Thinkin' about the bubble [David Wilcomes]

NCAA Bubble Watch 2k23 and Big Ten Tournament Seeding Rooting Guide Comment Count

Alex.Drain February 28th, 2023 at 12:53 PM

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After being buried by this very site just 5.5 weeks ago, your Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team is back in the NCAA Tournament hunt after three straight big wins, beating MSU and Wisconsin at home and Rutgers on the road last Thursday. The NCAA Tournament, while still not likely yet, is very much in the conversation as we enter the final week of the regular season. The Big Ten Tournament picture is also extremely unsettled, with a pile up of teams from the two through ten spot in the conference, Michigan included. Today we'll be looking at where Michigan sits in terms of their hopes of making the NCAA Tournament, what they need to do to get in and who to cheer for/against nationally, as well as a quick look at the final week of jostling for BTT seeding, with a brief rooting guide there too: 

 

Michigan's Bubble Profile 

The Wolverines enter this week as one of the most bubbly teams in the country (bubblicious??), either one of the very last teams in or the very first teams out, depending on who you look at. Among the big brand bracketologists, Jerry Palm of CBS has Michigan the first team out and Joe Lunardi of ESPN has Michigan the fourth team out. 1-3-1 Sports, one of the Bracket Matrix's best bracketologists over the last four seasons, has Michigan as the third team out. In the Matrix's most recent bracket update, Michigan appeared in six of 97 brackets, indicating that the team still has work to do to be in the tournament field, but they are within striking distance of doing so. 

As for Michigan's credentials, Torvik presents their team sheet as the following: 55th in NET, 48th in KPI and 53rd in strength of record (SOR) for an average of 50.5 among the resume metrics, and 54th in BPI, 41st in KenPom, and 31st in Sagarin for an average of 42nd among the efficiency metrics. In terms of their wins, Michigan is 3-10 in Q1 games (1-4 in Q1A), 6-1 in Q2 games, 4-0 in Q3 games, and 4-1 in Q4 games. The biggest impediment to Michigan's resume at this point in time may well be that anchor of a loss to Central Michigan in late December, as the Chips are a dreadful team that no good MAC team should be losing to, let alone an at-large tournament contender. CMU is 10-19 on the season and 5-11 in MAC play, tied for 3rd worst in the league. They rank 318th in NET and 326th in KenPom. It was a disastrous loss no matter how you slice it. 

Among the eight teams in CBS' last four in/first four out bucket, Michigan and ASU are the only teams with a Q4 loss (ASU lost to Texas Southern on the road). It's something that seriously hurts bubble teams and it's a major issue right now. On the flip side, though, the Wolverines can argue that they are tied for 2nd in the B1G, a conference poised to put up to nine teams in the NCAA Tournament. If that spot in the conference can be maintained when the regular season is over, it will be hard to keep the Maize & Blue out. Of course, the flip side of this argument is that while Michigan has been good in B1G play (second best in net efficiency in conference games!), their non-conference showing was a big fat goose egg. In some ways it reminds me of the 2019 and 2020 Michigan Hockey teams under Mel Pearson who would play terribly the first few months of the season and then catch fire in conference play in January/February, but would still be a fringe bubble team because they're having to dig themselves out of a giant hole created in the first half of the season. 

This one still hurts [Bill Rapai]

Michigan's Q1 record of 3-10 is not good, but playing 13 Q1 games does show how competitive Michigan's schedule was and how deep the B1G is. When you consider the 6-1 record against Q2, a 9-11 record in Q1/Q2 games isn't too shabby and not far off from other bubble squads (Wisconsin = 10-11, OKST = 8-13, WVU = 10-13, Boise St. = 9-5, ASU = 9-8, UNC = 7-11). At this point you can say that Michigan can shore themselves up if they can add a couple more Q1 wins to that bucket, so that their Q1/Q2 record isn't just off the backs of Q2 wins. Thankfully, the schedule sets up rather favorably for that the rest of the way, with two Q1-A road games this week and then the BTT looming. 

Looking at the remaining schedule, Michigan would feel good about itself if it can win one of those two games this week. Doing so would add another "signature" win to the resume, bump all the metrics up further, and keep your Q1/Q2 record in check, as opposed to sliding to 9-13. Winning none of the games this week puts the Wolverines in a brutal spot entering the BTT, with Torvik's Teamcast at that point giving them 3% odds of making it in as an at-large. Winning one of the two bumps the odds up to 45.8% if the win is against Illinois, and 56.4% if it's against Indiana. Make-it-or-break-it time.

Let's say they beat Illinois and lose to Indiana. In that case the first BTT opponent is likely someone like Iowa. What if you win that game? At that point Torvik has it at 66% for an at-large bid and you're feeling pretty decent going into Selection Sunday. In other words, that's the formula: go at least 1-1 this week, win your first BTT game, and the odds are more likely than not that Michigan can make it in. It'd also be nice to get some help... 

[AFTER THE JUMP: Rooting and seeding scenarios that will make your head spin!]

 

[Marc-Gregor Campredon]

Bubble Rooting Guide 

How about the other teams on the bubble? As a Michigan partisan, you want to see those teams SUFFER and clear up spots on the bubble for Juwan Howard's squad to jump in the picture. The last teams in (and the other bubble out teams) via the Matrix are: 

- Boise St.: The Broncos are the only team on the 10 line that I included, but it's not out of the question they could slip as the last team on that line in the Matrix. Boise is 2nd in the MWC behind a very good San Diego State team, in the mix with Nevada who's just above the bubble and Utah State down at the bottom of this list of teams. Boise St. plays a HUGE game tonight against SDSU at home, and then they go on the road to Utah State. It could be a week that sees BSU shore up their position or tumble down the board. For rooting sake, I think we'd prefer to see them lose to SDSU but beat Utah State because catching the Broncos is less important than keeping Utah State down. 

- Memphis: Memphis is 2nd in the AAC with a 12-4 record in conference play behind national #1 Houston, and they are the first team on the 11 line to the Bracket Matrix, in decent position but still with plenty of basketball to play. In a league like the AAC, you're trying to avoid pitfall games and Memphis will be doing that on Thursday when they play @SMU. Michigan should be hoping the Tigers fall into that trap, in addition to hoping they do not beat Houston at home on Sunday. A win there for the Tigers should all but lock up their at-large berth.

- USC: The Trojans are tied with Arizona for 2nd in the PAC-12 but are still not securely in. They currently sit in the second rung on the 11 line, at the end of the "last four byes" grouping. They finish up with two games against notable teams, a home game Thursday against #8 Arizona and then a Saturday home game against fellow bubble team ASU. For Michigan's sake, I think we want USC to lose to Arizona (denying them a marquee win) but to beat ASU, as Michigan is closer to ASU than USC. 

[Marc-Gregor Campredon]

- Mississippi St.: MSU is square on the bubble, somewhere between last four in and last four byes according to most bracketologists, in good shape but with work to do. They are only 7-9 in the SEC, bolstered by a stronger non-conference, and have two SEC games remaining. They host a bad South Carolina team tonight (obviously cheering for an upset) and then go on the road to a decent Vanderbilt team. The Commodores are outside the bubble picture, so we are safe to cheer for the Bulldogs to lose here, too. 

- West Virginia: WVU is another firm bubble team, typically ranked in the "last four in" category. They are a rough 6-11 in Big XII play, but bracketologists are cutting them some slack playing in a hard league and with a strong non-conference resume. Unfortunately for Michigan, WVU solidified their position in winning a legit Q1 game against a good Iowa State squad last night. The Mounties play one more game on Saturday, a home game against #11 K-State, so Michigan fans ought to be rooting for the 'Cats to deny WVU a second Q1 win this week. 

- Oklahoma St.: The Pokes are just about at the cut line entering the week and Michigan got a boost last night when OKST lost to Baylor at home 74-68, robbing them of a chance for a pivotal Q1 win. Their lone remaining regular season game is @Texas Tech on Saturday, who are buried at the bottom of the Big XII standings. Thus, a Cowboy loss in that game would likely toss them off the bubble entirely and therefore is the optimal outcome for Michigan. 

- Wisconsin: The first B1G team to appear is Wisconsin, who is the Matrix's final team in the field after their loss Sunday to Michigan. At 16-12, the situation is extremely precarious for Wisconsin, but they've got a chance to change that on Thursday night with a home game for Purdue. We are #BoilerUp all the way in that game. The Badgers finish @Minnesota on Sunday; cheer for a Gopher win but keep your expectations very low. 

[David Wilcomes]

- Arizona St.: You may recall Michigan getting blasted by ASU in the non-conference. Well, funny enough, both teams find themselves nearly at the cut line as we hit the regular season's final week, both slightly bubble out at this time. ASU did wonders for itself by knocking off Arizona on Saturday on a miraculous half-court shot, which is a bummer for Michigan but oh well. The 20-9 Sun Devils still have work to do and get two more chances to do that work, a road game at #4 UCLA on Thursday and then a road game against USC, who is just above the bubble, on Saturday. A win in either game has ASU sitting pretty going into the conference tournaments. Losses in both has them slip sliding away. We want the latter. 

- North Carolina: Another one of Michigan's non-conference opponents, UNC's season has been defined by their fall from preseason #1 to bubble team, ranked as the second team out of the picture by the Matrix, with work still to do. UNC sits at 19-11 overall and 11-8 in the ACC. They beat a sad FSU team last night and then have the usual end of season finale against Duke on Saturday in Chapel Hill. Duke is a solid 7 seed and not on the bubble, so the rooting interest here is for the Blue Devils to win on the road. 

- Penn St.: These guys got bucked from the last four in category to the first four out after losing at home to Rutgers on Sunday, a game that saw them blow a 20 point second half lead. That was good news for Michigan's at-large hopes, but more help would be a plus. The Nittany Lions have two games remaining, a road game at Northwestern on Wednesday and then a home game against Maryland on Sunday. Both of those teams are solidly in the tournament, so Michigan fans should cheer for both to beat the Lions.  

- Clemson: The Clemson Tigers find themselves a couple spots lower on the bubble than UNC, despite being a couple spots higher than the Tar Heels in the ACC standings. Like Michigan, Clemson is using a strong conference record (13-5, tied for third) to drive their bubble bid, but are currently in the first four out group. Tonight the Tigers get a huge opportunity to propel themselves into the tourney picture when they go to Charlottesville to take on UVA. Michigan fans should be cheering like hell for Virginia. Clemson finishes their regular season at home on Saturday against 10-19 Notre Dame so while Michigan should be cheering for the Irish (yuck), don't get too excited. Ensuring Clemson doesn't get that win tonight is far more important, though. 

- Utah St.: As mentioned briefly in the Boise State section, the Aggies are in the thick of things in the Mountain West but they have lots of ground to make up. They go on the road to UNLV in a Q2 game and then host Boise State. For Michigan's sake, we would like to see the Aggies lose both (and go out quickly in the MWC Tournament). 

 

[Marc-Gregor Campredon]

Big Ten Tournament Rooting Guide

The Wolverines enter the week in a pile up of B1G teams clustered in the middle of the standings. Here're the current standings: 

Record   NET   KP/Torvik Avg   OFFENSE   DEFENSE
Team OVR B1G RK Q1 Q2 Nat Rk (chg) Proj. B1G
Rec.
KP BT KP BT
PUR 24-5 13-5 5th 9-4 5-1 5.5 15-5 10th 12th 19th 14th
IU 20-9 11-7 18th 5-8 6-1 22.5 12-8 21th 24th 40th 47th
MD 20-9 11-7 21st 3-8 7-1 21.5 12-8 26th 32nd 30th 42nd
NW 20-9 11-7 41st 7-5 4-4 43 12-8 92nd 80th 25th 23rd
M 17-12 11-7 55th 3-10 6-1 43.5 12-8 41st 45th 60th 64th
ILL 19-10 10-8 34th 3-9 6-1 39.5 11-9 69th 85th 24th 30th
IA 18-11 10-8 43rd 4-8 8-2 47 11-9 5th 6th 171th 195th
RUT 18-11 10-8 32nd 6-6 3-2 30.5 12-8 170th 174th 3rd 3rd
MSU 17-11 9-8 33rd 6-9 4-1 27.5 10-9 52nd 48th 33rd 29th
PSU 17-12 8-10 59th 3-7 4-5 49 9-11 14th 14th 137th 148th
WIS 16-12 8-10 72nd 6-6 4-5 68 9-11 153rd 154th 21st 22nd
NEB 15-14 8-10 52nd 3-10 4-4 100.5 9-11 166th 173rd 58th 69th
OSU 12-17 4-14 63rd 1-11 5-5 66.5 5-15 28th 36th 118th 126th
MINN 7-20 1-16 237th 1-11 0-7 228.5 1-18 272nd 285th 168th 166th

The Torvik projected B1G records here are playing the odds, saying everyone is going to go finish 1-1 except Purdue and Rutgers going 2-0 and Minnesota finishing 0-2. If the season finished with those projected records, and Michigan were in a five-way tie for second at 12-8, the seeding would be determined by the cumulative record of each team against the other teams in the grouping. Another way to look at the projected records and standings before we get into seeding scenarios is this handy matrix from Reddit's r/CollegeBasketball forum: 

It's a mess! 

What we know about seeding to this point is pretty straightforward. Minnesota is locked into #14 and Ohio State into #13. Purdue needs one win to lock up the #1 seed and that seems very likely, even if the Boilers have been slumping recently. As for Michigan, they cannot finish below 9th, meaning that they have at least ensured that no game involving Michigan will be played on Wednesday of next week. One win this week guarantees that Michigan will finish ahead of MSU and would require Illinois, Rutgers, or Iowa to sweep their games in order to tie with Michigan, while forcing the teams they're tied with to sweep to finish ahead. I know that's a mouthful and may be a bit to wrap your head around. Here's the remaining schedules: 

Purdue: @Wisconsin, ILL 

- Indiana: Iowa, Michigan 

- Maryland: @OSU, @PSU 

- Northwestern: PSU, @Rutgers 

- Michigan: @ILL, @IU 

- Illinois: Michigan, @Purdue 

- Iowa: @IU, Nebraska 

- Rutgers: @Minn, NW 

- MSU: @Nebraska, OSU 

- PSU: @NW, MD 

- Wisconsin: Purdue, @Minn. 

- Nebraska: MSU, @Iowa 

I omitted Minnesota and Ohio State because their seeds are locked in and irrelevant from this section. If the goal is for Michigan to get a top four bye in the BTT, and we assume the reasonable scenario of Michigan going 1-1 this week, then what needs to happen? Well, like I said, by winning one game you can't finish lower than 8th, so there's four teams you have to be above or win tiebreakers with. Illinois, Iowa, and Rutgers can't be tied with you if they also go 1-1 (or 0-2). Beating Illinois knocks them out right there, guaranteeing at least a 7th place finish, though Illinois' road trip to Purdue also likely gets the job done. In a perfect world, you'd rather win the IU game than the Illinois game if you can only pick one, but that won't affect my rooting on Thursday obviously. Iowa goes to Indiana as well as hosting Nebraska. Michigan should be cheering for Indiana against the Hawkeyes. Rutgers goes to Minnesota and hosts Northwestern... you're hoping for a Miracle against Minnesota but probably cheering for the Knights against the 'Cats. 

[Marc-Gregor Campredon]

The reason is because Michigan is comfortable finishing tied with Rutgers (1-0 H2H record) and Northwestern (2-0 H2H record). Northwestern plays PSU (we want NW for bubble-sake), so a loss by the 'Cats against Rutgers gets them an identical 1-1 finish to Michigan. Looking at Maryland, we want the Buckeyes to do us a solid and upset the Terps, while we'd prefer Maryland to beat Penn State (also for bubble reasons). That ensures the 1-1 finish. Finally, Indiana has Iowa and Michigan, both at home. As I stated previously, the optimum outcome here is Indiana beating Iowa and then losing to Michigan. 

I felt like a codebreaker trying to come up with the perfect set of outcomes using the assumption of Michigan going 1-1, but this is what the standings would look like as a result: 

Purdue (15-5), Indiana (12-8)/Northwestern (12-8)/Maryland (12-8)/Michigan (12-8)/Rutgers (12-8)

Of those five teams, Michigan would be 5-2 against the group, the best record, while Rutgers would be 4-2, followed by Maryland 3-2, Northwestern and Indiana 2-5. So, the BTT seeding would be Purdue 1, Michigan 2, Rutgers 3, Maryland 4, Northwestern 5, Indiana 6. Iowa and Illinois would be tied at 11-9, with the Hawkeyes having the tiebreaker, so they would be the 7, in-line to play Michigan in the quarterfinals. That's a draw I'd overall be very happy with and would be the best case scenario here, under the parameters I set out in this exercise.

Of course, if Michigan simply goes 2-0 this week then they would be in great position for a top four bye. But if they don't, the general principles for rooting I've laid out are this: cheer against PSU and Wisconsin for bubble purposes, cheer for the teams Michigan is tied with currently to all go 1-1 because Michigan fairs well in the tiebreaker, and it's okay if Rutgers goes 2-0 to close, also for tiebreaker reasons.

That's my best advice for following this hectic as hell final week of college basketball.

Comments

TrueBlue2003

February 28th, 2023 at 1:09 PM ^

I would argue the CMU loss is not the biggest anchor, certainly not something that can't be overcome.  Pitt has a q4 loss and USC has a q4 loss and they're both in the last four byes bucket.

The committee is pretty forgiving of one clunker if you have decent q1 and q2 records.

Michigan's more significant limiting factor right now is that 3-10 q1 record.  Need another W this week and it would be absolutely huge if MSU and/or Pitt moved up a couple spots to give them additional q1 wins.

BlueTimesTwo

February 28th, 2023 at 1:26 PM ^

If one bad game is enough to keep a team out, then the system seems a bit arbitrary.  There are so many games that even a bad team can have a hot shooting night and a good team can be off.  If the goal is to have the best teams in the tournament, it seems like trends should be important.  A very young team that overcomes early injuries to play well at the end of the season seems more deserving of a bid than one that won early and is playing poorly late.  The late improvement seems more repeatable going forward, although that is just a heuristic and I may be biased.

goblu330

February 28th, 2023 at 1:33 PM ^

It is getting to a place where it feels a bit overly technical/statistical.  It is a game they should not have lost, but why should it be that prohibitive going forward?  Central would not have a chance of beating Michigan right now and their win at the beginning of the season was 1 in 100.  So what is it about the loss that should be such a big deal at this point? 

Like, does it make sense when you say it like "Michigan is tied for second in the Big Ten and has looked like a borderline Top 10 team for the last month..... but they did lose to Central in December."  Just doesn't make much sense.  I could see it if it was a pattern but Michigan is 14-2 v. Quad 2-4 teams.  This is a team that beats who they are supposed to beat.

Michigan lost to Athletes in Action in 1993 and beat Rice by 4 points.  Should that have cost them the Number 1 seed?

TrueBlue2003

February 28th, 2023 at 1:47 PM ^

So what is it about the loss that should be such a big deal at this point? 

Every team could say that about it's worst loss.  You can't just start subjectively forgiving some teams for some games.  Michigan didn't show up and took a bad loss.  They deserve to be accountable for that.

Not by missing the tournament per se, but by needing to make up for it with the rest of their schedule.

And it's really not a big deal.  That's my whole point.  It's not the primary problem with Michigan's resume.

So far, they only have three wins in q1 games out of thirteen attempts.  That's the problem and it's not enough to make up for a bad loss.  But one more q1 win this week should be enough.

goblu330

February 28th, 2023 at 2:05 PM ^

I guess my point is that maybe every team should be able to say that about it's worst loss.  There just seems to be an exaggerated focus on each teams worst moment.  I think with the exception of auto-bids, you just want the best teams in the tournament.  That team that played Central bears no resemblance to the team they are now.  I know that is subjective and they have to be objective, but it seems to be a bit exaggerated. 

TrueBlue2003

February 28th, 2023 at 3:28 PM ^

Ok, and I guess every team can say that about its worst loss, ie every team has the opportunity to make up for it with the rest of their schedule. 

And the teams that don't have a bad loss get a little more wiggle room / forgiveness on needing a lot of quality wins.  It's the whole picture.  Wouldn't be fair to let a team throw out a bad loss when some teams don't have bad losses.

bronxblue

February 28th, 2023 at 1:53 PM ^

UNC doesn't have a Quad 4 loss I don't think; they're 1-8 in Q1 games and that's why they're scuttling. Pitt has the Q4 loss (at home to a bad FSU team) and basically have the same number of Q1 wins as UM (4 vs. 3, with a home win over #28 UVa being a Q1 while UM's win over #52 Pitt on a neutral court is a Q2).  

I do agree that the big thing for UM is to just keep winning games; the easiest way to make the tourney is to just win enough games that it doesn't matter what other teams do.

B-Nut-GoBlue

February 28th, 2023 at 6:30 PM ^

How is 4-3 way better? We're tetering on 5 wins if 2 teams we played would get their shit together...ope one of them happens to be Pitt.  The 10 losses I think shows the competition disparity, not something that overall hurts.  I'm being a bit pedantic here...fwiw you and others have been making great posts about bball and "the bubble"! It's not going unnoticed even from those of us who haven't been participating in the commentary much.

 

TrueBlue2003

February 28th, 2023 at 6:54 PM ^

You don't see how 57% >>>>> 23%?  It's literally more than twice the win % on a not tiny sample for them (smaller but not like it's 2-1).

The losses don't necessarily indicate a competition disparity.  They're all q1 games.  And yes, some q1s are a lot tougher than others but Michigan hasn't played in many of them.  Not like last year.  Other than Purdue, M has played very few (no others?) top end teams.

In fact, many of those q1 losses are barely Q1s: UNC, UVA, @Wisconsin, @PSU...there are more that are in bottom half of q1 than the top half.

AC1997

February 28th, 2023 at 1:38 PM ^

Simply put, we need two more wins in the next two weeks.  Doesn't really matter how or who with the teams we're likely to play.  Frankly, I don't really want a double-bye - I would rather get a single bye with a team we can beat on Thursday to pad the resume.  

One small twist to rooting interest....  

Michigan has the early game on Thursday.  If we're able to win and collect that critical Q1 victory we need, then you might actually want to root against Purdue in the late game.  Why?  Well, while no one wants to root for Wisconsin and we all want them out of the bubble picture - a Michigan win and Purdue loss on Thursday mean that we have a legit chance on Sunday for a share of the conference title.  As crazy as that seems in a season where we've assumed NIT for the last six weeks....we aren't out of the banner picture. 

Bambi

February 28th, 2023 at 1:46 PM ^

There are 3 things I would add here: root for Northwestern, Pitt and MSU.

Northwestern is 41st in the NET, so realistically probably too far from #30 to matter. But if they end strong in the regular season and make a run in the BTT, they could get top top 30 making Michigan's home win over them a Q1 win. To me that's more important than our seed in the BTT.

Pitt is by far the most straightforward one here. They're #52 in the NET, if they got to #50 our neutral court win over them is a Q1 win.

MSU is gonna be the hardest to sell, but also very important. Currently they're #32 in the NET, so same as NW if they to top 30 then that becomes a Q1 win. They also are solidly in the field, so we can't really expect to catch them. With the Minnesota game not getting rescheduled and them already having 8 conference losses, if we win one of our last two games they can't catch us in the B1G standings. Obviously MSU losing is funny, but since their last two games are Nebraska and OSU and irrelevant to the bubble, it probably helps Michigan if they can blow out both schools and get to the top 30.

bronxblue

February 28th, 2023 at 2:03 PM ^

I'd like to push back against the idea that Iowa St is a "good" team right now - they were good months ago but they haven't won consecutive games since the 10th of January and are 2-6 in February.  They're probably going to finish the year 8-10 in conference and on a 5-game losing streak.  They gave away that game to WVU yesterday and it's annoying WVU is getting a ton of credit for it.  Also, WVU's OOC schedule, per KenPom, was 94th while UM's was 160th.  It's...fine but their biggest win was probably @Pittsburgh while UM's was a neutral court win against those same Panthers.  Michigan actually played a good number of tough teams - UNC, UVa, UK, ASU - they just didn't win those games.  WVU also lost to the top-50 teams they played (Purdue and Xavier) but beat Florida and UAB, the only top-100 teams they faced.  So I'd be a bit dubious claiming they played some remarkably tougher OOC schedule; most of their schedule argument is that the Big 12 is good and the rising tide lifts all boats.

ST3

February 28th, 2023 at 2:45 PM ^

I watched some of the BIG12 games last night because I’ve been hearing so much about that conference being exceptional this year. Iowa State is bad. They were playing at home against a 5-11 team down a few players. WVU was carried by JAG Joe Toussaint. He was nothing special at Iowa. And Iowa State is being led by Gabe Kuelscher, who was nothing special at Minnesota. That game resembled the typical PSU-RU level clash between Big10 middle of the pack teams. 
I get it that the BIG12 teams aren’t padding their win totals with games against Minnesota and OSU (how fun is it to type that!) but teams 4-10 in the BIG12 aren’t anything special.

TrueBlue2003

February 28th, 2023 at 3:45 PM ^

Say what you want about what you saw in one game, but Iowa State has a very impressive collection of good wins:

- The UNC team we lost to

- top 10 Baylor

- top 10 Texas

- 1 seed Kansas (in Feb by 15)

- two wins over top 25 TCU

- top 25 KSU

and they have no bad losses.

They do play ugly and their offense is pretty bad (103rd in kenpom) but their resume is undeniably a tournament resume.

They're also the 7th best B12 team out of 10, which says a lot about how good the conference is overall (and also that the worst team in the conference is borderline top 50).  It's not a super top heavy conference but what a grind game in and game out.

bronxblue

February 28th, 2023 at 10:12 PM ^

That UNC team game was in Portland, Oregon while UM's game was in Charlotte, NC.  I know we treat an neutral site games the same but there's a mountain difference between those two locations and the context of those games.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be in the tournament but they aren't playing like a "good" team now.  Yes the Big 12 is a grind but like I've said elsewhere we're getting into SEC-level circular logic with some of these rankings.  Every time one team wins they have a quality win and the losing team lost to a quality opponent so nobody gets hurt.  But it's highly unlikely that every team in the Big 12 is a top-50 team in the country, and ISU's OOC record is basically beating a middling UNC team and a middling Villanova squad.  

I guess my point is that the NCAA tournament should be focused on the top-68 teams now, not how a team looked 3 months ago.  The fact we've got teams like Texas Tech, who have no substantive OOC wins (seriously, they played the 331st-ranked OOC schedule per KenPom and lost to OSU and Creighton, the only 2 semi-competent teams they saw), and Okie St. (who beat Sam Houston St. and that's it) sniffing around the bubble because they went sub-.500 in the Big 12 is sorta silly to me.

Stringer Bell

March 1st, 2023 at 11:50 AM ^

It should focus on the season as a whole.  That’s how the postseason works at all levels.  The Lions were playing better than half the playoff teams by the end of the year, but guess what, you wanna make the playoffs don’t go 1-6 to start the season.  Ditto Michigan, you wanna make the tournament don’t blow all your competitive games and lose to an awful CMU team in the noncon.

bronxblue

February 28th, 2023 at 10:02 PM ^

I apparently upset the Soup fans on the site but yeah, I've watched a couple of ISU games and they just aren't that good offensively.  They're really good defensively and that helps them win some of these games but for some reason we don't seem to shit on really bad offensive teams like we do defensive teams.  But ISU's offense is bad and I don't think that's particularly conference-dependent.

KRK

February 28th, 2023 at 2:49 PM ^

Would it be better to not get the BTT bye, win a game against someone like Iowa, then lose.  Or get the bye, and lose?

This is assuming they go 1-1 in either scenario.

alum96

February 28th, 2023 at 2:58 PM ^

It would be nice if there was a view on improvement over the season from the committee.  UM was very very very young this year and the team in December is different than the February team.  Aside Hunter it's being led by multiple freshman and Kobe "Ja" Bufkin, a SO.  More experienced teams came game ready in Nov/Dec but hit their ceiling long ago.

M-Dog

February 28th, 2023 at 4:27 PM ^

Michigan is currently on the wrong side of the NCAA bubble, but with one win they could be the 2 seed in the Big Ten Tournament??

Wow, that's some alchemy there.