Fall Roster Overanalysis 2014!
The phonebooks are here, ladies and gentlemen, and you know what that means.
TO THE SPREADSHEET!
QUARTERBACK |
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Player | 2011 | 2012 | Fall 2013 | Spring 2014 | Fall 2014 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | 13 to 14 | |||||||||||
Devin Gardner | 205 | 206 | 210 | 218 | 216 | 1 | 4 | 6 | |||||||||||
Russell Bellomy | 189 | 201 | 215 | 210 | 206 | 12 | 14 | -9 | |||||||||||
Shane Morris | 202 | 202 | 204 | 2 | |||||||||||||||
Wilton Speight | 230 | 234 | N/A | ||||||||||||||||
RUNNING BACK |
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Player | 2011 | 2012 | Fall 2013 | Spring 2014 | Fall 2014 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | 13 to 14 | |||||||||||
Justice Hayes | 176 | 183 | 192 | 190 | 194 | 7 | 9 | 2 | |||||||||||
Drake Johnson | 203 | 213 | 212 | 211 | 10 | -2 | |||||||||||||
Sione Houma | 221 | 231 | 240 | 242 | 10 | 11 | |||||||||||||
Joe Kerridge | 238 | 247 | 244 | 6 | |||||||||||||||
De'Veon Smith | 224 | 223 | 220 | -4 | |||||||||||||||
Derrick Green | 240 | 227 | 220 | -20 | |||||||||||||||
Ty Isaac | 225 | N/A | |||||||||||||||||
Wyatt Shallman | 237 | 243 | 239 | 2 | |||||||||||||||
Ross Douglas | 176 | 186 | 189 | 13 | |||||||||||||||
WIDE RECEIVER |
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Player | 2011 | 2012 | Fall 2013 | Spring 2014 | Fall 2014 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | 13 to 14 | |||||||||||
Devin Funchess | 225 | 235 | 230 | 230 | 10 | -5 | |||||||||||||
Amara Darboh | 218 | 212 | 214 | 211 | -6 | -1 | |||||||||||||
Jehu Chesson | 183 | 196 | 195 | 197 | 13 | 1 | |||||||||||||
Dennis Norfleet | 170 | 169 | 167 | 169 | -1 | 0 | |||||||||||||
Jaron Dukes | 190 | 200 | 197 | 7 | |||||||||||||||
Csont'e York | 180 | 194 | 191 | 11 | |||||||||||||||
Da'Mario Jones | 192 | 198 | 196 | 4 | |||||||||||||||
Freddy Canteen | 170 | 176 | N/A | ||||||||||||||||
Drake Harris | 180 | 176 | N/A | ||||||||||||||||
Mo Ways | 195 | N/A | |||||||||||||||||
TIGHT END |
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Player | 2011 | 2012 | Fall 2013 | Spring 2014 | Fall 2014 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | 13 to 14 | |||||||||||
Keith Heitzman | 251 | 254 | 280 | 271 | 258 | 3 | 26 | -22 | |||||||||||
AJ Williams | 282 | 265 | 263 | 260 | -17 | -5 | |||||||||||||
Jake Butt | 237 | 250 | 249 | 12 | |||||||||||||||
Khalid Hill | 258 | 255 | 252 | -6 | |||||||||||||||
Ian Bunting | 227 | N/A | |||||||||||||||||
OFFENSIVE LINE |
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Player | 2011 | 2012 | Fall 2013 | Spring 2014 | Fall 2014 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | 13 to 14 | |||||||||||
Jack Miller | 263 | 287 | 290 | 297 | 299 | 24 | 3 | 9 | |||||||||||
Blake Bars | 282 | 291 | 290 | 294 | 9 | 3 | |||||||||||||
Ben Braden | 299 | 318 | 319 | 322 | 19 | 4 | |||||||||||||
Kyle Kalis | 292 | 302 | 304 | 298 | 10 | -4 | |||||||||||||
Erik Magnuson | 290 | 285 | 295 | 294 | -5 | 9 | |||||||||||||
Kyle Bosch | 302 | 301 | 303 | 1 | |||||||||||||||
Logan Tuley-Tillman | 300 | 290 | 290 | -10 | |||||||||||||||
David Dawson | 297 | 295 | 296 | -1 | |||||||||||||||
Graham Glasgow | 303 | 308 | 311 | 8 | |||||||||||||||
Dan Samuelson | 283 | 282 | 292 | 9 | |||||||||||||||
Patrick Kugler | 287 | 295 | 299 | 12 | |||||||||||||||
Chris Fox | 338 | 310 | 309 | -29 | |||||||||||||||
Mason Cole | 275 | 292 | N/A | ||||||||||||||||
Juwann Bushell-Beatty | 319 | N/A | |||||||||||||||||
DEFENSIVE LINE |
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Player | 2011 | 2012 | Fall 2013 | Spring 2014 | Fall 2014 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | 13 to 14 | |||||||||||
Frank Clark | 228 | 260 | 277 | 270 | 277 | 32 | 17 | 0 | |||||||||||
Brennen Beyer | 225 | 252 | 250 | 256 | 256 | 27 | -2 | 6 | |||||||||||
Matt Godin | 270 | 280 | 283 | 286 | 10 | 6 | |||||||||||||
Willie Henry | 302 | 306 | 297 | 293 | 4 | -13 | |||||||||||||
Ondre Pipkins | 337 | 315 | 313 | 306 | -22 | -9 | |||||||||||||
Tom Strobel | 250 | 265 | 268 | 268 | 15 | 3 | |||||||||||||
Chris Wormley | 268 | 289 | 292 | 295 | 21 | 6 | |||||||||||||
Mario Ojemudia | 223 | 250 | 250 | 251 | 27 | 1 | |||||||||||||
Taco Charlton | 270 | 275 | 275 | 5 | |||||||||||||||
Maurice Hurst | 270 | 277 | 282 | 12 | |||||||||||||||
Henry Poggi | 260 | 271 | 270 | 10 | |||||||||||||||
Bryan Mone | 315 | 312 | N/A | ||||||||||||||||
Brady Pallante | 263 | N/A | |||||||||||||||||
Lawrence Marshall | 241 | N/A | |||||||||||||||||
LINEBACKER |
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Player | 2011 | 2012 | Fall 2013 | Spring 2014 | Fall 2014 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | 13 to 14 | |||||||||||
Jake Ryan | 230 | 242 | 240 | 235 | 236 | 12 | -2 | -4 | |||||||||||
Desmond Morgan | 220 | 230 | 228 | 232 | 232 | 10 | -2 | 4 | |||||||||||
Allen Gant | 196 | 212 | 222 | 223 | 16 | 11 | |||||||||||||
Royce Jenkins-Stone | 206 | 225 | 221 | 234 | 19 | 9 | |||||||||||||
James Ross | 225 | 220 | 225 | 227 | -5 | 7 | |||||||||||||
Joe Bolden | 230 | 225 | 225 | 231 | -5 | 6 | |||||||||||||
Ben Gedeon | 236 | 236 | 240 | 4 | |||||||||||||||
Mike McCray | 237 | 242 | 241 | 4 | |||||||||||||||
Michael Ferns | 233 | 239 | N/A | ||||||||||||||||
Noah Furbush | 210 | N/A | |||||||||||||||||
Chase Winovich | 220 | N/A | |||||||||||||||||
Jared Wangler | 219 | N/A | |||||||||||||||||
CORNERBACK |
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Player | 2011 | 2012 | Fall 2013 | Spring 2014 | Fall 2014 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | 13 to 14 | |||||||||||
Raymon Taylor | 169 | 183 | 183 | 182 | 184 | 14 | 0 | 1 | |||||||||||
Delonte Hollowell | 164 | 177 | 180 | 175 | 178 | 13 | 3 | -2 | |||||||||||
Blake Countess | 176 | 182 | 182 | 183 | 180 | 6 | 0 | -2 | |||||||||||
Terry Richardson | 154 | 167 | 172 | 170 | 13 | 3 | |||||||||||||
Jourdan Lewis | 170 | 174 | 175 | 5 | |||||||||||||||
Channing Stribling | 171 | 176 | 178 | 7 | |||||||||||||||
Reon Dawson | 170 | 178 | 178 | 8 | |||||||||||||||
Brandon Watson | 185 | 188 | N/A | ||||||||||||||||
Jabrill Peppers | 202 | N/A | |||||||||||||||||
SAFETY |
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Player | 2011 | 2012 | Fall 2013 | Spring 2014 | Fall 2014 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | 13 to 14 | |||||||||||
Jarrod Wilson | 190 | 200 | 202 | 205 | 10 | 5 | |||||||||||||
Jeremy Clark | 191 | 205 | 206 | 205 | 14 | 0 | |||||||||||||
Dymonte Thomas | 190 | 191 | 193 | 0 | 3 | ||||||||||||||
Delano Hill | 205 | 205 | 205 | 0 |
ITEMS OF INTEREST
Peppers is big and stuff. He's over 200 while no other corner cracks 185; he is essentially the size of Michigan's safeties. Which might be good because he might be a safety. Also of note: the other freshman corner is also larger than all other corners.
Derrick Green continues being serious. Down a full 20 pounds from last year's 240.
Yo-yo-ing is bad for your health, Keith. Or whatever. But he put on all that weight to play DE/DT and now Michigan is all like SYKE.
Jenkins-Stone now plausible. A worrying drop to 221 in spring was followed by a rebound and now he's pretty decent size for a WLB. Or SAM in the over. You know what I mean.
I thought you were supposed to be huge? I listed Furbush at 240 in his recruiting profile and thought that was a bit conservative since many recruiting evaluations started with "as big or bigger than his listed size." Instead he checks in at 210. Typo? Malaria? Weird optical illusion wherein everyone sees a much larger person than is actually there? I mean, dude is not ten pounds lighter than Jared Wangler, right? I'm confused? I keep asking questions?
More generally. There really seems to be no reason to play any of the freshman LBs other than Ferns. You've got a three deep and they're 220. Redshirts for all.
Funchess 2.0? I see Bunting listed at 6'7", 227 and see visions of busted blocks and eventual resignation to the fact that you've got a 6'7" WR with skillet hands. For a given definition of "resignation."
Hello redshirt. Drake Harris was already dinged up and now he's dropped weight. He's now the same weight as Canteen and listed at three inches taller.
DL increments. Not a ton of huge swings there but Henry did drop 13 pounds, hopefully so he can stay on the field longer without tiring out and seeing his technique fall apart. Hurst is still a bit short of ideal at 282. Wish Beyer could have added more than six pounds from last year; must be physically tapped out. Ditto Ojemudia. Seems like he's just about done expanding.
Cole expanding. Mason Cole going from 275 to 292 means breaking the glass on his redshirt is only 90% of a Total Panic Experience instead of 100%. The rest of the OL seems to be converging on 300 pounds from various directions with the exception of Ben Braden, who is just enormous.
Big enough. I think it's 50/50 Glasgow starts at tackle. Both Kugler and Miller are 299, which is large enough, and he looked good there in spring.
When does the MGoUser weight chart come out? That will be gold, Jerry...gold!
I tipped the scales at a not good 263 a few years ago. Now I am down to 218 and hoping to lose more.
Not sure if serious but if so, kudos.
My analysis:
Derrick Green is going to be so fast at 220. The OL is finally going to be super strong with the general weight gains. With only one DL at 300+ that is not a freshman, I can confidently say UM will have the fastest, most athletic DL in the league. Same concept with the DBs, they're going to be super quick with those weights; will be hard to beat them with all that quickness.
As long as the UM dline doesn't look like a JV unit when compared to OSU's, I don't care how fast or athletic they are.
Fastest, most athletic DL in the league? You are aware of ohio state's?
Methinks your sarcasm meter is broken. Being (jokingly) overly optimistic is protocol around these parts upon release of fall charts.
They got like 4 guys listed on the DL at 300+. OSU is full of fattymagoos who have to waddle around he field. Duh.
I know this sounds crazy but how cool would it be to have Strib at 6-3 playing corner with Jpeppers (jacked weighing in @ over 200#..... with track speed to boot)...throw in a little countess and the rest of our depth....
Mmmmm-hmmmm. Tommy likey.
but for now we have two pretty damn good CBs in Countess and Taylor.
Just excited about our talent pool.
Pipkins, despite the injury last year, continues to lose weight.
I think that's one of the most important takeaways here. We were all concerned that he would put on a lot of weight as a result of the injury, but he lost weight. Good sign for his fitness and ability to contribute come the first game.
You forgot the base rule of weight overanalysis: all weight gain is good. Lighter means freak athleticism, heavier means BEAST mode.
^This so much.
Hard to read much into weights... But I'm excited about Green. Both because the new weight will almost certainly be a better quickness/power mix for him, and because the change suggests a work ethic that will produce improvement in other areas of his game.
So it's fair to say all those who last year said Green at 240 was no big deal and he will be a battering ram will now come back and say oops, I was wrong? I'll hang up and get negged from here ;) (was not directed to you - a general comment about how everyone was explaining away the weight gain last year)
I was a bit concerned about it, but I think a lot of people were in "wait-and-see" mode more than "he's sure to be great" mode.
In fairness, he didn't have a great breakout year, but he also had absolutely nowhere to run. For all we know he would have looked like Jerome Bettis against a good OL; he also might have hit the holes late and fallen over easily. We'll see if the line can open holes for him this year.
By the way, your parenthetical caveat was well-placed and an excellent demonstration of politeness. I appreciate it.
The safeties either really, really bulked up from last year, or you're subtracting off the wrong numbers.
I think you missed most of the data in the 2011 column, particulary on the OL.
The offensive line will most likely average over 300lbs no matter what... so I guess that looks nice. Hopefully they can put it all together this year. All we need is average O-Line play this year.
... is too skinny now. He needs to bulk up.
No he does not need to bulk up 220 is plenty of big to run through tackles. He looked slow last year and this year I want to see a little more explosion in his running game.
It's a joke! And it just went right over your head!
that once he bulks up he'll be too big and will need to lose some weight, you know?
ALL WEIGHT CHANGE IS GOOD
I'm very excited to see Ben Gedeon this year. 6'3", 240 lbs. while also being one of the more athletic LB's on the team, I think he will be a starter by Big Ten play. Too bad Beyer wasn't able to pack on more weight. Seems pretty light to be a SDE.
Edit: Also Ryan Glasgow is up to 296 now. That gives UM at least 5 able bodies (Pipkins, Henry, Mone, Wormley, and Glasgow) at DT/NT that are in the 295-310 range. Good to see some beef in the middle of the DL.
I love the looks of McCrays size right around the same too. I'm really excited for those two moving forward
what Braden will do at RT and 322-ish. I am always awed by how massive he is; I know he has a mean streak and will to battle; and I believe he will demonstrate what a great RT he can be this fall. I also thought he might eventually move to LT, but who knows. Braden seems like a bit of a sleeper in some ways. He has impressed alot of observers, but there is not alot of discussion about him.
at Safety, Wilson's and Clark's listed 13-to-14 gains are actuall their 12-to-S14 gains.
I'm curious as to why we don't have more guys on the lines over 300 when we're not a spread team. Alabama has 15 guys over 300 pounds, and while I know they play a 3-4, we also have a nose tackle position. It just seems like guys like Kalis and Dawson should be headed in the opposite direction.
I don't know if all of our guys are working hard enough to get bigger. Surely they are being pushed in the gym, but that is only the half of it. I am wondering if the nutritionist at Michigan are not hounding players to eat more to become bigger. I know for a fact that these lineman need 6000+ calories to grow with all the training they go through and I think many of them don't eat enough. I was disappointed to see that Brennen and Mario didn't get past the 265 mark this year let alone the 260 one. There need to be a more attention paid to the growth of some these guys.
You can get him there, but it won't be optimal for him. Players max out with where they can continue to grow and maintain athletic ability, my feeling is that neither Beyer or Mario should be above 265, Mario, IMO, isn't even close to someone that should get to that size (245-255 is likely optimal for him).
The reason why you want many of your players to come in a little chubby up to this point in the season is because it takes so long to put quality size on people. In Green's case last year he came in at 240 lbs. I don't see that as a problem as long as he can control his diet. Which was the problem I heard he had last season. The best thing is to come into the fall a little big and with a great diet you can trim fifteen to twenty pounds off in a month. While to put fifteen to twenty pounds of size on it could take the whole year to do. So lets say if Beyer got up to 265 and we found out he doesn't play well that big, then he can drop the weight in a matter of weeks and end up where he is now. But if he wanted to get bigger that would be nearly impossible in a months time. That's why I would rather see weight gain in most of my players than weight loss, but that is just my opinion.
As you say, it takes a while to put on good weight without also adding a lot of bad weight. But it also takes time to lose a lot of bad weight without losing good weight.
In other words: a guy who slowly gets to a lean 250 lbs is probably going to be a lot stronger than the same guy who gets to a fluffier 275 and then drops down to 250 in a month.
it's not always beneficial to keep forcing food into a player for the sake of putting on weight. That's the logic that got Derrick Green up to 245 and we all saw how well that worked.
when Green put on the extra weight, the OLine just stopped blocking for him.
Joking aside, I like the effort there and I think 220's is great for him. He was already quick enough for a power back, but I can't wait to see the extra burst.
Needed to improve how well they move, not their functional strength. They are still now in the process of reshaping their bodies in a way that helps them maximize their strength and how they move. I don't think the direction of their weight or the weight they're at now is a big issue.
I think eventually, Bars, Braden, Kalis, Mags, Bosch, LTT, Dawson, Glasgow, Kugler, Fox, and JBB will all get above 300, but you have to put weight on the right way to be affective. They aren't asking them to be 270-290 spread stretch OL. They are in teh 290s to 300s and working their way appropriately to optimal weight. WIth the switch in scheme, there is probably at least a little bit of change how they want to build their bodies, so you see a bit of a slide in that regard as well (different movements, techniques, styles for mostly zone blocking compared to man blocking).
FWIW, Alabama's OL averages 308 lbs (I'm just going to take out the FR that came 385), Michigan is 301 lbs.
Thanks for the explanation, what you're saying does make sense.
And I did notice the 385 pound guy. Holy crap, there is a lot of sprinting in that young man's future.
sprinting??...Yeah...Good one
(It's 308 if you count the walk-ons.)
It's fair to say U-M is a tad on the light side. Bama is 10 pounds bigger per man despite not counting their biggest guy. OSU is 305.5.
at Center? he can do it all I guess.
Little disappointing he hasn't been able to bulk up at least over the 190 mark. That's what an inury will do to you. I was expecting him to make an impact immediately when he first committed.
It definitely looks like a WR core of: Funchess, Darboh, Chesson, Canteen, and [throw in completely unproven name here as well] will have to get us through 2014.
Our offense should have the talent to be truly elite in 2015. I expect our defense to be at the top of the B1G this year. Too much experience not to be one of the best.
We didnt hear much about it...but alot have pointed to an interview that Speight gave where he said Drake Harris had mono in the spring so that probably had as much of impact as the hamstring.
Here is relevant part of the interview:
“Drake is my roommate and is a great guy. Unforunately, he hurt his
hammy and also got Mono so he missed some time. Freddy is a freak and
is going to shock everyone. We called him Freddy ‘Footwork’ because
his feet are so fast. He loves to work, we worked out a lot after
spring practice and he’s just an unreal talent.”
http://steveclarkson.tumblr.com/post/90368106038/one-on-one-with-wilton…
Bellomy down 9 pounds? I know he was traumatized from the Nebraska game, but someone should really make sure he's eating.
Otherwise, pretty uneventful. Freshmen (outside of Peppers) are all pretty small and should redshirt, which means we'll see 2-3 waste redshirts against App St. or something and get a couple of mop-up spots here and there. But otherwise, looks like the type of weight sheet you'd expect from a team that is maturing at a normal rate.
Typos for Wilson & Clark 13 to 14...
Are these official weights? I thought we would know this type of stuff until they reported to fall camp?
Mindblowing. I have an easier time grasping Graham's number.
My Bad didnt read title thread lol
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