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|4 hours 4 min ago||Donnal is not a lost cause||
He has made great strides this year and surprised most everyone, including me. He is now a very average center in the big ten. Yippee.
Morgan is a terrible example, he really benefited from his redshirt year and came on his rs freshman year. Morgan is also a miuch better athlete.
My point is these guys are not elite.
Which round do you think Donnal will go in the NBA draft?
|1 day 43 min ago||Yes I do||
Chatman is out of his league. Doyle is just slow.
Neither can shoot outside. Neither can defend athletic big men. Neither can rebound.
That won't change in the next two years.
|1 day 2 hours ago||Not fair||
We all say how genius Beilein is with judging talent. Ala Stauskas, Hardaway, D Robinson but are we honest with Chatman, Doyle, Walton and even Irvin? Chatman is a huge bust, Doyle is a mid major player and Walton and Irvin may have been rated higg but they D league talent at best.
His ONE good class has 4 NBA players in it and Spike (who is awesome and really missed this year).
I prefer to judge good classes with a little balance of where they end up along with where they start.
|1 day 3 hours ago||c'mon stop||
That sounds like Izzo two years ago. Injuries hurt all teams. Lack of talent is hurting this team
|1 day 3 hours ago||fair enough Burke should have been listed too||
But does not change the premise. Beilein has one good class. Do you still disagree?
|1 day 3 hours ago||You do understand the difference between "class" and "player"||
He got D. Morris a really good recruit, he got Hardaway (who was a 3, but blossomed) and yes he got Burke ( because OSU had Craft). Those were good "recruits". It is more advantageous to get "great" classes.
Burke and Morris were bottom top 100 recruits. Obviously they were better than their rank. But good look making a living there.
|1 day 3 hours ago||That was one recruiting class and Hardaway||
He hit it out of the park in 2012 with recruiting. Once every ten years will not get it done.
|1 day 3 hours ago||Well said||
Hard to argue with anything you said. Warde has a good track record of coaches, I believe. Lets go 2 for our last 2 on big time coaches at M. (Harbaugh and?) It just might be a few years.
|1 day 3 hours ago||The 10 year ban being over saved the program.||
Other than the 2012 class which class would you say was outstanding?
|1 day 4 hours ago||Not yet.||
One more year and he is. MSU has top class next year so winning against them will be tough, Walton and Irivn are solid, but they are not making a leap next year. Xavier looks like real deal but all the size next year is long term project. Next year is repeat of this year with more PG depth. Tourney is possibility next year but 10 seed likely.
Yes Donnal really improved, but he would not play on MSU's team very much. T
We have no physical presence down low who can rebound and block (against solid teams). We have nobody who can consistently break down his man off the dribble. We are very easy to guard. D. Robinson is awesome, but he needs a penetrator or low post threat to help him.
Our on the ball defense is brutal and there is no shot blocker to clean up.
Beilein is a great xo coach. Really smart guy. He has been unlucky with recruits. Jaylen Brown, Tyus Battle, etc... but is it time to aske have to ask if the 2012 class an anomaly? I think it was. All the stars aligning
Warde Manual is not going to come in and remove him this year or next. But after next year, all bets are off.
|1 week 3 days ago||Yep you are correct||
Thank you sir. Should have said Omega Mu.
|1 week 3 days ago||What about Lambda Lambda Lambda||
The Tri Lam's rock it pretty hard.
On a side note I did have dinner in LA and Booger was two tables over.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Important game||
I think that tells us how important this game is to Beilein. Needs every road win he can get and puts M in the top echelon. I kept waiting for dakich to come in along Rahkman or Dawkins to relieve Irvin/Robinson ( second half) and neither happened.
I really think a few of Waltons TO were because he was gassed. Normally he dribble drives through. A couple of those passes were pretty uncharacteristic of his game.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Big win||
Curious on the PT. Did Irvin, Robinson or Walton come out in the second half? I don't think they did. I believe that contributed to some of the turnovers. Walton was gassed, you could see when he shot his free throw.
Gutty effort. If/when Levert comes back, it will be a huge lift. Not just having your best player back, but can take pressure off the starters.
I was pretty critical in the off season and as usual. Beilien has proved he is a great coach. Donnal is so solid against teams without a dominant big man. He has made such a difference.
Two handed slam by Robinson was awesome. That kid is good......
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Zingerman's for lunch today||
Rumor has it a few recruits will be there.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Then you are an idiot||
I didn't quit looking Until I had the offer letter in hand in writing.
Also to follow the intern metaphor it would have to be a 4 year internship because that is how long a scholly is at m
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Amen brother||
|2 weeks 3 days ago||What about Nate Johnson||
Didn't he make a verbal commitment, what remedy does M have?
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Then you have been a happy Fan for the past 10 years||
except for stretch gate M has been squeaky clean. Other than 2011, Which was your favorite OSU game?
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Honest question||
Not picking on you, but by the tone of your reply I believe you are disappointed in M at this point.
I am not thrilled with what appears to have happened with Swenson, but I am not that concerend either. I believe the coaches gave him feedback in a reasonable time frame. I don't have any facts, that is just what I am choosing to believe. But either way, I am OK.
For the people that are upset at the appearance of what happened here, what is more important to you? Winning with marginal integrirty, but still top 10% of BCS in terms of intregrity or winning with complete integrity? Because if you go back the last 15 years here are the National Championship teams:
Who out of the last 15 years would you say has completely played by the rules? OK? Maybe, but that would be the only team that probably did not play on the shady side.
Winning and integrity don't have to be mutually exclusive, but I don't see vandy, NU, Stanford or ND in the list above. I know they had good teams and got close, but they didn't win.
I personally believe until we replace the NCAA, Harbaugh has to push the envelope a little bit.
|4 weeks 3 hours ago||good bye Blair||
Lifelong viking fan. Grew up in MI. Long story.
Blair is a freak with length strength, but he has got a mental issue, he missed numerous extra points this year an has been very inconsistent.
They need a new kicker. $2MM+ to cut him, which is a lot for a kicker. They gave him a big contract a few years ago.
Zimmer will give up 57 yard field goals for consistency.New kicker please. Laces is bullshit. He just booted a 47 yarder with the fuckin laces.
On a positive note, this does not even compare with the O'Neill punt. Today I only lobbed the remote ( nothing broke) and I was calmer in just a few minutes.
On the play that shall not be named, I tossed furniture and needed to walk in the park next door for 20 minutes. I don't think any gaffe will ever compare to O'neill.
|5 weeks 3 days ago||yep you nailed it.||
I hope as much as the next guy Donnall keeps it up, but very doubtful.
I personally hope M wins the big ten and go to the NCAA title game, but with our current UNATHLETIC BIG MEN, that looks doubtful.
This game was so encouraging, but I am skeptical. Donnal got a loose ball 5 feet from the basket and instead of powering it up, he dished to a guard to finish????
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Could not have said better myself||
I am still skeptical. My kingdon for an athletic big man who can finish and rebound.
But they played very well.
If Donnal can be half this good, they are in the tourney.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||stop with the astute observations||
THis issue has been beaten to death. There is a significant amount of the fanbase here who go "all touchy feely" about Shane everytime the issue is brought up.
He seems like a great kid and hard worker, but any analysis here by football people screams "MAC level QB"
Pray for your hope and change, the rest of us will deal with reality.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||agree||
This whole argument is somewhat silly since this is not the only factor. If we weighted the major factors for us fans, I am going to go out on a limb and say "winning" would be high on the majority of fan's wish list.
Furthermore if we looked at the correlation between "aggresive recruiting" and winning, it will be probably be fairly high.
In a perfect world, everything would be black and white with M and recruiting, but it is not a perfect world.
I wonder how many people who are truly upset about Harbaugh potentially ignoring commits once better pickins show up really don't care if M ever beats OSU or MSU, or continues to win once a decade of the OSU?
I am not advocating SEC style recruitin, but M has to push the envelope. Obviously we never want to get near the Ed Martin days, but if Harbaugh is cutting off communications with some commits I think that is fine.
Also, for some of the lower rated guys, I find it hard to believe they did not get a benefit of being a M commit? Don't you think more D1 coaches started to look at their film once they found out Harbaugh was after them?
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Amen brother||
I love documentaries but you have really look at them with a critical eye.
i just picked up Niall Ferguson's "civilization, The West and the Rest".
I understand where he comes from so I am going into it with my eyes open. ( I actually love Ferguson's POV, but know many will not)
|6 weeks 5 days ago||MGO Bender, xcellent points||
Sorry to be redundant, but..
The Beckam example is perfect. Everybody cares until a superstar does it or it hurts their team. He should be done for the year and some next year if they really want to discourage this behavior.
The Economics of youth football, hockey and baseball (live in the suburbs and see how much money dads spend on pitching/hitting/fielding lessons) have more to do with participation issues. You have equipment for at least 30 kids, fields, liability, etc. Football is expensive.
|6 weeks 6 days ago||fair enough||
My point is he does not handle stress well. This is a proven fact. he has had the big ten to himself since he got here. Now he has lost at home to MSU, M is on the rise with Harbaugh and the fans in OSU expect perfection.
I tend to be pretty conservative in my enthusiasm, so I recognize we have a big hill to climb, but if he loses to MSU next year in EL and Harbaugh pulls an upset, he is gonna get heat from stupid OSU fans.
You know Harbaugh is hyperfocused on beating OSU and he usually accomplishes what he wants.
|6 weeks 6 days ago||In Harbaugh we trust||
This coupled with a few more recruiting wins and maybe Urbs develops another "illness"?
He has got to be feeling a little stressed out!!
|7 weeks 4 days ago||Guys we will know soon enough||
Lets table this discussion until Beilein goes through Purdue and MSU. Our lack of defense and rebounding will most likely be glaringly obviousy. However, maybe we can have an insane shooting night and compete.
My guess it will feel like OSU/MSU football for the past few years when our DL was overmatched and we got mauled.
Lets see how strong the hopium is after Sparty dances around the floor for the next two years.
Beilein is an average recruiter when you look at his body of work at M.
IMO he has had 2 elite recruits where he won the battle:
D . Morris, McGary
He has had 4 gems who he discovered and after they committed to M they became "hot" recruits:
Stauskas, Burke( this is tough because he was a really good recruit, but he wanted to go to OSU but they had Craft), Robinson and Hardaway.