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Brian

10/7/2017 – Michigan 10, Michigan State 14 – 4-1, 1-1 Big Ten

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a metaphor for somethin' [Bryan Fuller]

Don Brown is in one of those Progressive commercials where everything gradually turns white, except in his case everything is gradually turning back into Boston College. Someone walks by with a bunch of hockey sticks. Bill Simmons is on the television again. He swears he overhears a conversation about pahking the cah. Maroon filters into his peripheral vision.

On Wednesday at three fifteen PM there is going to be a knock on the door. Steve Addazio is going to walk in and sit down. Brown will summon all his willpower not to jam the nearest pen through his own eyesocket, to claw the power of sight from his face and evaporate from the world of men.

Jay Harbaugh, seated, will wonder if the slight twitch under Brown's eye means anything or if it's just something that happens to men of a certain age. He will not say something about "guys being dudes," and will never know how close he—how close all of us—came to Total Mustache Annihilation. He will tell Brown about Terrace House, a Japanese version of the Real World where everyone is very nice and considerate of each other's feelings.

Thus disabused of the Addazio specter, Brown will resume destroying all that opposes him until the inevitable knife in the back. He tries not to think of Sisyphus, and fails.

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Michigan's main problem on offense is that they are bad at it. This is not a good problem. "Our right tackle sucks" is something you might be able to address. "Almost everyone is not good at football right now" leads to situations like Saturday. I brought up the Law Of Large Percentages Multiplied A Lot, which is something I just made up right now, in a brief twitter conversation with a reporter who wanted people to know one weird thing about Oklahoma football:

That is a weird thing, but it's not as weird as it sounds. If OU was a 10 point favorite in eight games they'd get through unscathed just 12% of the time*. If they were a 14 point favorite they get up to 27%. You have to get up to 17.5—a 93.7% shot at victory!—before Hypothetical OU even hits 50%. The Law Of Large Percentages Multiplied A Lot is that even big ones fall off faster than you'd think.

Michigan's offense has 6-7-8 guys who have to execute on any particular play for it to be a success, and... let's just say many of them are not three-score favorites to do so on any particular play. They are an example of The Law Of Large Percentages And Some Quite Small Ones Multiplied A Lot. The results can be seen in the box score, or the haunted look on the face of a man who replaced ten starters and still has the #3 defense in the country.

And so today the Must brigade is out. "Must" is the worst word in sportswriting for a lot of reasons. Foremost among them is that whatever follows "must" is something so blindingly obvious Marcelo Balboa is probably talking about a replay of it as we speak. He must catch that ball. He must YES WE KNOW I HAVE EYES, AT LEAST FOR NOW, I'M CONSIDERING A CHANGE IN THAT DEPARTMENT, THANK YOU.

I spent most of the weekend trying and failing to get this column done because I couldn't wade into any commentary on the game that wasn't furious and over the top, and immediately made me want to go do something else. Weird shit happens in college football, especially when you're playing your backup QB, and there's a brief second-half monsoon, and on top of that you turn the ball over five times. Various dirt stupid people are now flogging a "Harbaugh is 1-4 versus rivals" thing as if that encapsulates the whole of his tenure, or even his career. Yeah, Michigan had the dumb thing happen on the punt and lost by a literal inch in Columbus last year. If you're ascribing that to something other than chance I cannot help you.

Whatever Harbaugh MUST do he's probably already doing. He has a track record, and he'll either follow that up with more of the same or not. We're oddly locked in: few coaches trying to establish themselves at a new school come with the pedigree that Harbaugh does, so he'll get a ton of time and a bunch of rope and we'll see where it goes. It'll probably go really well once they aren't carrying the baggage of someone else's screwups on top of their base rate.

But I mean, go ahead and yell about how unacceptable everything is, I guess. We are dying to hear about your feelings.

*[This is based on this site's conversion of point spreads to winners.]

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blanket [Fuller]

Known Friends And Trusted Agents Of The Week

-2535ac8789d1b499[1]you're the man now, dog

#1 Mo Hurst. Hurst got to play a lot of three tech this week and went from making good plays that someone else scoops up the glory on to wrecking the interior of the opposition offense himself. The fourth down stop stands out, because Hurst may have induced the fumble from a nervous center; Hurst whooped him anyway and the play was doomed either way.

#2 Lavert Hill. Hill's three PBUs were all excellent plays, and he was in the hip pocket of whoever his assignment was for the duration. MSU had... one open receiver? Maybe two? Lewerke averaged 4.3 YPA. Hill played the largest part in that.

#3 Brad Robbins. Averaged 43 yards a punt in often-difficult conditions and mindblasted the MSU returner on the muff; gave up just ten total return yards on seven attempts.

Honorable mention: Most of the rest of the defense. And... Grant Perry, I guess?

KFaTAotW Standings.

8: Devin Bush (#1 Florida, T2 Cincinnati, T2 Air Force, #1 Purdue)
5: Chase Winovich(#1 Air Force, #2a Purdue) 
3: Mason Cole (#1, Cincinnati), Ty Isaac (#2, Florida, #3 Cincinnati), Mo Hurst (#1 MSU)   
2: Quinn Nordin (#3 Florida, #3 Air Force), John O'Korn (#2 Purdue), Lavert Hill (#2 MSU)
1: Khaleke Hudson (T2 Cincinnati), Tyree Kinnel (T2 Cincinnati), Mike McCray(T2 Air Force), Sean McKeon(T3 Purdue), Zach Gentry (T3 Purdue), Brad Robbins(#3 MSU).

Who's Got It Better Than Us Of The Week

MSU's punt returner dorfs on a bomb by Robbins, muffing it back to the two and setting up a short field that Michigan would use to get their touchdown.

Honorable mention: The first drive was pretty all right until the back-to-back fades.

imageMARCUS HALL EPIC DOUBLE BIRD OF THE WEEK.

Eddie McDoom drops a pass that would have taken Michigan down to the 25 with 13 seconds left.

Honorable mention: Pick a turnover but especially the first two, as they were key in Michigan's deficit by the time the rain arrived. Lewerke scrapes out a late first down because he lands on Michigan players. Michigan gets a touchdown wiped off the board on a Higdon holding call. Most offensive plays.

[After THE JUMP: what would you say you do here]

OFFENSE

Under pressure. I am down with Tim Drevno glaring at this juncture. He got dealt a tough hand. So far he's blown it. He comes in late and takes a flier on Ulizio; Ulizio just got yanked for Bushell-Beatty. More egregious was Michigan's OL recruiting the year after. Despite an obvious, crying need for tackles Michigan took zero—zero zero zero.

They inherited Erik Swenson and dicked around with him until January despite the fact they knew they had no desire to take him. Then they got blindsided by Devery Hamilton's Stanford flip. Replacing those guys was... nobody. Michigan added Stephen Spanellis, who's 100% a guard, and has since played Ben Bredeson exclusively at guard despite the fact that he was supposedly neck and neck with Newsome for the LT job last year. So instead of two redshirt freshman tackle bullets Michigan has nothing but Ulizio and Brady Hoke's leftovers.

Michigan has one highly touted tackle in Drevno's tenure, freshman Chuck Filiaga. Michigan had to know about the looming hole there and they've utterly failed to address it. That goes back to Drevno. Add in the disjointed OL in year three and it might be FCS head coaching time.

Settle in. Bizarrely, in the midst of the game Chris Fowler told the world that Wilton Speight had cracked vertebrae and was out for the season. Tom Van Haaren followed this up with an article:

Wilton Speight has three broken vertebrae in his back, a source confirmed to ESPN.

ESPN's Chris Fowler first reported Speight's injury at the top of ABC's Saturday night broadcast of the Michigan State-Michigan game saying: "Wilton Speight ... he is out, probably for the season. He has three broken vertebrae, he told us." ...

While it's likely that Speight will be out for the remainder of the season, he will be reevaluated six to eight weeks after the injury occurred.

For unnecessary confirmation, a reader forwarded this David Turnley photo along from instasnapbook:

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I got a report that Speight told someone not affiliated with ESPN he could be back in four weeks. I'd assume that the longer projection is more likely to be correct. It boggles the mind that fractured freakin' vertebrae aren't obviously season-ending. Anyway, don't expect Speight back any time soon.

O'Korn couldn't see anything. I don't know how much of O'Korn's tendency to stand in the pocket for four or five seconds before attempting to scramble out was on him and how much was on the wide receivers not getting open. That was the main theme in the passing offense, though: reasonable protection that eventually breaks down on the right side; O'Korn hangs onto the ball way too long. A couple of sacks were four or five seconds in the pocket, and O'Korn has to know that he's not likely to get that much time.

Break glass in case of—*BREAKS GLASS*. If Speight's out for the year and O'Korn continues to struggle the calls for Brandon Peters will be incessant, and I'll be amongst them. Without a radically improved offense this team is topping out as a Citrus Bowl outfit. Time to see what Peters brings to the table.

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THIS IS THE WRONG PERSON TO FADE AT [Upchurch]

I have several problems with you people. Michigan's first drive was going swimmingly until two routes in the corner of the endzone yielded zilch. One was a wheel route to McKeon that was well covered, and I guess that's understandable. The second was a fade to McDoom. Michigan's policy of exclusively throwing fades at people a foot shorter than Zach Gentry is driving me crazy. Fades aren't great in general. Fades at a 5'11" guy who isn't Jeremy Gallon make me want to fade into Bolivia.

At least the Hail Mary went at the right guy:

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[Upchurch]

So we've got that going for us.

Zero QB run game. Other game calling complaints: Michigan had zero QB run game for O'Korn. I'm not asking Michigan to go Denard with him, but at no point did Michigan make MSU even think about O'Korn as a runner. Very frustrating when MSU gets half their rushing yards from Lewerke, and even more so when the second half cried out for various ways to make yards without throwing the ball.

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These guys are too close together [Upchurch]

Next to zero deep shots. I saved the worst for last, but I'm not sure exactly who this is on: Michigan basically did not test the Michigan State safeties in pass coverage. One attempted corner route to Gentry was broken up after it looked like DPJ ran the wrong route, drawing additional defenders—or at least not delaying them. Michigan didn't go after them again, basically for the whole game. What deep shots did exist were on the sideline against the corners; M utterly failed to heed the lessons of the Big 12.

Crawford. He had a play on a deep ball and did not make it, adding to his litany of missed opportunities. Have to wonder if Black could have made a difference here. The continued absence of Oliver Marin and Nico Collins means they're all but certain to redshirt; I guess I can't complain about that because Freshman Wide Receivers Suck, but I am a little disappointed one of them hasn't broken through a battered screen door.

Yes, Brady Hoke is still partially responsible for this. The only Hoke players who are playing more than a very minor role are the two fullbacks, Ty Isaac, Mason Cole, and Patrick Kugler. The quarterback depth chart reads...

  • Generic Three Star
  • Houston Transfer
  • Redshirt Freshman

...because of Hoke.

Michigan's unusual wait to pick up Harbaugh is another contributing factor. Harbaugh brought in a bunch of dudes from the NFL who were picking up college recruiting cold and had to scramble to add a number of guys in three weeks. They added more contributors in that time than Hoke did for the entire cycle. (Wheatley, Gentry, Higdon, and Perry vs Kinnel, Newsome, and I guess Ulizio.) It was still not enough to rescue a tiny class.

DEFENSE

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crunch [Upchurch]

So that's how you stay in contact with five turnovers. The preview projected ten MSU points plus whatever the offense handed them, and this turned out to be pessimistic. MSU had 8 three-and-outs, one of them a four-and-out turnover on downs. They gave up a short-field TD drive based mostly on QB scrambles; they gave up an actual long TD drive that was about half a contested downfield deep ball that was a PBU... and also a catch. A selection of we-saved-this plays got them the rest of the way. One 50 yard run was about the only other thing Michigan gave up until the four-minute drill that got a couple first downs, the second incredibly fortunate.

The second-half D was helped out by the weather and MSU's (very, very correct) conservative approach, but you really can't ask for more. Michigan should have ground MSU down in a field position game for the entirety of the second half and won, but O'Korn's interceptions prevented that.

More Mone. Bryan Mone got his most extensive playing time of the year. He—or another DT—was almost always in there on any manball-ish snap. Mone did well, plowing various dudes back, and that's reassuring for future manball outings and Mone's future in general.

Bush relatively quiet. Devin Bush made a number of tackles at or near the line of scrimmage but didn't have any dramatic backfield plunderings. For the first time this year he was held off the stat sheet aside from tackles. It'll be interesting to see whether that was tactical from either team, a manball effect, or just one of those things.

FWIW, the PF he got was total crap; even if he deserved it he'd just been punched in the face and at worst it should have been offsetting. The offsides at the end was painful. I mean, sort of. It would have been more painful if it seemed like the offense could score in the next sixty years.

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no sir [Fuller]

Lavert Hill headed towards excellent. Hill had three PBUs, each of them excellent. The most excellent may have been a zone snap where he was in cover two and fell off the short route, breaking up a 15-ish yard throw that otherwise would have been a first down chunk. He had another on a deep corner route on which he was in the WR's hip pocket and provided zero window.

There were a few open MSU receivers short in zone stuff and one a bit deeper—he dropped it. Other than that, nothing was open. Brandon Watson kinda sorta got beat on a ball he got his hand on; that's the second time in two weeks that's happened to a Michigan CB. Makes you wonder why Michigan isn't trying to get similar chunks when nothing else is working.

No sacks, barely. Lewerke was dragged down fractionally behind the line of scrimmage a couple times but the official box score had those as zero yard runs, so Rashan Gary did not get credit for a sack when he flung down Lewerke with one hand.

SPECIAL TEAMS

Got one? Probably. Given the trajectory of one MSU punt and Jared Wangler going nuts afterwards I think Michigan got their first punt block of the year. Unfortunately it was one of those that goes 22 yards instead of –22 yards, but that's life, especially in this game.

Hartbarger was seemingly uncomfortable on a couple more, with some uncharacteristically short punts.

Never return kickoffs. That is all.

MISCELLANEOUS

The ministry of silly runs. Chris Evans had occasion to do this in a football game:

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[Upchurch]

Football is weird.

HERE

Best And Worst:

But this game felt like 2001, or 1990, or even 2015, games where Michigan State was more lucky than good. That doesn't mean MSU didn't play well enough to win, only that these weren't dominant wins by superior teams like (sadly) they were against Hoke's and RR's teams. MSU needed 5 turnovers (and none of their own), a backup QB, a torrential downpour, and a QB being stopped short after a fumbled snap yet sliding on his falling center's leg to barely hold on against Michigan, and while that's usually how underdogs win games, it doesn't point toward sustained dominance in this series by the Spartans.

Bill Connelly pointed this out in his Five Factors post this weekend: MSU had a turnover margin of +4.8 above their national average, which works out to about 24 points of "bad luck" by Michigan. Michigan lost such a game by 4 points, and had a chance on the last play to still pull it out. It always sucks to be the team that has the luck go against it, but this loss still feels different. MSU tried to give this game away, and they nearly did with poor clock management and even poorer self control. This loss, as bad as it is in the moment, feels like 2015, a stumble but not a fall. I don't put too much stock into tides or narratives, but this rivalry is starting to feel like it did during most of my youth, where MSU wins were notable because of their weirdness and not their dominance. And I think the other half of that equation, the scarcity of Spartan victories, will follow soon as well.

You can also keep up with Michigan alums playing in Japan:

Devin Gardner led the Nojima Rise to another high scoring victory, this time besting the Lixil Deers 38-35 at Amino Vital Field.

Mario Ojemudia recorded a sack on the opening series of the game for Nojuma. Starting from their own 42 after the subsequent punt, Gardner drove the Rise down to the Deer 11 yard line, and a field goal made it 3-0.

ELSEWHERE

Nope!

Comments

Rufus X

October 9th, 2017 at 1:23 PM ^

Curious to see it. His biggest problem, IMO, was not standing in too long but the opposite. The OL was not good, but even so t seemed to me that way more than half of his scrambles were unnecessary. Not a clean pocket by any means, but he could have stood in there longer.  The holding on the long pass play was because he bailed early on the pocket  He scrambled outside and the RB had to reach outside his frame to hold the block.

And the times he did get sacked it was because either coverage was really good or our receivers just aren't getting open.  I think one of our biggest issues thus far has been lack of crisp route-running on the perimeter byt he young WRs. DPJ just rounds his routes off terribly and when he is open it is because he is so much more athletically talented than the guy covering him.  

Amaznbluedoc

October 9th, 2017 at 1:25 PM ^

When the blockers are being pushed back in your face, you can't see anything, your receivers aren't getting separation, and defensive linemen, backers, and safeties are grabbing at your shirt, it's time to move.  

SAM love SWORD

October 9th, 2017 at 1:18 PM ^

"Whatever Harbaugh MUST do he's probably already doing. He has a track record, and he'll either follow that up with more of the same or not...But I mean, go ahead and yell about how unacceptable everything is, I guess. We are dying to hear about your feelings."

 

Thanks for articulating what I wanted to scream at my screen everytime Baumgardner came up this weekend. Dude drove me nuts. Period.

mgobaran

October 9th, 2017 at 1:26 PM ^

Another year, another loss to the Spartans. Shake the hands of the 2-3 MSU fans at the watch party and congratulate them on a win they wholeheartedly deserved. Get in your car and go home. Life goes on. 

Season now looks closer to 8-4 instead of 10-2. All of this is better than the alternative. Losing to MSU/OSU and 5 other teams. On top of that 10-2 is still plausible. Penn State aint all that and a bag of chips. Wisconsin is no better at offense than us. And our defense is a step up from them. And that's far away. Even further away is OSU. Who knows what can happen between then and now. We are closer on the schedule to the Florida game than Thanksgiving, and my god look at what has happened since!

 

mgobaran

October 9th, 2017 at 3:16 PM ^

Things change. Players get better or worse or more injured or less injured. Other teams can slump as well, get injuries etc. This whole thing could be turned around by then! Small chance but so are the odds of Oklahoma losing to Iowa State or the equivalent every year!

I think that this loss falls squarely (like 90%+) on this current offensive coaching staff. To think otherwise is kinda excuse making so that you can feel better. Harbaugh did this but unlike his predesessors, he will be the reason we overcome it. Get better from it. Fix it. Whatever. It's possible to criticize someone while still believing in them. 

We might not win a B1G Championship or National Title this year. But even getting the team to look good enough to make that a downer is a win for Harbaugh. This was supposed to be a 9-3 +/- 1 type season and that is what we are getting. For 5 weeks we dreamt of bigger things. And hell, maybe this wakes up the coaching staff. Pep realizes this isn't the NFL, and you can scheme people wide open with simpler misdirection (see Purdue, MSU's 2nd TD, etc.) Harbaugh realizes the RT needs help on every single down and provides it. Shorten the bench. Use only the best players. Force DPJ to be the #1 WR and see how he reacts. 

GoBucks11

October 9th, 2017 at 1:26 PM ^

Those are Harbaugh's guys. The moment he signed that contract, he chose them and they became his. Stop pulling this bullshit that they belong to someone else. They belong to Harbaugh. Take ownership.

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

October 9th, 2017 at 1:26 PM ^

We had this same discussion last year over every loss - the bounces, calls and close plays all seemed to go to the opposition. At least with OSU and FSU the plays were made by NFL quality players. Not this game. MSU has limited talent, a thin roster, youth and far less athleticism. Yet they made just enough plays and the superior UM players couldn't seize the opportunities or impose their will offensively for most of the night. I still believe in Harbaugh and this squad. There are clearly very talented guys and the potential for a top 10 team IF the offense and coaches can find the right combination of plays and execution to score at a mediocre clip. Longer term, the real question is "when" because JH has had multiple recruiting classes (and transfer candidates) to address the OL and QB gaps but no success so far. Next year looks no better at this stage. I hope Brown and the D recruiting can keep enough juice in the tank for 2019 because it likely will take that long or longer.

markusr2007

October 9th, 2017 at 1:27 PM ^

When it comes to shitty offensive lines with no depth and poor, inexperienced and or untalented QB, In the BIG10 Michigan finds itself not alone and in very good company

So... BIG10!!

shackney

October 9th, 2017 at 1:27 PM ^

Great post by Brian.  Having a few days to process it is helpful and it's fair to opine that this loss, while incredibly disappointing, came with more than a few pieces of extremely bad luck, the timing of the weather (and the turnovers) being two of them.  It's also correct that we don't quite have the Hoke debacle out of our system, as the recruiting proof shows.

That said, fans are within their rights to question the coaches here.  The players are hard working and talented, even if young.  On the other side of the ball, you had a young quarterback with far fewer starts who managed the game well.  It's a fair critique to say that Dantonio matched his game plan to his personnel better than Harbaugh did -- with I guess the caveat that the turnovers were pretty much dispositive and make it hard to evaluate the alternative universe where one or two of them don't happen.

I am most interested to hear that Brian is interested in testing out Peters.  While I see the logic of trying to get him reps in anticipation of better years in the future with more talented, experienced teams, I'm also leery of it and agreed with some of the posts I saw this weekend that worried that playing behind this line may Devin Gardner him.  Definitely going to be interested to hear more about Brian's thinking on this going forward, because it may be one of the most important parts of the equation when you look at this year and the next that are upcoming.

vablue

October 9th, 2017 at 1:30 PM ^

Brian, as always you bring some common sense to the board in this post and with the pod cast. But I do think for games you attend in person you need to go back and watch the tape before posting. Watson didn't get a hand on that deep ball, it was just a good play by the WR. Nor did Michigan get a hand on any punts. There were a couple other instances where a rewatch would have helped. Though I doubt it changes anything in your overall take, it makes for a more accurate podcast and game blog post.

WNY in Savannah

October 9th, 2017 at 1:31 PM ^

While we're on the topic of what we do and do not want to hear...

We spent the last nine months or more making fun of how awful MIchigan State is.  We made fun of their 3 and 9 record. Then we made fun of them for losing out on 2 star recruits to the Sun Belt and Northwestern's walk on program. Then we made fun of them for guys quitting the team and transferring. Then we made fun of them for kicking a bunch of guys off the team. Then when one of us predecited five wins for them in the season preview podcast, we made fun of that guy, because there's no way they're going to even win three again.  I mean, they've got a walk on playing defensive end! Then we made fun of how Dantonio will retire when they go 2 and 10 this year.

Maybe we shouldn't do that anymore.

"But Michigan State is trash. They didn't win because they were good." No. They won because Michigan was worse. Let that sink in a minute.  So, I, for one, would like to see this blog spend a lot less time trying to make fun of MSU.  It's not necessary when Michigan is beating them and it's downright pathological when Michigan is losing to them.

RemembertheGatorBowl

October 9th, 2017 at 4:05 PM ^

Honestly that was the worst part of the loss to me. More than the at home, on national tv, off a by week(!). It was that we (fans and media) skewered them so thoroughly in the off-season literally showing no respekt and then lost. The section in HTTV wasn’t even about football it was just how miserable State’s program was.

markusr2007

October 9th, 2017 at 5:03 PM ^

Dantonio is good at taking a bunch of 3rd and 4th string players and walk ons and filling them full of anger and rage that they play out of their element good ("STFU Donny!"). 

He fills his players with emotion and then gets them to channel enough of it into good play.  Yes, there's also 11 penalties for 90 yards, but the players believe throughout that they will be the victors.

Sometimes I think that such a jaded, shoulder-chipped Dantonio probably would have taken Rodriguez's 2008 Michigan band of complacent, fat, ingrate players and marched them into the goddamned Rose Bowl fueled by hatred and resentment alone.

 

 

Bertello NC

October 9th, 2017 at 6:38 PM ^

Couldn’t agree more. And why even give them the time of day. Let’s focus on us. Yes Dantonio is a good coach. He is an even better psychological motivator. You can see it in his eyes that he just hates the world and anyone who is not for msu. Our struggles are not all about those things but at the same time I would really like to see JH have a little more edge to himself. This year his body language has just seemed very.. meh, just another game on the schedule that we’ve game planned for. Now we don’t know what goes on in the locker room or in practice but in game that is what eeks out imo. Almost like too much NFL mentality going on. This is college football. A game full of emotion, pageantry, passion, and intensity. I don’t see that this year. We need the JH of Stanford. It’s like he’s went into a shell. And tbh it really spills over into the actual x’s and o’s and game planning. Having some plays and wrinkles drawn up for your rival. To try and one up them. “Pull one over on them” if you will. Each game on the schedule should breed the mentality that we want to cut your head off and shit down your neck and should be even more of that against an in state rival who’s had our number for the last decade. A flea flicker, QB draw, the double fake WR screen and hit the TE up the seam play we ran a couple years ago. For god sakes something to make the defense second guess and change field position and put the offense in a position to score points. All we needed was ONE touchdown. Don’t want to be mr obvious but if there were ever a game where there was a lot left to be desired it was that one. I’m still high on JH and always will be but he may have to make some staff tweaks. Also remember it was year 4 at Stanford when things started rolling. But I want to see a more passionate and creative JH.

RickyPowers

October 10th, 2017 at 12:20 AM ^

This - a thousand times this. Brian and Ace are so smug and snarky about MSU football and basketball in the podcasts, and they always come out looking like idiots. Why even spend so much time making fun of State? They act like how Spartans used to act about the rivalry, and quite frankly it's pathetic and embarrassing as a Michigan alum. Sparty has owned us for a decade, but these two laugh it up about 3-9 and other things (even though we only beat that terrible 3-9 team by single digits). And now the reaction to this loss is (1) lucky win for Sparty, (2) our defense outclassed them (??), (3) it's all Hoke's fault. This lose dog, apologist mentality is the antithesis of Michigan and what it is supposed to stand for.

growler4

October 9th, 2017 at 2:01 PM ^

This is, and has always been, a transition year. While the offense has been frustrating to watch, I think those who have had unrealistic expectations are more frustrated and angry at present.

Fandom is funny. Obviously, the word fan derives from fanatic. Yet, that doesn't mean you need to totally divorce yourself from reality. O'Korn was 2nd string for a reason - unless you think you know more than highly paid and experienced football coaches - and to extrapolate one good 2nd half against Purdue - Purdue, mind you - to a dynamic offense to go along with a tough defense boggles the mind. Totally discount the Indiana game last year?

Anyone who actually watched the first 4 games had to know that we were not the 7th or 8th best team in the country. Yet, we're still 4-1 with the opportunity to have a successful season in a transition year.

Harbaugh on some kind of hot seat? Seriously??

 

BornInAA

October 9th, 2017 at 2:05 PM ^

You have bad OL you use screens and your TEs.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND why a Harbaugh team isn't using the TEs.

The TEs should be helping to block and then releasing for a safety vent quick pass.

Are the TEs as bad as the OL?

GOING EMPTY BACKFIELD or with a small tailback with 4 wide isn't going to work with a bad OL.

gbdub

October 9th, 2017 at 3:16 PM ^

I mean, that works if your TEs are great blockers, and if you're making smart line calls that you just can't physically execute. But our OL's problems are as much mental as anything and the TEs are OK blockers at best. Leaving more in is just more opportunities to whiff a block, more gaps to blitz through. At least a guy downfield demands a defender.

The Man Down T…

October 9th, 2017 at 2:13 PM ^

" Various dirt stupid people are now flogging a "Harbaugh is 1-4 versus rivals" thing as if that encapsulates the whole of his tenure, or even his career. "

 

I take issue with this.  Dirt usually has bacteria which is considered life.  That makes dirt smarter than those people.

M-Dog

October 9th, 2017 at 2:41 PM ^

Michigan's current offensive scheme is a Ferrari ... it's an aweswome, fearful thing of beauty when it's working.

But it's tempermental.  It breaks down a lot, and if it is not precisely tuned it just does not perform.  And it only works with the highest quality parts.

But it's worth it ... if you are at Le Mans and you actually need a Ferarri.

But enter Don Brown.  

He's a game changer.  He's the new Race Marshal.

He just turned Le Mans into a dirt track.

We don't need a Ferrari any more.  It's overkill.  In fact, we are better off without one.  They are too hard to keep running, and we can't seem to consistently find the right parts anyway.

We just need a basic V8 stock car.  We need a pretty good one mind you, but nothing as elaborate as a Ferrari. 

The good news is that they are everywhere.  Youi see them all over the country, from the Atlantic Coast to the Pacific Coast. 

And there are a lot of people available that know how to make them work, and they are not that hard to find good parts for.

It's time to go pick one up.

 

Gipsy_Danger

October 9th, 2017 at 2:50 PM ^

Did I read it correctly, are we collectively blaming Hoke's recruiting partially for this loss now? I haven't heard that excuse in a while. I mean MSU was starting walk on's, but let's make more excuses. It's slightly embarrassing.

When will someone explain why Michigan can't match the intensity of MSU in this game? That's what I want to know. Also, why can't we question Harbaugh's record in rivalry games? 

Bill in Birmingham

October 9th, 2017 at 2:54 PM ^

After the game, I asked myself whether there are any legitimate Power Five quality position groups on the offense. Surprisingly, I came up with two. The tight end and fullback groups are solid. But when your only competent offensive play comes from your fullbacks and your tight ends, you most likely have a problem.

CompleteLunacy

October 9th, 2017 at 2:57 PM ^

Brian didn't come out directly and say this, but the game felt like a coaching failure (offensively, I mean....oh God is Don Brown staring at me?! Sorry, sir. I mean, dude.). Yes, obviously the players made mistakes and the turnovers were costly...but at key moments in the game the playcalling and strategy was mystifying. I didn't even think about the lack of designed QB runs until Brian pointed it out...now I'm completely flabbergasted they didn't have it in the playbook at all. The interceptions were mistakes waiting to happen due to the monsoon, and it's especially galling given that the run game was actually having some success in the 2nd half! And the McDoom fade call is indefensible.

I get that the offense has its personnel problems, but the coaches are compounding them by not putting the players in positions to succeed. That's positively Hokian, and not something I'd expect to see out of a Harbaugh-coached team. I'm sure it will get fixed...but when? After the season, when the staff is shuffled around? Here's to hoping Harbaugh does something to address it right now, because it's pretty alarming. 

Coach Nero

October 9th, 2017 at 3:58 PM ^

I thought QB runs or roll outs would be part of the game plan.  Why keep a mobile QB in a pocklet that collapses so fats.  Get him out and able to do some of things he does best.  I was yearning for a returnto the 1997-98 Waggle play.  Especialy the deep balls Griese threw in the Rose Bowl.

jsquigg

October 9th, 2017 at 3:09 PM ^

I get people saying they want to go spread or questioning why they didn't test the safeties, but the best offense was in I tight running the ball.  Even in the gun the one successful play was the PA and hitting Perry between the safeties which makes it infuriating that they can't establish something and then build off of it.  Why does the offense have to be so disjointed?  I have a feeling combining Drevno and Hamilton is not great for developing young players.

Yessir

October 9th, 2017 at 3:13 PM ^

Seemed like Sparty knew exactly who Bush was going to key on and sent that player wide or outside taking Bush with him. Took our best tackler out of the run plays up the middle.   

Agree we should've went long, down the middle.  LBers were tight to the line, helping on the run. Safeties moved up covering crossing TE routes.  Stop with the sideling overthrows and go down the middle and let our WRs adjust to the ball.  The sideline passes are tough cuz sideline is extra defender. 

Defense plays loose and pretty damn good.  Offense plays tight and it looks like it.  

I want to watch again, but it seems that Gary rushes passer and is fast and get around blocker, but his lane is left open and seems its often used as an escape route for opposing QB.  Not sure if thats correct, just seems that way to me. 

Overall the game sucked, but I wait all damn year for Michigan Football and I'm not going to let that loss ruin my fall watching Michigan Football. Lots of season left. OTOH, I don't live in Michigan so I don't have to listen to Sparty though either. 

Go Blue!

 

 

Jonesy

October 9th, 2017 at 3:32 PM ^

Playcalling isn't the problem. Everyone bases the quality of the playcall on the success of the play. Guess what, when the QB is bad and the OL is bad no play will succeed and every playcall will seem bad. We can't block, we can't pass, we can't run routes well, we don't have saquon barkley to magically create yards, nothing we can do but fire Drevno and recruit more/better OL and QBs and wait for our entire WR corps to be not freshmen.

Mgoczar

October 9th, 2017 at 3:33 PM ^

But an interesting image in my mind is Florida game - Speight throws the TD bomb to Tarik black and camera spans to the two OCs have an animated "Talk" in Drevno and Pep. Talking or arguing? Two OC thing may be causing all of this...