +1 for NOT TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT, +1 for They Lost To Rutgers)

Loss will cause me to… wrap myself in a high-quality tobacco leaf and insert myself into Mel Tucker's maw, so I can be set on fire and die

Win will cause me to… eagerly await the Now We Read The RCMB portion of the Ace Pod.

The strictures and conventions of sportswriting compel me to predict: 

MSU can piece together drives with outside frippery against corners that aren't great in run support (probably) but at some point the lizard brain is going to take over and they're going to run the ball up the middle for zero yards. Then they'll be in a passing down, whereupon Michigan's defensive ends will feast.

When Michigan's on offense they'll try to keep it simple for Milton, which may lead to a slow start. One dollar says Gattis avoids grinding it up the middle much, at least early. Michigan will ask them to tackle in space, and they'll mostly not be able to do so in time.

Finally, three opportunities for me to look stupid tomorrow:

  • M hands MSU a rushing Rutger.
  • Joe Milton throws a touchdown to an impossibly wide open guy.
  • Michigan, 32-11

Comments

Elno Lewis

October 30th, 2020 at 3:23 PM ^

I hate Infolinks.

Do YOU hate Infolinks also?

 

Can we agree that we all hate Infolinks?

Its not INFO its ads, and okay I know the Brain Cook has to put bread on the table but fruckerbabble does it have to be with obnoxious Infolinks?

 

I'll hang up and listen to your answer.

reshp1

October 30th, 2020 at 3:26 PM ^

I'm also getting wall to wall bra ads on the sidebar from google ads. I don't think I've been to a website that has worse ad targeting.

Anyway, back to the MSU game, I can't help but feel the Mgoblog staff are overrating their defense. Unless we're hedging against a Milton regression, 32 seems low. 

skatin@the_palace

October 30th, 2020 at 3:43 PM ^

I was kind of thinking the same thing. They have 2 players in the middle of their defense (Simmons MLB, Jones DT), outside of that we've got more talent at every spot. I understand this game has been home to ridiculousness but this may be the year to count the chickens before they hatch. Not sure anyone is going to be running with the various slot/bug types come Saturday, especially if Gattis calls another good game. 

skatin@the_palace

October 30th, 2020 at 3:43 PM ^

I was kind of thinking the same thing. They have 2 players in the middle of their defense (Simmons MLB, Jones DT), outside of that we've got more talent at every spot. I understand this game has been home to ridiculousness but this may be the year to count the chickens before they hatch. Not sure anyone is going to be running with the various slot/bug types come Saturday, especially if Gattis calls another good game. 

skatin@the_palace

October 30th, 2020 at 3:43 PM ^

I was kind of thinking the same thing. They have 2 players in the middle of their defense (Simmons MLB, Jones DT), outside of that we've got more talent at every spot. I understand this game has been home to ridiculousness but this may be the year to count the chickens before they hatch. Not sure anyone is going to be running with the various slot/bug types come Saturday, especially if Gattis calls another good game. 

MRunner73

October 30th, 2020 at 4:00 PM ^

The very cautious low score offense by Michigan may be from PTSD from years past. This isn't a Dantonio coached team anymore. Mel Tucker is still an unknown, to be fair, but he's more overrated than underrated at this point.

In week 1, his team was unprepared to play a Rutgers team that in all fairness, has a better HC and assistant coaching staff. In week 2, I expect modest improvement from Tucker's team. Compared to Michigan, sparty is outgunned in just about any position. I would ask, would any of their 1st strong players start at Michigan? Is there anybody on their team that we wish we had? NO is the answer to both.

Harbaugh wants to win big in this game and even if the 2nd and 3rd stringers play much of the second half, JH will keep piling on the offense.

Did anyone think we'd score 35 on Minny at halftime last week? Not me. If we get another offensive showing like we did last week, then lookout, here we come! Go Blue!

reshp1

October 30th, 2020 at 5:21 PM ^

Meh. Jones would play here for sure. The other guys didn't seem like an upgrade over even our back up guys. They're big and gap pluggers but didn't offer much of anything else. Their lack of athleticism really jumped out when they tried to run some twists in pass rush. The DTs took ages to get into their new gaps. I'd take our guys that maybe don't hold up as well to double teams but can at least get off the ball and into the backfield occasionally. 

bronxblue

October 30th, 2020 at 4:23 PM ^

Yeah, I think MSU's defense is fine and aren't to blame completely for Rutgers dropping 38 on them but this feels a bit like the MGoBlog staff can't quite get over the fact that Dantonio is gone and buried and this MSU team, while fielding P5-level players, would be a hell of a lot less scary if they had "Maryland", "Rutgers", "Nebraska", etc. on their jerseys.  It's a mediocre team in the first year of a rebuild with a couple of good pieces but also a lot of just guys who looked semi-competent in a game they lost by double digits to a Rutgers team that hasn't won a conference game in 2+ season.  

I do think Michigan's offense will come back to earth a bit, in some part because MSU will put up a fight, but it's still going to be a double-digit win unless MSU catches a ton of breaks.

1VaBlue1

October 31st, 2020 at 7:47 AM ^

Gah!!  The ads on the top, bottom and sidebar reduced my viewing window to half the size of the whole window.  I tried to hold it out and allow the page views to add up, but I could no longer.  A couple of days ago I had to install an ad blocker.  The difference is a revelation!  I can now load a page without waiting an extra 5-7 seconds for all the ads to stop bouncing it around, and actually click the link I want!

Sorry, MGoPage, I was losing my sanity and just couldn't do it anymore...

befuggled

October 30th, 2020 at 4:01 PM ^

It's Michigan State playing Michigan. Even in years when Michigan is significantly better than Michigan State, they rarely get blown out. Games like last year's 44-10 win or 2002's 49-3 win are pleasant exceptions.

Remember that 2016 game? Michigan had a good team that (sigh) stumbled late, and Michigan State finished 3-9. When they played it looked for a moment like Michigan was going to put it away in the second half, but MSU held on tightly enough to make the score look more respectable than it actually was. 

And provided the great entertainment of the two-point conversion fumble Jabril Peppers returned for a score after MSU's last-second meaningless touchdown.

1VaBlue1

October 31st, 2020 at 7:58 AM ^

This isn't that team.  This isn't that coach.  This version of MSU football is a shell of its former self of 2016.  Hell, it's barely even a shell of itself of 2017 and 2018.  We'll see if Tucker can re-establish that chip, but I doubt it.  I seriously doubt it.  They need a boulder the size of which Dantomino couldn't even conjure up...

WoodleyIsBeast

October 30th, 2020 at 3:25 PM ^

32-11 seems quite conservative against arguably the worst MSU team we've seen in some time, but that would still be a nice victory.  I could see 50+ points with the potential to open up the passing game paired with excellent field position.  

MSU is hoping for a 2.0 version of this(and it is not going to happen):

Michigan Football - UMGoBlue on Twitter: "MSU Defeated with Dignity-- Since  2016 #GoBlue https://t.co/C5m3NyeFXy"

 

lhglrkwg

October 30th, 2020 at 3:35 PM ^

I'm bracing for the possibility that Minnesota's defense might be kinda bad and MSU is able to force some Milton turnovers and/or fluster Milton. I could see the game maybe being a slog that way. That's just the pessimistic Michigan fan in me. I'm sure outsiders fully expect this to be a slaughter

WoodleyIsBeast

October 30th, 2020 at 3:57 PM ^

Understood, and I don't want to get overly optimistic.  They averaged 1.3 YPC against Rutgers....I just don't see how they move the ball against us. Field position should be pretty unbelievable, but stranger things have happened. Milton also played a conservative game through the air, and I could see that opening up.

Either way, nice to consider a 3 td win against MSU as a bit of a letdown.....

BuckeyeChuck

October 30th, 2020 at 4:02 PM ^

Michigan is the better team and will win this game handily...

...but don't be disappointed when Michigan doesn't blow out MSU to the extent that some of you are expecting. MSU's defense is better than Minniesoda's, Michigan will not go up & down the field on MSU like they did last Saturday.

Of course, MSU's offense (particularly running game) is abysmal. MSU will actually make some plays in the passing game against M's secondary (when not destroyed by a DE).

I was thinking 37-11 prior to Brian posting his prediction. When Michigan goes to the half with a lead of 18.5 to 5.5, don't be surprised that it's not a blowout to bloodbath proportions.

Durham Blue

October 30th, 2020 at 4:23 PM ^

I think margin of victory will be 30+.  Michigan will not be taking Sparty lightly.  I think the guys will be jacked sky high.  Could obviously be wrong but I just don't see much of a competition here.

 

Of course, that said, it would be very Sparty like to not show anything against Rutgers, and thereby lose the game in efforts to hide all their good shit for Michigan.

Chaco

October 30th, 2020 at 3:29 PM ^

I hope reality is as bad or worse than you predict for MSU.  Maybe if we had 100,000 murderwolf cutouts in the stands it'd be a stone cold lock.....

lhglrkwg

October 30th, 2020 at 3:34 PM ^

I'm a little afraid Lombardi is going to be annoying decent vs our meh secondary, but I still think this is probably Dantonio PTSD and this program is likely a shell of what it was 10 years ago. Still, I won't start to feel warm and fuzzy till we're up 3 scores

mi93

October 30th, 2020 at 3:37 PM ^

Clearly Mork’s uper Bowl plan was to pull out all the new stuff on the first two drives to try for a lead and all the momentum, then just play grabby games to hold on to the W.

For the first time in years, I’m not worried about that.  For his moral and interpersonal deficiencies, dude was a good coach that got the most out of a lot of guys.  Still, he won’t get what he fully deserves until the state demands he return his January paycheck.

I’m much more interested in how our guys improve week 1 to week 2.  The 2 weeks that follow will definitely increase in difficulty (available players pending).

Go Blue.  Be cruel tomorrow.