Wow. Impressed this post wasn't just a picture of a steaming pile of poo. That would have been my analysis at this point. Kudos to your dedication.
if you seek an image of the most Wisconsin OL ever, enter here
I may have reused these pictures. The numbers may be a give away.
Kugler and Braden may step in
One or two or three guys on the offensive line. At this instant your leaders on the offensive line are probably Magnuson-Bosch-Glasgow-Kalis mentioned above and Ben Braden at RT, but that is the shakiest depth chart in the history of the concept. Magnuson is the only certainty, as Michigan isn't going to trust anyone else to be their left tackle a year after Braden went from sure starter to ghost because he didn't have the foot quickness to hack it at guard. Glasgow is also pretty safe, as he didn't get pulled from the lineup last year and can play any of the three interior spots.
Everyone else is 50/50 at best with Michigan getting five guys off redshirts and having a few veterans also competing. Will Patrick Kugler be the man from day one at center? Will Chris Bryant get it together? Will David Dawson beat someone out whether it's at guard or right tackle, where I've heard they expect him to compete? The answers to these questions will start trickling in during spring and not have a full resolution until Michigan's first offensive snap… if then.
A dang running back who can run the dang ball, again. I'm lumping Michigan's four returning tailbacks into the "new" category for reasons both obvious and hopeful:
For the third straight year Michigan will be looking for anything that works on the ground other than Denard Robinson, and what Michigan can expect from its tailbacks is still in doubt.
"The single greatest catch I've ever seen in person" –Devin Gardner
African refugee wide receivers, again. Amara Darboh's debut was delayed by a foot injury suffered late in fall camp; this year he should debut as something between an uninspiring chain mover and Jason Avant (but fast)! Darboh had buckets of practice hype after a series of spectacular catches put him on everyone's lips in press conferences. He was clearly ahead of Chesson at the time and probably still is after Chesson had a decent but not paradigm-shifting debut.
And we can throw in Chesson here, too: he figures to absorb a lot of snaps not just from Gallon but Dileo, Jackson, and Reynolds. With Gallon's targets spreading across the offense he'll get a shot to be an impact player he didn't this year.
Dennis Norfleet, for pants' sake. I swear on this bible factory that if Michigan can't find a productive role for Dennis Norfleet in this offense I am going to break every rule in the factory of bibles I have just sworn upon. This does not mean bringing him in motion every time he's on the field. It means looking at him as a slot receiver instead of a tiny bouncy freak show, which okay yeah he is but seriously people just imagine what West Virginia would do with the guy and do it.
More TE-ish guys. Khalid Hill and Wyatt Shallman come off redshirts and should bring blocky/catchy/runny aspects to the guys on the field who aren't WRs or RBs, whatever you'd like to call them. With Butt and Williams aging and hopefully improving, Michigan might have some options here to do tricky things, particularly in the redzone. If any of them can block.
Gardner to Funchess. This was Gardner to Gallon last year. This year it is pretty obvious what replaces that: Devin Funchess blew up after his move to WR, taking end-arounds and leaping over people both before and after he acquired the ball. They even threw him a couple fades late in the year when it occurred to them that maybe that was a good idea.
Unfortunately, after a very strong start to his career in the catching department drops became an issue around the Michigan State game. The overall picture is still a guy with very good hands and a huge catching radius, though.
He's already the Big Ten's second-leading returning receiver, behind only Hoosier Cody Latimer, and Latimer plays in a light-speed offense that inflates basic counting stats. With a full season at WR and Gallon off to the NFL, a thousand-yard season is a certainty. The only question is at what point television accepts the fact that he's a wideout.
What happens if Gardner gets injured, at least relative to usual. Michigan seems to have itself a legit backup QB in Shane Morris for the first time in forever.
Passing weapons writ large. There is some projection in saying this, but it doesn't seem like Gallon's departure is going to leave Gardner bereft of options. He's got a #1 guy ready to step into that role and then you've got Darboh, Chesson, Butt, Norfleet, and possibly contributors from either the three-man 2013 class or Drake Harris/Moe Ways/Freddy Canteen in 2014. Five veterans plus six young options looks like a lot of options to me.
Pass protection. This was horrendous and doesn't figure to get a lot better with both tackles out the door. Magnuson still needs to add 15-20 pounds to hold up against bull rushes and the question mark at right tackle is highly ominous. Maybe I'm making too much of Braden's swift disappearance from the two deep in fall, but… man, to swiftly disappear from that two-deep would seem to bode unwell. If it's not Braden then it seems like Michigan is trying to shoehorn a guy who would be better at guard into the RT spot, whether it's Dan Samuelson or David Dawson or even Bosch. Add to that continuing uncertainty on the interior and it's easy to see Michigan QBs get harassed as much as they were this year.
The seeming certainty that there will be three (or more!) brutal clunkers from this unit. Three years in and Borges's crew has thrown up at least three horrendous games a year, every year, as whatever mad scientist stuff Borges throws at the wall backfires spectacularly when his team can't execute the new stuff and can't execute anything else because the offense is a chameleon from game to game with the exception of throwback screens.
How far they have to go and how much time they have to do it in. Discussed more in the next section, but it seems like the best case scenario next year is improvement by default that gives us little insight into what Michigan should do going forward. Regression to the mean should see Michigan uptick in many categories in which they set dubious records. Hooray, but if Michigan is 70th in TFLs allowed in year four that just puts us in an uncertain netherworld. Your options here:
It's hard to see anything definitively good happening next year.
The offensive line can't be worse, right? This is a repeat from last year, because the offensive line was worse and now the offensive line is losing two NFL tackles. This year… they literally cannot be worse. Michigan finished 123rd of 123 in tackles for loss allowed and turned Devin Gardner into hamburger. So we've got that going for us. The offensive line can't be worse, because they're already at the bottom.
Okay but can they be massively better? That is the real question here. Michigan has to be vastly better on the offensive line next year or it's firing time: for Funk definitely, for Borges definitely, and after (hypothetically) three straight years of non-Denard utter incompetence on the ground probably Hoke.
And… yikes. Frankly, writing this bit makes me think they should just throw everyone over right now because how can you go from that to average in one year while losing your two best guys? These kind of reclamation projects are two-year deals, usually, and that's if they get reclaimed at all.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD CAN ANYONE OTHER THAN DENARD ROBINSON PICK UP THREE FEET ON THE GROUND? This is also a repeat from last year, because the answer was NO FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NO. For perspective, Michigan rushed for 3.9 yards a carry in 2008, with Brandon Minor leading the way at 5.2 yards a pop. Last year, Michigan had 3.3. This rushing offense was tons worse than the 2008 outfit despite having some very threatening weapons on the outside. No offense to Nick Sheridan, Steven Threet, Greg Mathews or Martavious Odoms, but in terms of loosening up a defense… uh… does this sentence need to continue? Nope. It ended right there.
Michigan must have a function running back for the first time in three years or it's head-lopping time.
Can Gardner get his interceptions down to a reasonable rate? You'd think this would improve what with experience and not getting annihilated all the time, but 1) he might get annihilated all the time, and 2) we saw with Denard that sometimes guys just don't get better at taking care of the ball as they acquire experience. This is pretty much another do or die here for Borges: have one of your quarterback show major improvement or GTFO.
Oh hell, I don't know. Things should get better on the ground and the pass protection won't be great… could be just as bad. Gardner's experience and a lot of options in the passing game should result in something more tolerable than 2013. How much and how much impact that has on the wins and losses I just don't know anymore man.
Wow. Impressed this post wasn't just a picture of a steaming pile of poo. That would have been my analysis at this point. Kudos to your dedication.
Looking at this I thought oh man this offense can be really good! And then also thought oh crap, this offense could be really bad too.
Hopefully the line progresses because the offense could be really good.
To all of this. 2014 has become a do-or-die year in some respects, and it doesn't look good. The O-line is still laughably inexperienced, and the defense doesn't appear poised to pick-up the slack after the last two games of 2013.
We need Miracle Max to hook Brady up.
What is his deal? He was very hyped, and while I sat in my "expensive" seats at the BWW Bowl, the only thing that brought me any joy was marveling at the size of that dude.
I believe he was injured most of this year. That probably means he needs another season of practice before he'll contribute.
And (probably as a result) he came in at 338 pounds. He'll need some time.
Inexperienced line in 2014. If they do poorly, Borges/Funk may be (should be) fired and someone else will inherit an experienced line.
Not because it isn't do-or-die time, but because your scale is too small.
It looks like Hoke will be permitted to keep whomever he wants, and I'm fine with that. Because 2014 rests on him.
If the offense is this bad next year and the defense doesn't step up and win games, leaving us with a mediocre record, Funk is the least of the issues.
If Michigan flails next year Hoke is the one that needs to be fired. Probably the rest of the staff too, but that is secondary.
No more excuses. No more "learning." The guys on the OL are their guys and they need to win or DB needs to find someone else who will.
My point was the coach who gets the offense in 2015 will inherit an experienced line. Be it Borges/Funk or another combo. It has been shown on this site that upperclassmen-led offensive lines generally out performs those that are not.
FWIW, I think a disappointing season (8 regular season wins or less) puts Hoke squarely on the hot seat.
I think it's reasonable to conclude that Hoke is squarely on the hot seat right now, pending of course the results of next season.
There is a world of difference between Hoke being on our hot seat as fans and being on Brandon's hot seat. I do not think that Hoke is on a hot seat with Brandon. Our AD seems to believe that it is simply a matter of time, like Saban at LSU (as he said). So I think a couch fire of a season in 2014 (which, let's admit, is possible), will not cause Hoke to be fired but will put him on a hot seat with Brandon. In other words, Hoke is scot free until 2015. I sincerely hope Brandon is right with the "just needs time" argument, because our lives are going to be miserable if he is wrong. Does anyone want a coaching transition after 2014 or 15? We are stuck in the bad position of hoping that the data is simply misleading, despite knowing that it seldom is. MGoBummer.
I have heard that at least some in the AD consider 2014 a make or break year for Hoke.
Scary considering all the question marks hanging over our heads. I think hoke needs thru '15. However, if we still can't run the ball by next year....we need to clean house on at least the offensive side of the coaching staff.
I see your point.
FWIW I think 8 wins or less should get Hoke summarily fired unless there are severe mitigating circumstances.
What do you see as the maximum potential wins for this team? In other words, based on your statement, do you expect Hoke not to meet your 9-win threshold for next season?
Personally, I feel 10 wins is the max with the road games. I will also gladly take that. I also feel 7-6 is a possibility. The latter would be a large disappointment and would almost require Brandon fire Hoke.
And big surprise, a coach with a career .500 record will end up around .500.
Color me shocked.
that Michigan will win seven games based on the fairly weak opponents they will be beating. Should he beat one more team but lose to MSU and OSU and not be in the B1G division chase is that enough for Brandon to dismiss him? Very doubtful.
He will give him another year, save several million dollars and dismiss him should the 2015 season be a replete of the 2112-13-14 seasons. If however in 2015 Hoke has a season like 2011 then Brandon looks like a genius by demonstrating his perceptive patience.
Hoke could even finish 6-6 and he will still get a 5th season. Hoke is DB guy. For Borges and Funk to survive 2014, I think Hoke will have to win 9 games. Hoke will have to win 10 games and get a BCS bowl bid for a contract extension after 2015. I think it will be 50/50 chance that Hoke will be coaching in 2016. I often wonder if DB should just cut his losses now and hire us an exceptional coach even if it would cost $$. I just did not get a good vibe on player development this season, so I'm seriously doubting if the Hoke experiment will work out. So in 2016 the new coach is going to have to have a 5 year rebuilding plan
I often wonder if DB should just cut his losses now and hire us an exceptional coach even if it would cost $$.
Why do fans always assume that great coaches are out there, just waiting for the call?
All of the decent hires just signed extensions with the respective schools in light of the texas opening, with the exception of Dantonio which lol.
I agree. Whoever inherits the line or if Funk gets to continue coaching it they will have a lot of depth.
The problem is this staff might not know how to teach guys to play O-line effectively, no matter how talented or numerous they are.
I am very torn on this. I can totally understand saying bag it and restart the next year even if next year's offense isn't good.
But it seems like Hoke has been trying to rebuild the O line from nearly scratch. And I'd like to see him get another two years if only because one more year is likely to be shaky due to inexperience and the following year should have everyone in place.
Throwing the coaching staff over at the end of next year risks having a bunch of guys leave or bringing in a coach who can't use the guys Brady has recruited.
So I guess my default position would be: Next year we better see solid improvement. Fewer mistakes. Less getting run over. The interior line should be substantially improved. The tackles should be the new week points. If we don't see this, if we see the same mess, then Funk goes.
If we see the same mess and Borgess is still all over the place, then he and Funk go. Let Brady have that final year. If that final year isn't working, try to find a guy who is at least schematically similar to Brady to reduce the loss of recruits/bleeding of current players.
Heck... I want them gone right now... Borges has shown that he can't make adjustments and develop players... Funk for sure, I mean what in the heck was that showing on the line this past season?
I'm with you. His playcalling seems to be a set of hotkeys he sets after a play goes for 4+ yards the previous game with "QB DO SOMETHING" and "ISO INTO 8-MAN BOXES" permanently bound so he can always deploy those in the 4th quarter when he feels the need to.
There are some things that can be done in year one of a two-year reclamation project to make Borges / Funk more likely to keep their jobs, you'd think. The biggest one for me would be not having those three clunkers a year. That combined with defining a base running play and getting good at it should allow us to move up to (dare I say it?) maybe 100th in tackles for loss, at least, even if the offensive line is still a year away.
Our line next year:
Magnuson - Redshirt Sophomore
Kalis - Redshirt Sophomore
Glasgow - Redshirt Sophomore
Bosch - Sophomore
Braden - Redshirt Sophomore
This has to be the youngest line ever in Michigan history. Zero of them have won any accolades (Big Ten or All-American). This line has never played together. 2014 is going to be ugly.
Hard to imagine our line is actually getting younger, which doesn't exactly inspire confidence ....
He'll be an RS junior, but your point holds.
As scary as this is (and it is!), this is the best argument to divert blame from the coaches. I am no apologist and feel like I'm pretty much on the same page as everyone else with respect to the staff's job status, but Hoke & Co. have zero control over the lack of experience on this depth chart. Seniors next year would have been recruited long before their tenure began. All that being said, we have a line filled with 4-5 star talent that, I would think, should be coachable into a serviceable (at least) line.
The youth excuse pisses me off to no end. Sure, it can explain why were aren't as succesfful as 2012 Bama line but give me a fucking break. We were completely inept. I'm sure there are plenty of teams that dealt with youthful lines or dealt with injuries that had players much smaller and less athletic player that weren't a complete tire fire on offense.
When over half your running plays are met behind the line of scrimmage, its a lot more than just youth. just another in a long line of excuses. First it was Denard and spread team. Now its youthful line. I'm sure when nothing changes next year, it will be losing two NFL tackles. Then it will be Shane is in his first year starting. Then it will be, Speight is our savior and we just have to wait for him....
I am having a sad agreeing with everything in your post.
This is exactly how I feel. If this staff can't make a talented, young group of guys even remotely competent, why does anyone believe they can make a group of talented upperclassmen into a championship-caliber offense? We didn't look young on offense this year - we looked lost.
I've been arguing this all season, since Notre Dame. There're youthful mistakes, which is fine, and then there's the total embarrassing shitshow that we've wheeled out there all season. Akron, UConn, everyone else in college football managed to look vastly more competent than us.
And THIS is why I finally pulled the plug on my Michigan fandom before the start of the season (this is my first post since late August)...
I never had an legitimate reason to root for Michigan: I was born and grew up in Columbus, Ohio (I still live near Columbus) to an OSU grad father and I chose to root for Michigan just to be "different." When I was younger (I am currently 41 y/o), Michigan was a good program but that simply hasn't been the case for nearly a decade now.
All Michigan fans have experienced for the past 9 years is humiliation (losses to App State and Toledo, 3-9 season in 2008) or heartbreak (losing to OSU in 2006) with nary a B1G championship during that period to salve the wounds.
Before I decided to bail on UM in the offseason, I found myself constantly arguing with other UM fans online about the state of the Michigan football program. I don't believe (and never did) that Hoke was a Michigan caliber HC. I think he will hang on for another two "bleh" seasons and then get axed. I think OSU will continue to be the consistently dominant program in the conference and win the conference title about 2/3 of the time. I said all of these things before the season and was routinely crucified by my fellow UM fans.
I realize that the term "fair-weather fan" applies here, but I am not from Michigan and never attended UM. There are no rewards for being a "true fan." I just can't put up with the mediocrity that is UM football any longer. I want to ENJOY watching my team on Saturdays again as I have not for many long years. I did not root for any team this past season but I had made a vow to myself before the season that IF OSU went undefeated again in the regular season, I would bow to the inevitable and adopt OSU as my new team.
So...I am pulling a Justin Boren. I hope UM finds its way again and returns to a level of quality that you all are anticipating/hoping for. I look forward to great battles between OSU and Michigan but I will be cheering for the "other side" now.
Good Night, Good Bye and Good Luck, UM fans
to bad rubbish! Remember Benedict Arnold? Yea he ended up on the wrong side of history too.
I don't give a shit about your lack of association with the school. But I'm sorry, if you are considering making OSU your team under any circumstances, you've never been a UM fan.
As Brian noted, my guess is they hope Kugler (who'd be a RS Freshman) will take over at center. But we'll see. A nice thing is there should be some depth beyond those starters (again, mostly young, but perhaps Glasgow, Miller and/or Bryant will be able to contribute).
In any case, they still need to better. No one is expecting '90s Michigan or recent Wisconsin -- OLs that can grind a defense up and mash pretty much anyone. What we need for 2014 is well beneath those type of elite lines - just be a bit below the avg for all BCS programs, instead of one of literally the worst around. That would be a huge step up, and it's reasonable to expect with the amount of talent everyone says Hoke has brought in, and that will now be in their 3rd year in Hoke's/Funk's/Borges' system. Time for the coaches to earn their money and the players to start showing their recruiting stars were not misplaced.
The line that you have has 31 starts combined. Lewan had 48 starts and Schofield had 36. There will certainly be a lot of competition.
I won't be at all surprised to see Kugler force himself into the lineup at center. Molk started as a redshirt freshman and was pretty good already. Kugler is bigger than Molk and had access to technique coaching in high school that few guys do, what with his dad having been a NFL OL coach and all. Glasgow was better at guard than center I thought.
You have never seen Kugler play a down of football. Glasgow was our best interior lineman. I don't think you have enough evidence for your conclusion
Based on some quick research, M had 56 career starts entering 2013 on the line but 3 players that never started. (34 for Lewan and 23 for Schofield).
By my numbers (3x13 = 39 interior starts - 3 Miller and -2 Bryant) next year M will have 34 career starts - assuming Kalis, Bosch, Glasgow, and Mags are starters - but only 1 player with no starting experience. This isn't great; but it isn't doom and gloom barring a major injury.
That's definitely a young group in terms of eligibility, but every player except Bosch will be in his third or fourth year in the program (Glasgow will be a RS Jr), and Bosch saw game action this year. I don't think it's impossible for that group to be functional. If it isn't, I think you'd have to let Funk go.
You have 4 players that are Redshirt Sophomores. That means next year is their 3rd year in Hoke's System. If they can't get it by year 3 the problems go way beyond youth.
That is why we will only win 7 games again. And hope they are good enough to block the likes of Indiana and Minnesota at home? Even if Hoke finishes below .500, which is a real possibility, I think DB is going to give him a 5th year.
You were right on the money in your game column when you talked about how insanely complicated Borges made the blocking scheme this year. This staff HAS to learn from this moving forward, right? They simplified things in the last quarter of the season and it seemed to help,and I would think a full offseason of simplified blocking practice and not treating their o-line like it's a freaking baseball batting order (keep switching it up until you find something that works!) could go a long way to improving the consistency and efficiency of this offense. They have so many weapons, it is going to be such a damn shame if they can't make it happen next year.
Our offense actually looked competent when Dileo was being used. His lack of touches is yet another reason why Al Borges shouldn't be here.
Didn't Dileo have a concussion or something else?