It's about Bufkin time. [Marc-Grégor Campredon]

Nine Tickets to Team 107 Comment Count

Seth May 10th, 2022 at 9:04 AM

Folks who cover the USMNT drop lists like this projecting the 23 guys who end up on the next World Cup team. Brian appropriated it, dropped it for a few years, and then I stole it from him, and now with the transfer deadline past and a pretty decent idea of who's returning, let's use it to set the hoops pecking order for 2022-'23. Why nine? Five starters, four rotation players. Depth chart by class lives here.

Regarding NBA decisions: We still expect Houstan to be back, despite his recent invite to the combine, for Diabate to enter the draft, and no more transfers.

DEPARTURES IN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE

imageSG Eli Brooks (Out of Eligibility). Steadying backcourt presence, excellent off-ball defender, a bit too small and slow to be a great on-ball one. Extra coach on the court. Team's best shooter, captain, organizer, and most consistent player. Once wore a plague mask.

imagePG DeVante' Jones (Pro Decision, 1 year remaining). Titch more effective than even Mike Smith the year prior, especially late in the season. Personally led the tournament-sealing victory over Ohio State. 31/17 assist rate/TO rate in Big Ten play. Defense improved from not great to pretty good. Decent but set shooter, effective floater. Head injury limited his participation in the playoffs to 12 minutes in the first weekend and a less-than-himself game in the Sweet 16. Looks like he's 40.

imagePF/C Moussa Diabate (NBA Draft, 3 years remaining). Elite NBA length and athleticism/defensive potential as a 1-5 switchable big, shot-blocker. Surprisingly advanced offensive game as a 4 or 5. Not an outside shooter at this stage of his career, could develop into one down the road. Questionable hands. Trying out for NBA after a true freshman year and expected to leave if any team will commit to drafting him, which one will. On tiny chance he returns, could develop into a lottery pick. Had 3 years of eligibility remaining.

imagePG Frankie Collins (Transfer to Arizona State, 3 years remaining). Controversial transfer when he was expected to be the PG of the future after a year backing up Jones. Last year emerged late as an excellent/athletic defender able to shut down NBA guards in isolation. God-awful shooter from anywhere, excellent set-up man, able to get to the basket and finish. Left with 3 years of eligibility.

imagePF Brandon Johns (Grad Transfer to VCU, 1 year remaining). Reasonably athletic big with a good shot and a danger on the offensive boards who never developed confidence. Good stretch as a starting four in the 2021 playoffs when Isaiah Livers was hurt was his only—started at PF to begin 2021-'22 but was quickly passed by Diabate. Solid defense couldn't erase set-ruining indecisive offense. Outside chance a fresh start finds the player to go with the NBA-caliber potential.

imageC/PF Jaron Faulds (Out of Eligibility). Walk-on transfer in 2019 after one year at 33% minutes at Columbia. Developed in to a playable big. Held up against Kofi Cockburn for 13 minutes of a night in Illinois when Dickinson was unavailable. Spot minutes against Keegan Murray were also survived.

imageG Zeb Jackson (Transfer to VCU, 3 years remaining). Tall top-100 point guard was a backup on the legendary Montverde team, buried on the bench in 2 years at Michigan. Spotted early season playing time showed scoring ability/shooting, but high TO rate and capable but disinterested defense. Left team in January.

imageSG/W Adrien Nunez (Ended Career, 1 year remaining). Player activist and TikTok star (like for real: 3.4 million followers). Recruited by Beilein as a Just a Shooter. Couldn't actually shoot in limited game opportunities, defensive liability. Did I mention the TikTok? It's an absolute delight!

@adrien_nunez That pass tho @zjackson1 dc: @ayeyoomike__ @lilyachty ♬ original sound - Oneil
[After THE JUMP: The people on the team]

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PACK YOUR BAGS

Returning starters, guys who didn't start last year but are expected to, or additions expected to start immediately.

image1. Center Hunter Dickinson (So/Jr)

Old fashioned post and wrestling heel. Top-Ten college player with NBA aspirations held back from pro career by foot speed limitations. Developed a right-handed shot and a functional big man's three-point set shot to go with super-advanced array of post moves. Excellent passer. Strong defender in the post. Centerpiece of two Sweet 16 offenses. Michigan's best recruiter. Outspoken: providing more leadership on NIL front than his school right now. Probably would have been wasted in the G-League next year if it wasn't for those opportunities.

image2. Wing-Forward Caleb Houstan (So/So)

Five-star, 6'8" not-just-a-shooter who shot 50% in HS was more like a just-a-set-shooter as a freshman. Defense developed over the course of the season, from bad to pretty decent by the end. Athleticism fine for the four, not quite enough for SF. Can put the ball on the floor, can't finish. One-and-done plans set back by all that, could still develop into a star.

image3. Point guard Jaelin Llewwellyn (Sr/5th).

Princeton transfer the coaches call a PG who can combo, not the other way around, but was mostly a combo for Tigers. Defense a question mark (Princeton was Not Good) but decent size for it. Used to playing with a ball-dominant center. Excellent pull-up shooter, crafty and quick in the lane, decent at finishing.

image4. Shooting guard Kobe Bufkin (So/So)

Talented grow-a-guard matched Caris's numbers offensively as a freshman, but is a lot smaller and vastly less of a defensive presence than Levert was at this point. Next stage of development is the team's No. 1 X-factor. Skilled and smooth enough to develop into a lottery pick combo guard, but still has a long way to get there.

IN A BATTLE

With Moussa in the draft the last starting job will go to a wing so they can move Houstan down to a more natural power forward position. The order here is not who's going to go first, but how I think the minutes will work out. Both will play.

image5. Wing Jett Howard (Fr/Fr)

Juwan's younger son, least dramatic high 4-star recruitment in program history. Still a very important one. Tallish SG/SF, pull-up threat, should be an immediate floor spacer and develop over the year into a secondary creator. Good combo of positional size/vision, handle needs some development. Likely to come off the bench at first.

image6. Wing-Forward Terrance Williams II (So/Jr)

Positionless motor/energy guy who couldn't seem to pass Houstan despite outperforming him. Low defensive ceiling=low NBA potential, but team's 2nd best outside shooter, showed potential as a good-at-bad-shots guy late. Dad is Ginuwine's tour manager.

NOT STARTERS BUT CONTRIBUTING

image7. Center Tarris Reed (Fr/Fr)

6-10 bruiser big with plus handle + strength to exploit traditional bigs. Well-developed spin and jump-stop moves. Proficient roll man. Developing perimeter shooter with true stretch potential. Some shotblocking potential based on length.

image8. Point Guard Dug McDaniel (Fr/Fr)

Undersized pass-first playmaker with 40 AsstRt potential thanks to acceleration and speed. Low TO risk. Below-average shooter, questionable shot mechanics. Lacks strength or size to get to the rim, yet to develop a floater or finishing move. Agility projects to impact on-ball defender, developing still off it (remember the little Tennessee guy?)

image9. Guard-Wing Isaiah Barnes (Fr/So)

Redshirted when a 6'7" guard would have been highly useful, but potential starter if he clicks. Underrated athlete with NBA potential as swiss army knife Not Just a Shooter™. Athleticism to develop into a plus defender. Just so many pieces to develop still.

PUSHING FROM BEHIND

image10. Wing-Forward Jace Howard (So/Jr)

Elder Howard son has a very different game from younger. Undersized forward/glue guy a la TWII. Decent perimeter defender and outside shooter. High-energy, Not a ballhandler, effective 2-point jumpers.

WAITING THEIR TURN

image11. Power Forward Will Tschetter (Fr/So)

Headbandy, coach-beloved stretch four with limited length/jumps/agility. Cans his threes. Effort dude who wouldn't look out of place in Wisconsin frontcourt. Probably a Just a Shooter who will nevertheless become a fan-favorite while annoying the living hell out of opponents.

image12. Wing-Forward Gregg Glenn (Fr/Fr)

Playmaking wing who fell from top-40 to the edges of four stars. Potent passer, medium-plus athleticism (think Zak Irvin) to blow by mediocre athletes. Inefficient shooter, already pretty strong, Jett's bestie.

Comments

MGlobules

May 10th, 2022 at 9:18 AM ^

If Caleb's back--and he's closer to being gone than I think most fans realize--I think that this team can be very good, should be seen as a B1G contender. Without him, I have a harder time conceiving such a trajectory right now. But that's Juwan's job, and he's good at it. 

Mich1993

May 10th, 2022 at 10:24 AM ^

Without Caleb, Williams slides into the 4 and Jett starts at SF.  Would hinge on Bufkin and Jett developing quickly and McDaniel being ready as back-up PG.  Would need one or more of Barnes/Tschetter/Jace to step up which seems reasonable.  Jace was playable last year.  I could see us using the extra scholarship on a just-a-shooter.

 

ak47

May 10th, 2022 at 2:18 PM ^

I gotta be honest, I don't see Dug as ever being an impactful big ten guard, let alone being one as a freshman. Its tough because you aren't going to get a transfer to be a backup, but that 2023 pg is going to be an important recruit or we are going to be in the portal for a starting PG again next year

TrueBlue2003

May 11th, 2022 at 10:28 PM ^

This will be the third year in a row that we've elected to take a grad transfer despite having a returning PG, and in each case, I think it was an upgrade.

I can see this just being the norm now.  Let the mid-majors develop PGs and then take them when they're ready.  There's almost no reason for a P5 team to start a guy who's not already pretty well developed.  So unless a guy is willing to be a backup and develop for a couple years, it'll be hard to start unless they're an elite talent.

TrueBlue2003

May 10th, 2022 at 12:40 PM ^

I don't think his decision swings things that much.  He wasn't that great last year and he doesn't project to make a big improvement based on limited athleticism.  I don't think more minutes of Twill is a downgrade, and more minutes of Jett may only be a downgrade early.  Plus, they'd be able to take a PG or center transfer which they probably need worse than a wing right now (assuming Barnes will be playable).

I think Hunter and Llewellyn provide a decent floor for this team - like middle of the conference pack team.

Bufkin is the real X-factor here.  If he makes the kind of sophomore leap that sees him start to make good on his potential, THAT is how Michigan gets to being a very good, B1G ten contending team with Houstan or not.

MGlobules

May 10th, 2022 at 1:58 PM ^

I think you're aware of the potential irony in saying that a guy who may go to the league isn't so important and totally unproven guy is the key. But--as I've noted here before--one or two more buckets a game last year, and we're all begging Houstan to come back (and also had three-four more wins, and a fantastic season). I love Kobe, and friends who know him from GR think he could be a star in the making, so I'll take all the improvement and stardom he can muster. But mostly what we've seen of him is limited action and struggles when he saw the court. 

OTOH, we HAVE seen Houstan when he's on and know that he's a sharpshooter. No, he's not quite the phenom we may have believed he was, but anyone who did as well in FIBA and other events at 16 and 17 is going to be much better going forward. To me, it looks like he had freshman struggles, and could readily average 12-20 points for the team as a confident sophomore.

The one thing this board teaches me is that writing 18-19 year-olds off based on 18-19 year-old struggles--or assuming that they're finished products at 18-22 is really, really dumb. Lot of people tempted to do that, though, getting proved wrong repeatedly. 

TrueBlue2003

May 10th, 2022 at 5:34 PM ^

Nah, no irony.  Everyone knows Bufkin has a higher ceiling. I'm not predicting he comes close to it next year, but IF he does make a big leap (10-20% chance?), that's a much higher leverage outcome for Michigan than Houstan returning, IMO. 

Obviously both would be nice, but I don't think Houstan returning adds that much value given the alternatives.  We've ALSO seen Twill when he's on. And that's my point. I like both players.  I just don't think Houstan is going to be significantly better than the guy that would be in line for his minutes anyway.

I hope I'm wrong and Houstan too makes a big leap.

MGlobules

May 10th, 2022 at 8:20 PM ^

Well--again--we're both wishing good things for the team. But given that they're the same age, I'd place the safe bet on Caleb's maturation over summer taking him to a more effective place next fall than Kobe (who I agree, long-term, might be the more complete basketball player). But I think we need shooting, and desperately, next year. And Kobe is unlikely to supply that in anything like the proportion that Caleb can. And Caleb can go at the four on offense. 

As for T Will, I don't see it. Love him as a player, but we have no suggestion he's going to be a high percentage shooter, perhaps ever. 

In the end, though--going back to your original proposition: shrugging at the thought of losing Caleb (when it's either one or BOTH?). . . not your best chess-playing move! There's a pretty serious chance Caleb could be a lights out shooter next year. 

EDIT: Word is he's been killing it in workouts, so--again--the notion that he was washed up at 18 looks to have been premature. Still, I won't gloat if he's gone--my point is that we need him!

 

 

 

TrueBlue2003

May 11th, 2022 at 7:12 PM ^

You're really a sharing a short video of a guy shooting set shots in his free time?

No one in the NBA can do this, but I wouldn't give him a contract:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jroUnCgU9Fg

Basketball =/= HORSE

We know that Caleb is a very good shooter when he has time and gets his feet set.  That's a pretty small subset of the things you need to do to be a great basketball player though.

Like I said, I just don't see him being significantly better than Twill next year overall because he's not a better athlete.  I certainly hope I'm wrong though and that he maximizes his defensive potential and starts being a pull up sniper.

MGlobules

May 11th, 2022 at 10:13 PM ^

Yes, because that's video of him shooting for scouts, last week, and he has reportedly been impressing. And points--in case you hadn't heard--are the currency of the NBA, and of basketball; the guy who just might be able to get you a lot of them is in high demand. I'm still going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that I think you must be aware that Caleb is a much more highly-regarded long-term prospect. Hell, he just finished a first year in college, while T Will has had two. Glue guy, microwave, energy guy, scrapper--T Will is all those things. But there's a reason why after year two he is not even in conversations about the next level. And as I said, T Will is already on next year's team, so shrugging and saying you're okay with Caleb going--your original gambit. . . I probably just should have let that rather poorly considered comment sit and molder by its lonesome. 

TrueBlue2003

May 11th, 2022 at 10:49 PM ^

You know who had a great workout shooting shots by himself for scouts?  Darko Milicic.  Means very little.

I'm not saying anything about long term.  The argument is about how much of a downgrade Twill/Jett would be if they had to absorb the minutes that Caleb might otherwise take next year which could also be offset but bringing in another transfer at a position of need (PG or center). 

I merely said I don't think that combo is much of a downgrade next year, nothing about long term (even though I'm not high on Caleb's long term prospects either).  Twill was better last year and yes, Caleb should catch up some, but I just don't see him passing Williams by a significant amount, if at all.

Potential / interest from the NBA does not at all necessarily effeciency/effectiveness/production in college.  We've seen this over and over.

MGlobules

May 12th, 2022 at 9:07 AM ^

You got caught up in a crackers argument, and you're persisting. Darko's workout meant millions. The point is not, as you yourself admit, whether Caleb is going to earn out long-term; it's whether he's going or staying. And asserting that it doesn't matter is crackers, especially when two in hand are worth any number in the bush. But Mgoblog posters who are dismissive or worse about exquisitely gifted kids who are on their way to millions is American as apple pie; we are a crazed assortment of envious, scornful, and rabid, using sports as a screen on which to project our national nuttiness. Get in the queue! :)

I'll leave this now, and you can have the last word if you care to. #knowwhentofold

Action

May 10th, 2022 at 10:37 AM ^

I think the starting lineup is better with TWill than Houstan.  His energy and defense, and shooting is probably equivalent.

Depth takes a hit, but if they can get someone in the portal for depth, they might be better off.

ak47

May 10th, 2022 at 2:21 PM ^

Houstan was a better overall defender than Williams. They also didn't generally guard the same position last year. When Williams got his minutes in the tournament it was replacing Diabate, not Houstan.

Also in terms of 3 point shooting, Houstan was significantly better as a freshman than Williams was as a freshman. I think its more likely Houstan is a 40% 3 pt shooter than Williams next year given that generally the biggest jump in play is freshman to sophmore.

TrueBlue2003

May 10th, 2022 at 5:53 PM ^

That's because they put Williams in when they wanted to go small.  They're really the same positionally.  College fours.

Williams three point shooting last year was 100% irrelevant.  He took 14 of them.  I'd guess they'll both be high 30s next year, and would be really surprised if one was significantly better than the other (ie had significantly higher three point percentage than the other).

WestQuad

May 10th, 2022 at 10:48 AM ^

The whole NBA drafting on potential thing sort of sucks.  Diabate needs some development, and while it is cool to root for the Jordan Poole's of the world because they went to Michigan, it is also nice to see them realize some of their potential at Michigan.  We're spoiled getting Dickenson back, so I shouldn't complain, but give me more Eli Brooks and fewer Jordan Pooles.  (JP was good while we had him, but we only got the first glimpses of his talent.)

Is it better to be a Wisonsin-esque team and recruit guys who probably won't go pro?

King Tot

May 10th, 2022 at 11:52 AM ^

I refuse to do the research but I imagine you will find very few teams who are winning championships without 1-2 year players contributing. The truth is if you are relying on one single method to build your team you will not really be competing. You need elite talent, you need program guys, and you need transfers. We are lucky that so far Howard has done an excellent job balancing these aspects.

TrueBlue2003

May 10th, 2022 at 1:53 PM ^

People mentioned Baylor who had multiple transfers, but Kansas was led by Remy Martin, one of the best transfers of last year.

Kansas only had one sophomore in their top 9 rotational players and ZERO freshmen. 

They were full of experienced 4 star players.  This was similar to Baylor the year before, Villanova's title winning teams, UVA in 2019, etc etc. 

There have really only been two teams that win a title in the one-and-done era with one and done's playing prominent roles: Kentucky in 2012 because Anthony Davis was insane and Duke in 2015.

Third year 4 stars >> first year 5 stars, generally

ak47

May 10th, 2022 at 2:32 PM ^

Its also extremely hard to build a team of good third year 4 stars. Baylor did it through transfers, UVA did it by losing in the first round as a 1 seed and having their fringe NBA guys come back because of it (they also started a freshman and a sophomore), etc. 

Winning a championship involves a fair amount of luck and things to break right. Having the most talented players is generally the best way to give yourself the most chances which is why UNC/Duke/Kentucky have the most championships and each have won in the last decade.

TrueBlue2003

May 10th, 2022 at 6:10 PM ^

I agree that that it is also very hard to follow the UVA/Villanova model and turn it into a championship because there are more four stars and so more teams can try to do it that way.

I also generally agree that more talent is better, because again, when you get that very tip top talent (like an Anthony Davis or Jahlil Okafor) it's very advantageous.

But short of getting that very top talent, it's not a surprise that Jay Wright stopped recruiting a certain type of five star in that 5-25 range and why Coach K stopped after the Corey Maggette class, only to then go for one-and-dones again after Cal won with Davis.

People probably forget that after the Maggette team, coach K recruited a pretty specific type of player that was highly skilled but didn't have elite NBA talent.

And it's with those guys that he won all but one of his titles this century: Jon Sheyer, Kyle Singler and mostly other upperclassmen in 2010 and Dunleavy, Williams, Duhon and other upperclassmen in 2001.

Most of these coaches that get to pick their players focus on the best talent that is also already skilled and won't leave for the NBA in a year if they're not yet skilled.  So there's a bit of a qualification on talent if you're a coach that has a choice.

There is a reason Moussa was not pursued heavily by most of the blue bloods like Duke, Kansas, Nova, etc and that Memphis, Oregon, and a rebuilding Arizona were in the mix.

lunchboxthegoat

May 10th, 2022 at 12:06 PM ^

I think the secret sauce is both. We've been spoiled because we've had that mix going back to 2011. You have to recruit guys with little to no NBA prospects to build a core and a culture of a program --- to create a foundation. Then you sprinkle in the Jordan Pooles, Diabates, etc. If you lean too far one way - you become Wisconsin - hideous unwatchable basketball with extremely limited upside. If you lean too far the other -- you're Kentucky. Soulless, no fight teams who either end up in the championship game based on talent or bounced in the first round by a MAAC school. 

BTB grad

May 10th, 2022 at 12:26 PM ^

Do you not want to go to Final Fours anymore? 2018 (Moe, Poole, Livers, Duncan), 2013 (Burke, Hardaway, Stauskas, GRIII, LeVert), 1992, and 1991 were rosters littered with NBA pro players. Wisconsin is taking that route because they can’t attract the recruits Michigan can. Saying “let’s stop recruiting the most talented players” is insanity. It’s not like we’re recruiting one & dones. Iggy is the only one & done I can think of since Beilein was hired and Diabate might be the second. Our NBA guys are usually 2 & done or 3 & done guys which is a lot more helpful for continuity.

dragonchild

May 10th, 2022 at 12:12 PM ^

Why nine? Five starters, four rotation players.

Actually this is allegedly from Howard himself, per anonymous insider scoop:

The Company of Team 107 shall be Nine; and the Nine Wolverines shall be set against the Nine Buckeyes that are evil.  With you and your faithful servant, Dickinson will go; for this shall be his great task, and maybe the end of his labours.

It was after some really long meeting with elves and dwarves and hobbits and stuff.

Suavdaddy

May 10th, 2022 at 1:48 PM ^

Seth, I love you but "Surprisingly advanced offensive game as a 4 or 5" is borderline meth smoking. 

Besides the throw it up and it goes in no matter what or where Iowa game, his offense was a struggle outside of flashes of potential.  It felt as every post feed to him was tantamount to a turnover whether in actual or in missed shot format.  For a super springy guy, didn't want to dunk it enough - how many bunnies did he miss that should have been dunks?  

Has a vast area to improve here.

AC1997

May 10th, 2022 at 3:33 PM ^

I have more disagreement's with Seth on this version than I did at football, though I think this is a fun piece and good to revisit from time to time.  Here are my disagreements:

  1. I'm not sure Houstan is coming back....85% of players invited to the combine have left in the past (even though only 50% get drafted).
  2. I do think Houstan will play some 4 with a small-ball lineup, but MGoBlog has decided he's a 4 and that's that....even though he played 32mpg as a 3 and projects there in the NBA.  If the season started tomorrow, I think he's your 3 and TWill is your 4.  The good news is that those two guys combined with Jett mean you can mix and match options.
  3. I'm not sure Frankie was the facilitator he is reputed to be.  He's a great iso attacker...never much of a set-up guy.
  4. TWill is not a 3 really.  I did like the "positionless" statement because his size makes him a bit wonky anywhere, but I think he's more 4 than anything else.  
  5. Jace can shoot?  Hmm.....
  6. I'm skeptical that Barnes should be ahead of Tschetter/Jace on this list.  Barnes has three guys with a similar profile ahead of him on this list.  If we need a third big, or a true PF....who's playing?   

My hottest take this offseason is that Tschetter is going to get minutes next year.  I think he'll be in that "9th man" role where he'll sometimes get a DNP and sometimes get 12 minutes - think Freshman TWill.  I think his size, energy, and shooting are going to get him on the court.

SanDiegoWolverine

May 10th, 2022 at 4:27 PM ^

AC1997, a little math for you. Last year 69 players were invited and all but a couple lottery picks accepted. If those 69, 11 were seniors and auto eligible. 4 we're g League guys and also auto eligible. Let's say 20 of them were first round locks so also staying in the draft. So only about a half really had any choice. There's also another large percentage that no doubt got an agent so were also going to stay in. So the 85% figure Isa red herring. Reposting it in every thread is dumb. A lot of really big names withdrew last year and there's no reason to expect anything different this year.

There's probably only about 20 players at the combine that really have a serious decision to make and if half of them withdraw that's not bad odds.

AC1997

May 10th, 2022 at 5:37 PM ^

I genuinely hope that there are players, including ours, that go through the process and realize the best opportunity for them is to come back for next year. Therefore I hope you're right.  Guys like Murray, Davis, Ivey, and Franz are excellent examples of what can happen if you gamble out yourself and win.  

I also realize that there are a lot of unknowns with respect to the combines invite list in terms of who was invited who declined who was a B list invite etc.  But specifically with those numbers you mentioned, my understanding was that of the 69 players invited last year only 9 or 10 return to school.  While I realize you are correct that a lot of those invites were players that couldn't or had no desire to return to school, the fact of the matter is that very few players that made it that far chose to go back.  Without seeing the full list this year it's hard to know the makeup of the player pool but I don't know that I agree with you that a lot of good players came back to school.  Now players invited to the G League combine is a different story and should be a place Michigan shops for potential transfers as well.

SanDiegoWolverine

May 10th, 2022 at 6:56 PM ^

Would you consider Kessler Edwards to bea good player? How about Ochai Agbaji or Johnny Juzang? The transfer player we just lost to Illinois was there and came back too. 

If he plays in the scrimmages and lights it up we're in trouble. If he plays like he did this year I think he comes back. Last year's list https://www.google.com/amp/s/dknation.draftkings.com/platform/amp/2021/6/15/22535710/nba-draft-2021-combine-invites-players-attending-list-date-time-location