and... i like them? I think I like them.
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|7 weeks 1 day ago||Miles maybe, but harbaugh is a risk||
While I agree thatcher athletic department is flailing, I don't know that harbaugh is " the best thing for the program". He's mercenary and divisive.
|7 weeks 6 days ago||One more thing: I wonder how||
One more thing: I wonder how the TV environment might affect some future fans.
I live up north and get to few games. Now, I listen to the games on the radio because I can't afford to go, especially with the family. I can't watch the games on TV because I don't have the B1G network. I was going to use ESPNgo for one game, but Charter was going to hit me with a $30 charge to watch the game.
Because of this I think that my 5 year old and 8 year old have maybe seen 8 or 9 Michigan games over the years on TV.
When I was a kid, Saturday had the B1G games on all over. I loved sitting down in college and watching all sorts of good football. Now more and more of it is relegated to exclusive networks. I'm not going to budget for the B1G Network because my budget is tight. So my kids are going to get exposed to alot less B1G football than I did. It might have an effect.
|7 weeks 6 days ago||good teams and opponents help. Organic traditions help too.||
I remember attending a Lions game in '91 with my Dad. They had the security there, and TV's scrolling a long list of $hit that would get you thrown out of the game. This usher, about my Dad's age, comes up and said something to my dad (I think he had his cigs out). My dad looked at the usher, looked at the TV, and said 'Wow! You have alot of rules for a team that hasn't won since '57!'
I think there is some of that here.
When I was there we had marshamallows (who can forget trying to pelt the camera guy), some great tailgates, and very easy access. I remember free water at most games in the early fall, to ease the hangovers. I remember concessions that weren't great, but weren't ridiculously over priced either.
But what I really remember is a hell of an off season most times. Oklahoma, IIRC one year. Houston when they were hot with the Run & Shoot. Florida State (Ow). Colorado. Yes, we had Rice and EMU, but not for the whole non conference gig.
Nowadays the team would likely lose a tough non conference schedule, but I don't think that would hurt so much. It would at least send a message 'We are going to keep trying to play with the big boys. We are prepping our young talent." And even if a team isn't good you can still build a fanbase. IIRC when Canham was building things UM wasn't always perfect on the field. Similarly some bad teams have very loyal fans. I was stunned at how crazy KC Chief fans were when I went there, no matter that the team wasn't all that good at the time.
Relax the rules. Plant a Hot Dog Guy if you have to to act as a spark. It wouldn't cost the U much. Bring Wifi to the stadium, or a cell repeater. Have students tweet pics for display on the jumbotron. Let a student group pick the bumper music each game, and have them compete for the right. Maybe set up some grills inside the fence for a student tailgate area if they can get there soon enough.
Basically, make enough room in the rules that the students can make it a fun event. For the rest of the fans make it like football Disney. Make them the focus and make them feel welcome.
Oh. And MORE NIGHT GAMES. This isn't 1955!!
|12 weeks 4 days ago||Dumb question.||
Both with Hoke and RR there seemed to be gaps in the roster, that it was assumed would be filled by astute recruiting.
|12 weeks 5 days ago||Wow.||
Hope you're kidding and totally disagree. I was a Lions season ticket holder when he played. (I was in college at the time too, so it made for fantastic football weekends. Wheatley on Saturday, Barry and Spielman on Sunday).
Spielman is one of my favorite football players ever. He's an example of how I think all football players should be. I love UM and hope they kick OSU in the teeth any time, but that doesn't extend to hoping their players get hurt.
Spielman is a class guy. He was a great player with the Lions. He was always polite and kind to the fans when I went to the fall camps. And the way he treated his wife when she was sick was, IMHO, a great example. He's a great player and an honorable man. He isn't a Michigan fan. I can get over that.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||What is obsolete?||
MSU is killing people with a a simpler "old fashioned" offense and a murderous defense. I don't see them going away any time soon. Nor would I be shocked to see them wreck Oregon next year. And they seem to be the banner boys for offensive modernity.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||yes!!!||
I really, desperately want a D the caliber of what MSU has now. I don't know if its in the cards, or if Mattison is more of a finesse guy. But building a quality D system has MSU where they are now. Which ticks me off and makes me jealous.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||That was my thought.||
I am very torn on this. I can totally understand saying bag it and restart the next year even if next year's offense isn't good.
But it seems like Hoke has been trying to rebuild the O line from nearly scratch. And I'd like to see him get another two years if only because one more year is likely to be shaky due to inexperience and the following year should have everyone in place.
Throwing the coaching staff over at the end of next year risks having a bunch of guys leave or bringing in a coach who can't use the guys Brady has recruited.
So I guess my default position would be: Next year we better see solid improvement. Fewer mistakes. Less getting run over. The interior line should be substantially improved. The tackles should be the new week points. If we don't see this, if we see the same mess, then Funk goes.
If we see the same mess and Borgess is still all over the place, then he and Funk go. Let Brady have that final year. If that final year isn't working, try to find a guy who is at least schematically similar to Brady to reduce the loss of recruits/bleeding of current players.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||Well aren't you absolutely correct||
After re-reading my post, I realize you are correct. I was in a snit up early on a new years morning, and I didn't read it correctly.
I apologize to all I may have offended.
|15 weeks 9 hours ago||*this*||
is the new #1 about what scares me about the future.
My #2 is player development.
I could give a damn about scheme.
But one of Hoke's biggest attributes was winning the guys over and forging a team. He was brilliant, IMHO, that first year.
But if he's losing that, if he's lost this team, its just done.
|15 weeks 9 hours ago||Space Coyote always brings me back down to earth||
"The point was that Stanford didn't just sit there and simply out-recruit everyone else and that's the reason their offense was successful."
with some good, reasoned posts.
|15 weeks 9 hours ago||No fun? Really?||
"Maybe the reason I hold onto Denard so hard is because he's about 90% of the fun that Michigan football has provided since Bo died."
When I was there ('91-'96) I don't know.
Beating OSU was kind of fun. B1G titles were mildly entertaining.
1997 was livable I suppose. It didn't suck at least.
Carr beating MSU like a drum was 'do-able'. I didn't choke into my beer.
I hate this. Hate hate hate hate hate this reasoning. Its indicative of a 'Can't be satisfied fan base' attitude that drives me crazy.
I had a family member who would just rail on Carr as being 'not up to Michigan standards' and not making use of his talent. He wanted a 'modern' coach. I remember warning him that coaching changes, especially with scheme changes, are *really* hard, and that UM wasn't one game from the MNT. Ooops.
Its fine to be disappointed with this team right now. Its correct to be very concerned about our future.
But to say that the era from Bo's retirement to now wasn't 'fun' is ludicrous to me. I realize its subjective, but its like a friend of mine complaining that San Francisco was getting ruined by all the new money in the .com era. 'Yup. Those of us in Detroit feel for you. I'm sorry you aren't happy'.
And why? Because we weren't running the 'right' offense? Because you didn't agree with the calls? Seriously? Really?
Would you not be happy with a night in Vegas with a huge bankroll because you weren't in Monaco?
If the standard of success here is not just winning, but competing for the MNT all the time, and doing it with the 'correct' scheme and calls, then almost no coach could win here. Ever.
|15 weeks 3 days ago||Totally agree with this:||
"Horrible, horrible stuff. With a month of practice, no discernible improvement anywhere. That's the scariest thing. "
|15 weeks 3 days ago||Yeah!||
And then Hoke would shoot Borgess! And kick the dead body to pulp! And jump on it after setting it on fire and killing himself in a glorious display of self immolation!!!!!! Then we'd know that Hoke cared!!!!!
|16 weeks 6 days ago||I will admit I don't know much||
About the story.
|17 weeks 4 hours ago||Totally agree||
The maddening thing about MSU to me is that they've done this so well. Kudos to them. But what I'm afraid of, way more than playcalling or scheme, is that this is a skillset our staff hasn't demonstrated yet
|17 weeks 5 hours ago||I honestly can't even imagine||
the amount of attention, pressure, and cajoling that these kids get. I got a ton being just a college student. 'You should think about going to X if you want to pursue Y....'
Nowadays, with all the social media, it has to be nuts.
I really hope that he recommits. I really hope Brady and company can convince him to come back.
That said, I wish him well wherever he goes, and hope he has some peace in the process. While I love following recruiting, so I guess I'm part of the problem, I wish more of this could take place behind the scenes.
|17 weeks 18 hours ago||Ugh||
You had to mention the Colorado game...
|17 weeks 1 day ago||I hope DG||
Can play. I'd rather see him out there than Shane. I like Shane, I think he can do well. But I think it's too early. I wish they hadn't burned his redshirt because if he develops it would be great to have him a fifth year.
The only way I don't want to see DG play is if docs or trainors determine it would be a threat to his career.
|17 weeks 1 day ago||If the offense is more successful||
How is it regressing?
|18 weeks 2 days ago||Whenever I have my doubts about Hoke||
Something like this:
"The commits for Michigan are notorious for being close before they even arrive on campus. Has that started for you yet?"
I realize that this was from the interviewer, but it reminds me of the things that I really really like about him. Despite the issues with development, and the tough tough year, his teams always seem extremely cohesive, even prior to showing up on campus. And they, to my eyes, never seem to collapse.
I'm really hoping he can fix the other issues, because team unity like that could really act like a force multiplier.
|18 weeks 3 days ago||Well said||
I also think that it highlights the need to let a coach okay out. Would RR Have worked out? I personally don't think so. But we will never know.
|18 weeks 3 days ago||I respectfully disagree||
We are a ways away. But not light years. Let the kids develop.
|18 weeks 3 days ago||And||
It will be better for having defeated a really good opponent.
|18 weeks 3 days ago||Amen||
You don't always win. That's the true test to know you have to come back and work hares and smarter.
|18 weeks 3 days ago||Lol||
That kind of makes me hate them more. :-)
|18 weeks 3 days ago||God Help Me||
But MSU is exactly the type of team I'd like Michigan to be. Fast, very physical D and physical, ball control O. We'll see what happens.
|19 weeks 1 day ago||Where||
Did Heiko go? I too enjoyed his questions
|19 weeks 1 day ago||I don't buy||
The "hamstrung by history" meme. Yes, they do want to run the ball, but many other successful teams do too. I have no problem with that. It's worked well for Wisconsin for years without as big of a recruiting stretch.
|19 weeks 4 days ago||Horse hockey||
They played a team that should have destroyed them, and for one day, warts and all, out it all out there and played to the best of their ability. The