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THIS IS NOT MICHIGAN
9/27/2014 – Michigan 14, Minnesota 30 – 2-3, 0-1 Big Ten
Look at this photo and tell me he is not concussed, TELL ME. (Photo Credit: Leon Halip, USA TODAY) pic.twitter.com/FNR75YG2Sv
— Joshua Henschke (@JoshuaHenschke) September 28, 2014
Brady Hoke is too incompetent to be Michigan's coach. He's too incompetent to be responsible for 85 kids who might get badly hurt at any moment. Hell, he's too incompetent to run a Hooters. Do not eat the chicken at Brady Hoke Hooters. That's not chicken.
And that's the nice way to interpret the information presented to us. It's one thing when Michigan is sending out ten guys in their dinosaur punt formation, one thing when they have the country's worst offense relative to available hyped recruits two years running. It's one thing when Michigan is pretending to try by getting Devin Funchess's ankle mangled in the waning moments of a 31-0 game. These are all fireable offenses, but year-end fireable offenses.
It's another thing when the Yakety Sax chaos that has come to symbolize the Hoke regime puts one of Hoke's "115 sons" in danger, as it did Saturday.
Shane Morris had just taken a headshot from a defensive end. He momentarily lost the ability to use his limbs. There was no real reason for him to be in the game anyway, what with his 49 passing yards and air of being totally overwhelmed. And Hoke threw him out there, because he "didn't see" his quarterback stagger onto one of his offensive linemen.
Even if that implausible excuse is true, somebody did. The announcers did. Doug Nussmeier—who was desperately trying to get his quarterback to fall on the ground—did. There were 80,000 people still in the stadium looking at the quarterback, and
knew Shane Morris had just had a very bad thing happen to his brain. When he was left in, they booed vociferously. This is where we're at: the guys booing in the stands are doing so because they fear for the players' health.
This is a long, long way from the "they ain't got no heart" guys from the Rodriguez era. Booing is now the only agency you have when something reprehensible is going on in front of your face. It's gone from childish to necessary.
Brady Hoke had no idea, and even more damningly nobody on his sideline had the sense to overrule the guy who purports to be the head coach. Some guys started yelling at Russell Bellomy to get his helmet on when Gardner lost his a couple plays after entering; Bellomy tried about 50 because he never dreamed he'd go in a game again. Morris re-entered the game. Did he have a concussion?
"Shane's a pretty competitive, tough kid. Shane wanted to be the quarterback. Believe me, if he didn't want to be, he would've come to the sideline, or stayed down."
That is unacceptable. Brady Hoke should have been fired walking off the field.
Dave Brandon is too stupid to be Michigan's athletic director. After a day-long lambasting culminating in ABC's World News Tonight slamming the program, they released a breathtakingly tone-deaf statement that is a flat-out lie.
We generally never discuss the specifics of a student-athlete's medical care, but Shane Morris was removed from yesterday's game against Minnesota after further aggravating an injury to his leg that he sustained earlier in the contest
This is how Shane Morris aggravated his leg injury.
Who are you going to believe, Dave Brandon and his lawyers or your lying eyes?
It does not matter whether Morris was concussed or not. What matters is that Shane Morris showed obvious signs of a concussion immediately after taking a wicked head shot and was permitted to stay in the game, then re-entered some 90 seconds after departing, well before any serious concussion check could be completed. The NFL's process takes 8-12 minutes. The NHL requires players suspected to have sustained a concussion to be removed from the ice and taken to a quiet place for evaluation.
Michigan was flagrantly negligent about Shane Morris's safety. Period.
And then they lied about it. To your face. Because they think you're too fucking dumb to do anything about it.
Michigan's athletic department has been insulting the intelligence of their fans for years with offended statements about how they weren't really going to do the thing they said they were going to do and the thing you're mad about definitely is your fault, not theirs. That was bad enough for petty things like noodles; this is the athletic department lying to the nation about a matter of real import.
Brady Hoke is either a liar or an idiot, and my guess is both.
— SI_DougFarrar (@SI_DougFarrar) September 29, 2014
This opinion is universal outside a small corps of true believers who have inexplicable faith in the people who are just in charge of the Michigan athletic department. Hoke has been condemned by the ESPN announcers, Deadspin, Business Insider, Yahoo, Andy Staples, Nick Baumgardner, Wojo, Bruce Feldman and Stewart Mandel, USA Today's Nicole Auerbach, CBS, CBS again, USA Today's George Schroeder and virtually every other person to offer an opinion about college football this year. Hell, a news program aimed at olds did a segment on it, just after they talked about ISIS.
The die has been cast. Until Brady Hoke and Dave Brandon are removed from this program, This Is Michigan: incompetent liars.
I can't stand by and watch this anymore.
This program is broken. The coach is too dumb to be in charge of other people. The athletic director is so loathed that when the remainder of the student section started to chant something after the concussion fiasco, they went with "FIRE BRANDON." Tickets go for two cokes, and that's too expensive.
Stephen Ross is defending Brandon, and I feel helpless. The thing I love most in the world has been held hostage by unacceptable people. So I'm going to do two things.
I'M NOT GOING TO THE MARYLAND GAME. (Unless Hoke and Brandon are gone.) This is going to break a home attendance streak dating back to the 1997 opener, when I was a freshman, but it's the only thing I can do to show my disgust at the state of the program. I'm not selling my ticket—not that I could sell it for anything. I am eating it. I urge you to do the same. Yeah, it sucks for the players. I am more concerned about sending a message about the program as a whole than making anyone feel bad.
Do it for all of us. I hate it with the fury of a thousand suns, but this is the only thing we have left.
I'M RUNNING FOR REGENT IN 2016. I don't know how or with who yet, but the board of regents is a broken institution that privately conspires to vote unanimously in favor of everything, in violation of the law. They accepted the presence of Dave Brandon; they run the worst FOIA office in the country; they are supposed to be the check on an increasingly overpaid and unaccountable administrative class at Michigan. They are failures.
Leaders and best. I still believe that. Goddammit, I do. I started the Every Three Weekly with Amol Parulekar and Mike Chu and Paul Malewitz and Michigan allowed that to happen despite it being an obviously not-great idea for them. I learned how to code; I didn't go to my discrete math class for the entire semester and that was cool; I got my brain rearranged by Stephen Kaplan in an immensely productive way. Michigan is awesome. It is awesome in spite of the people in charge of the university's front door.
I love this place, which gave me my education, livelihood, and wife. I am going to do the thing I can to try to help it.
Because this is not Michigan.
[After THE JUMP: more reasons to fire Brady Hoke.]
There's not much point to going over what happened in the usual way Michigan sucks so hard that it doesn't matter anymore. Michigan was comprehensively outgained and blown out by a team that lost 30-7 to TCU. A bowl game is unlikely, to say the least.
But here's some more stuff about why Hoke should be fired.
Giving your players the best chance to win: fail. When Sam Webb said he thought Morris would start during our Thursday roundtable on WTKA, Craig, Ed, and I all involuntarily groaned at the same time. Morris had given no indication he was anywhere near ready, and that played out as Michigan's starting quarterback managed 49 yards passing while being just as turnover-prone as Devin Gardner.
By halftime Michigan had just over 100 yards of offense and it was obvious Gardner should be re-inserted; Hoke refused. Morris started hobbling around on one leg; Hoke refused to take him out even then. Morris fumbled without being touched by an opponent; Hoke still did not take him out. Without the Morris injury, Gardner would not have shown up at all.
That is a slap in the face to a guy who was a warrior last year in the face of horrendous pass protection. Michigan was prepared to lose this game to teach Devin Gardner a lesson, because "uh, Shane Morris was our quarterback." Brady Hoke was willing to throw the entire team under the bus to make a point.
Clueless tempo item of the week. Near the end of the first half, Michigan called timeout just before Minnesota spiked the ball. This was because they were trying to substitute while the opponent was in an extreme two-minute mode and got stuck with twelve guys on the field.
The reason they called timeout doesn't really matter; the mere fact that Michigan had no ability to project what would happen after a Gopher first down in that situation is yet more gross incompetence. It feels like nobody on this staff has ever watched the end of a half of football, weekly.
"I quit" of the week. Hoke once again quit when victory was still distantly possible. After Gardner drove the team to a touchdown, he kicked an extra point instead of going for two to find out whether he was 2.5 or 3 possessions down, then kicked deep. "I quit," he said. Then facing fourth and ten down 16 with 4 minutes left, he punted. "I quit," he said again.
This has been a pattern in every one of Michigan's blowout losses: offenses that huddle and run the clock down to nothing while trailing by multiple scores in the second half, coupled with starters still on the field. Brady Hoke quits when down, but he wants to keep up the appearance of trying. This is why Devin Funchess is going to spend the year nursing an ankle sprain.
I get why he quits—I also want the games to be over as fast as possible. It's still embarrassing to the program.
Shoe-throwin' quote of the week not related to Shane Morris. Oy.
I think field position was a part of the game. We've got to do a better job. A couple of punt returns went for way too much yardage.
You don't say. Michigan was lucky to only be down three points at halftime; their first two punts should have been brought back 20+ yards but for the incompetence of the Gopher returner, who let one of the punts drop and fumbled the other.
On the severity of the Morris incident. This is the only place on the internet other than the Pravda-like Wolverine where you will find people defending Michigan's actions in the aftermath of the helmet-to-helmet hit on Morris, some even going so far as to assert that the problem might have been with his leg even before the athletic department asserted so.
I cannot fathom why a certain subset of posters insists on reminding us that Brady Hoke didn't intentionally put Shane Morris in harm's way, as if that matters. A major argument they bring is that "X isn't stupid/incompetent," which… why would you be certain about that at this point? They seem to want a standard of evidence that is beyond a reasonable doubt and extend the benefit of the doubt to people who have long since lost that privilege. I tell you what, guys: it's just 99 bucks a year for a Rivals subscription.
There is always a faction that wants to downplay everything that people get mad at; the Aggressively Reasonable people spend their entire posting lives clucking at other people that they shouldn't be mad about the thing they're mad about. That combined with a desire to see Brady Hoke as a good guy causes people to say this isn't as big of a deal as everyone here is making it out to be.
Bullshit. The Michigan brand now: send your child to play for a guy who can't tell you've just been hit in the head really hard. Whether it was malice or stunning incompetence doesn't matter: either is grounds for immediate termination.
Toxic. ESPN is clowning Hoke now.
So there's that.
Toxic Part II. I heard only "Fire Brandon" from the students, and multiple reports that have filtered back to me from the student section say that they were all "Fire Brandon" chants, not "Fire Brady," except for scattered dudes who didn't get the idea. Someone even sent me some video:
There's your future season ticket base. Keeping this guy is impossible even if he wasn't running a confederacy of dunces.
WELL TROLLED, SIR. Is Special K joining the resistance? He played "Numb" by Linkin Park before the game, which is way not on message, and then as I'm exiting I hear "this is it, the apocalypse" from that Imagine Dragons song. Either Special K is a clueless dillweed or he's just as pissed as everyone else.
I'm left scratching my head wondering what Brady Hoke was trying to do in this game. In Schembechler's account of his first game against Minnesota, he admits this:
Let me tell you the God's honest truth: Even if we got beat up there in Minnesota, I would still have felt better about taking the squad I took than I would have if we'd won that game with a bunch of guys who hadn't practiced all week, guys who let their teammates down, guys who didn't take my word seriously.
So it's obvious Schembechler had a larger goal in mind; it was a "lose the battle but win the war" mentality. Oh to be a fly on the wall in Schembechler Hall so that I might understand what Brady Hoke was trying to prove with this stunt. He sat a 5th year quarterback with significant playing experience, a player so distinguished, with so much ability, talent, and skills that he was given the honor of wearing the Tom Harmon Legends jersey, for a 2nd year quarterback with one start under his belt in college. I thought maybe, just maybe, Gardner was injured. That's the only way this makes sense to me, if the objective was to win the football game. However, when Russell Bellomy couldn't find his helmet to sub in for a play, the truth was revealed. Gardner was not injured, for if he was, Bellomy would have practiced all week and would have the slightest clue where his helmet was. No, Gardner was sat to teach some sort of lesson.
I know last week I described the death of my optimism about this season, so this might sound a bit hypocritical to then attack others for voicing their own displeasure, but I am profoundly, mind-numbingly tired of people questioning the desire of college players and the people who have dedicated their lives to making them better. Now, I'm not defending the results so far on the scoreboard, nor am I saying that I believe guys like Hoke, Funk, Ferrigno, etc. are the best choices for the jobs the currently inhabit. I still believe that Hoke should be gone, as the number of boneheaded decisions (the punting formation fiasco and the lack of anything resembling tempo or urgency on offense being prime examples) has only increased since he's been at the helm. But I absolutely believe that he cares about Michigan football and is trying his best to make it a winner, just like everyone else involved with the program; to question the effort and desire put forth by the players and coaches is asinine.
…toward the end of the game two things happened on the sidelines near the student section:
- A dramatic increase in police and event staff presence.
- A rope being held along the sideline and end zone, presumably to prevent a field rush (??).
Did either of these things directly impact my, or really any other students’ lives? Not really. Nevertheless, the symbolism remains. One needs look little further than this to get a good grasp on why the students are so upset with the athletic department. Is the department so distrustful of the students that they want to keep them in line by show of force? Are they so delusional to think that the students would rush the field after a loss? After even a win over Minnesota? over Utah? over literally any home game this season? They’ve taken our water bottles so that they can sell water for $5; they’ve prohibited numerous innocuous items from entering the stadium; three separate event staff members tried to tell me I wouldn’t be allowed to bring a cowbell into the stadium; you can’t bring bags; you can’t bring food. And yet after all of this, they expect us to keep paying such exorbitant prices for tickets? To keep showing up? Don’t get me wrong, I love Michigan Football, I love the Michigan Stadium experience; it’s just that, under Dave Brandon I have yet to really experience either at the Big House.
Bombs away in the Michigan blogosphere. MZone:
In Michigan’s 67-65, 3-OT thriller over Illinois in 2010, Rodriguez pulled Robinson after a hard hit during the 3rd quarter. “He was dizzy and had a headache,” explained Rodriguez, extra cautious his star player might have a concussion. The context is even more important. Rodriguez entered that game 5-3 after 3 consecutive losses to #17 Michigan State, #15 Iowa and at Penn State. Under fire by the media before the season and intense scrutiny by Brandon during the season, Rodriguez pulled the most electric player in college football for his safety in a must-win game. He recruited Robinson, developed him, and above all protected him over his job. If only he was a Michigan Man too.
I now call on all Michigan fans to stomach the unthinkable: boycott this obscenity until it collapses in on itself. If you have tickets, don't use them. Don't sell them to someone who will. Don't give them away to someone who will. Do not buy tickets, no matter how cheap they become, or how many Cokes you get with them. If someone offers you tickets for free, politely decline. I understand how reprehensible that will sound to some. Many will say that it is still a fan's obligation to support these players. I implore you to reconsider. I beg of you to support these players by putting pressure on those who are destroying them. These players are having their careers derailed by people who are in painfully over their heads, and one of them was put at grave physical risk by the man he trusted with his future today. Shane Morris didn't even walk off the field after the game today; he had to be carted off because he couldn't put weight on his ankle; that's not even considering the concussion he took and then continued to play with.
For starters, Morris never should have been in this huddle. But look at the play clock in the graphic above. THERE ARE A FULL 25 SECONDS ON THE PLAY CLOCK. That is plenty of time for Hoke to either: (1) call Morris back to the sideline and sub in Bellomy, who now has a helmet; (2) call a timeout, which still remains an option every second until the ball is snapped; or (3) PUT IN ANY PLAYER -- WILTON SPEIGHT, BRIAN CLEARY, ALEX SWIECA, LINEBACKER JAKE RYAN, DEFENSIVE TACKLE WILLIE HENRY, ETC. -- THAT IS NOT CONCUSSED.
Even the umpire looks over to Michigan's sideline and asks Hoke if he wants to take a timeout, to which Hoke declines, before starting the play clock.
Then Michigan's coaches failed Shane Morris. It's the coach's job to know whats going on at all times with the players on the field. Hoke admitted to not seeing Shane Morris visibly wobbling back to the huddle after that hit. How you miss that it beyond me. He could barely stand up. How could Doug Nussmeier, the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach not pull his guy immediately after seeing that. Shane probably shouldn't have been in the game at that point anyway. He was limping very badly.
I don't even know what to say abut this series of events other than its easily the most concerning thing that happened on a day when there was a lot to be concerned about. But this goes beyond football and x's and o's. This is a blatant disregard for player safety, plain and simple.
Aw man play 60 kid this is a major burn
Because you watched Michigan Football.. | pic.twitter.com/cnFEXlYvOm
— Play 60 Kid (@NatePlay60) September 27, 2014
but you're just the major burn of all major burns so ok.
And this was just a random post on the Scout message board from A1Portable but it's too good to let die with two responses:
We Are Michigan! ...
... and Brady Hoke is a MICHIGAN MAN!
That is all you need to know ... except perhaps ...
... that Michigan's Athletic Director is a former CEO of a big company that sells pizzas. Yes, that's right, Michigan's Athletic Director is a former CEO of a big company that sells pizzas!
So naturally, he is qualified to be Michigan's Athletic Director. In fact, he is more qualified than any other kind of athletic director, especially the kind who have experience running college athletic departments and hiring coaches. That is not the kind of experience that prepares a man to be a master of public relations flim-flam, which is what a Michigan Athletic Director must be a master at!
Do you know how hard it is to persuade 100,000 folks to spend more than $1,000 to buy season tickets to college football games when they could have picked up some tickets at 7-11 just by buying a couple liters of Coca-Cola? I'm telling you, that is not easy, nosiree! Don't think that any old ordinary athletic director is capable of doing stuff like that. No, it takes an athletic director who is a genuine former CEO of a big company that sells pizzas to pull off something like that. Do not try that at home!
What's that? You don't understand? That is because you are just ignorant peons who are incapable of understanding the depths of the twisted genius of the Michigan Athletic Director.
Do not question the Michigan Athletic Director! To question the Michigan Athletic Director is to admit, ipso facto, that you are not qualified, or worthy, to question the Michigan Athletic Director! You know enough about the Michigan Athletic Director not to question the Michigan Athletic Director, but you question the Michigan Athletic Director. Therefore, you do not know enough about the Michigan Athletic Director not to question the Michigan Athletic Director.
If you are an ignorant peon and continue to question the Michigan Athletic Director, you will be ignored, and then a way will be found for the experience of going to a football game to become so unpleasant that you will "voluntarily" give up your season tickets, which you could have gotten at 7-11 for buying a couple liters of Coca-Cola.
... and one more thing, WE ARE MICHIGAN! Seriously, we are.
The Penn State game is going to be epic.
The Maryland game is November 22nd (almost two months away) and there are two other home games before then. Am I missing something here?
penn st is guaranteed to be > 100,000. Then IU game is homecoming. also > 100,000. Maryland is the first realistic game to drop below 100,000.
......if you're trying to prove a point, shouldn't you do it NOW. I live in Jacksonville, FL and I'm flying up for the PSU game in two weeks. After Saturday's fiasco, I have no intention of actually going into the game. My plane ticket is a sunk cost (and I get to visit family) so I'm not going to cancel the trip. I'll be at Conor O'Neill's, I'll be at Fraser's, I'll be tailgating on the golf course......but I'm not going into the stadium.
Each year for a belated Father's Day gift, I arrange for my Dad and me to go to one game together (he lives in CT, I live in GA). This year we picked the PSU game. At this point, flights / hotel / tickets are all paid for so completely sunk cost.
But I'm really considering not going.
Really don't know what the hell happened and how the wheels have come off so fast. Hard to believe that a mere month ago, I was really excited about this season.
I don't think either of those games are guaranteed to be over 100,000 man.
Are you talking what will be announced as attendance or real attendance? If you think IU will be over 100K "for real" you should re-examine.
This is a 2-10 or 3-9 product on the field. It has a chance to go 0-8 in the Big 10. If "everything comes together" this is a 4-8 team. Minnesota was one of the 2 "most winnable" games on the schedule due to their strength being our "strength" (run defense).
The team is quitting on its coach real time. It will be blown to smithereens in East Lansing, it will make Gary Nova look like Brett Favre at Rutgers. IU is going to put up 40+ on this team, do people not remember last year's IU game? That was when the offense kept the defense off the field for 2 whole minutes at a time.
I think the real numbers will be sub 90K for Indiana and sub 80K for Maryland. Maryland will be a joke - thats a cold November day for a team that will be 2-8 or 3-7 entering the game with Hoke dangling around in he wind talking about "we have to work hard for our seniors.... our goals are still ahead of us for 2015". And that he needs to fucking execute.
Guys, if you bought a ticket, you're counted in the attendance. They take the number of tickets sold and add in the people in the press box and the various other people at the stadium. They don't actually count the number of tickets scanned (or if they do, it's not announced publicly).
Agreed, the "gate" doesn't matter for attendance purposes, its all about ticket sales. And I'm guessing most of the tickets for the rest of the season have been sold. Boycotting (or even better walking out en masse shortly after kickoff or during the coin toss) will certainly make it look bad on TV but won't impact the attendance number
Poor execution on my part.
It's OK. We've become pretty accustomed to poor execution lately.
momentum and actually make this a thing?
Yeah, this made me think of The Trip... "Gentlemen to bed! For we leave at 9:30...ish."
Totally on board with boycotts though. Boycott until no longer necessary.
because I was actually planning to bring a few non-Michigan fans (but general sports enthusiasts) to the game to get their first Michigan experience.
Pros: We can get tickets for free
Cons: It might be the worst Michigan home game ever
Better than the Boycott would be for us to stand with our backs to the field to demonstrate our anger with the state of the program and the villian that is Dave Brandon.
The student section walking out en masse as soon as the game starts might get some TV attention...
Save the program, sign this petition to fire Brady Hoke!
This totally destroys Hoke's credibility as it relates to his explanation that he didn't know about the Gibbons incident.
side of the fence that Brandon was controlling that whole bit.
Hindsight being 20/20 we should have fired Hoke for the Gibbons thing and hired Craig Bohl before he had a chance to go to Wyoming.
Can you go to the presser and ask some stuff today too? Like, actual stuff.
What kind of answers do you expect to get? He's not going to be any more fothcoming than he was before and he surely isn't going to throw himself in front of the bus because he 1) wasn't paying attention to what was going on in the game, or 2) blatently disregarded this kids health by keeping him in the game.
Yeah, I guess you're right. Maybe just go to the presser and question his Michigan Manhood.
First question needs to be "Did Shane Morris suffer a concussion on Saturday? Yes or no." There is pretty much no answer that they can give that mitigates the impact of that. If yes - why on earth didn't you find out during the game, and how do you justify keeping your job after playing a concussed player? If no - when was this determined? Clearly not during the game, and why not? If "I don't talk about injuries" - yikes. Might as well just admit that he's concussed.
NO, NO, NO, that is so not the first question, the answer is not relevant.
With Morris being wobbly, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that he might be concussed and to pull him from the game? If you didn't see it, who is responsible for getting you this information?
Coach, you've been giving the same answers, to the same questions, about the same problems for over a year now. Why should anyone expect things to change this time?
I used to come here to read about football.
Now you just use it for your podium.
Please, let me know when you are interested in writing about the football game. Your "game stuff" section said : Shane morris shouldn't have been the starter.
This place used to be better than that.
So yes, #boycottMaryland, and show the team that it really is all about you, and not them
Then go to a new blog. This is at heart a blog, you know for opinions, not an non-partisan newspaper
talk more about that amazing game. I'd like to relive it as much as possible.
Did the game give us anything else to talk about?
yes. How was Minnesota able to drive the length of the field for a score before the half? Why did Leidner look so accurate, when he wasn't even expected to play? Lots of football stuff to talk about.
But instead, I will get to read about how every little thing Brady Hoke does is wrong and he deserves to be fired for it, and the reality is: if Michigan were 5-0 right now no one would care.
So yes, it is frustrating me, and even when I try to put my personal feelings aside, I can't trudge far enough through the filth and character assassination attempts enough to find what I am looking for.
How was Minnesota able to drive the length of the field for a score before the half? Why did Leidner look so accurate, when he wasn't even expected to play?
Analysis: WE FUCKING SUCK!
I am aware. I watch the games too. It is easy to look at our team and say "we suck." It takes someone who spends a lot more time on football to say "we suck because: player X and player Y need to do this, and instead they are doing this."
There's this thing called UFR. It's done every week. Whether Brian will do one this week, who knows, but this Monday column has always been more of a feelingsy column with a few initial impressions thrown in, and not the technical breakdown you're obnoxiously demanding.
I know what the UFR is. And Monday is always a feelingsy column, and I'm fine with that. This piece did nothing but rip on Brady Hoke and Dave Brandon -- regardless of my feelings for the two of them (which are totally opposite), and regardless of my personal ties, I just was looking forward to seeing some stuff about the game, rather than the same shit I can find on all news outlets.
Brian has already made it clear he is not a fan of Brady Hoke, I am fine with that. But you can always find negativities if you look, and it is going to be quite a dissappointment if they
1)Keep Hoke on until the end of the year
2)All I get to read about each week is why he should be fired.
I'm not trying to defend Hoke. I've got my reasons for supporting him, and they are deep enough that they probably wont ever change. In that, there's definitely a little bit of butt-hurt for me, and maybe it's got me on edge, but come on.
after he blatantly put a 19 year old kid at a long term health risk, then it is now obvious to all of us that you are a fucking moron. Fuck off, what if it was your son Hoke left in there?
to hand off the ball? I'd be fine with that especially since my son is totally made up anyway (and apparantly good at football)
Look, I think most of us respect you and your son's choice to play for Michigan (I assume). That's awesome. And Michigan is an awesome school where he'll get one hell of an education. But this about more than a coach or an AD or one (or 100+) players on this team.
But you have decades of support for the University and the AD represented here on this blog, people that gave 4+ years to the school and thousands of dollars to see the thing that they love prosper. And when it is clear to everyone that not only is it not prospering, it is failing at fundamental things like protecting sons of parents like yourself, things need to change. If you don't read the blog for editorials like this, that's okay. There's tons of real football content throughout the week. But things like these need to be discussed in every media outlet and at ever water cooler possible for change to happen.
I'm sorry change will intimately affect you and your family (I assume). And I'm sorry that there are some here that are inconsiderate or unkind or worse in response to your comments (which are appreciated, I might add). But this is greater than one year's team. I respect your opinion but Hoke has lost all credibility - maybe he's a good man and would never knowingly endanger a kid, but it happened on his watch and for that he needs to go.
heh , the hypotheticals came out of context. I don't consider my opinion to be more valuable than anyone else's, in fact I would say it is definitively less valuable. and I agree that brady probably has to go. for better or worse though, and regardless of whether I'm being completely asinine or incredibly reasonable: I did not enjoy the front page write up and it is not the first time I've felt the writing is condescending recently. just, unjust, however you want to look at it, that is my opinion
This masked man?
If he's not in the game, there is a 0.0 percent chance he gets further injured.
A handoff gives the QB relatively low odds of getting hit, sure.
But what about if there's a fumble? What if Shane dives on the ball and a Minnesota player does at the same time, causing another head on collision? What if a DE had stuffed the play so quickly that he actually hit Morris as he was handing the ball off? Yes, the odds of that are low...but when a player is injured, especially to the head, you don't take those odds. Ever.
A healthy and alert QB almost certainly gets the handoff without being hit. But, a guy with a possible concussion? You missed the most obvious way he gets hit. What if he goes the wrong way? What if he turns the wrong way, misses the handoff and gets hit? That absolutely could happen to a guy with a concussion.
Didn't even think about that. But yeah, if he turns the wrong way ona handoff, then he likely keeps the ball and tries to run to pick up yardage. And will get hit again.
to recognize a hypothetical situation, and understand how dangerous it is to have kids with obvious concussion symptoms playing, then you're a fucking waste of time and energy.
Because he's questioning what has become the status quo here? I want Hoke fired too (but not before DB), but it is still possible to talk about actual football stuff you know.
Edit: in no way am I defending what happened in this game, ftr.
@IncrediblyBLUE - so many things wrong with this post I don't even know where to start but I'll go with this quote of yours: "But you can always find negativities if you look."
The thing with Hoke is you don't have to look....they jump off the screen for all to see. He has done absolutely NOTHING to prove he is capable of being a HC at this level.
1. Wins trending down every year - we might not win another game this year.
2. Kids not improving in anyway under his leadership and, in fact, most regressing.
3. Recruiting prowess seems to be a mirage; and if not, go back and look at #2 above.
4. Willfully ignorant of player safety - yesterday being the most egregious example but far from the 1st incident
5. He has no idea what modern football looks like and disdain for anyone who tries to teach him about it.
I can go on all day but I won't because you are obviously related to either Hoke or Brandon and therefore will never admit anything negative about them. But do yourself a favor and stop posting, you look like an ignoramus everytime you do.
you're admitting that you have some personal tie Hoke that is the basis of your support, you're saying that you don't and probably never will actually form an independent opinion of him as a coach based on what actually occurs on and off the field as it relates to you know the actual team he is the head coach. No 1, you lose all credibility right there, so expect anyone to take you seriously. No 2, I find it pretty comical that you then bitch about not getting substance about the game on this blog. For what purpose? You don't base your opinion of Hoke on what happens on the field.