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roster overanalysis

Fall Roster Overanalysis 2014! Comment Count

Brian

The phonebooks are here, ladies and gentlemen, and you know what that means.

TO THE SPREADSHEET!

QUARTERBACK
Player 2011 2012 Fall 2013 Spring 2014 Fall 2014 11 to 12 12 to 13 13 to 14
Devin Gardner 205 206 210 218 216 1 4 6
Russell Bellomy 189 201 215 210 206 12 14 -9
Shane Morris     202 202 204     2
Wilton Speight       230 234     N/A

RUNNING BACK
Player 2011 2012 Fall 2013 Spring 2014 Fall 2014 11 to 12 12 to 13 13 to 14
Justice Hayes 176 183 192 190 194 7 9 2
Drake Johnson   203 213 212 211   10 -2
Sione Houma   221 231 240 242   10 11
Joe Kerridge     238 247 244     6
De'Veon Smith     224 223 220     -4
Derrick Green     240 227 220     -20
Ty Isaac         225     N/A
Wyatt Shallman     237 243 239     2
Ross Douglas     176 186 189     13

WIDE RECEIVER
Player 2011 2012 Fall 2013 Spring 2014 Fall 2014 11 to 12 12 to 13 13 to 14
Devin Funchess   225 235 230 230   10 -5
Amara Darboh   218 212 214 211   -6 -1
Jehu Chesson   183 196 195 197   13 1
Dennis Norfleet   170 169 167 169   -1 0
Jaron Dukes     190 200 197     7
Csont'e York     180 194 191     11
Da'Mario Jones     192 198 196     4
Freddy Canteen       170 176     N/A
Drake Harris       180 176     N/A
Mo Ways         195     N/A

TIGHT END
Player 2011 2012 Fall 2013 Spring 2014 Fall 2014 11 to 12 12 to 13 13 to 14
Keith Heitzman 251 254 280 271 258 3 26 -22
AJ Williams   282 265 263 260   -17 -5
Jake Butt     237 250 249   12
Khalid Hill     258 255 252     -6
Ian Bunting         227     N/A

OFFENSIVE LINE
Player 2011 2012 Fall 2013 Spring 2014 Fall 2014 11 to 12 12 to 13 13 to 14
Jack Miller 263 287 290 297 299 24 3 9
Blake Bars   282 291 290 294   9 3
Ben Braden   299 318 319 322   19 4
Kyle Kalis   292 302 304 298   10 -4
Erik Magnuson   290 285 295 294   -5 9
Kyle Bosch     302 301 303     1
Logan Tuley-Tillman     300 290 290     -10
David Dawson     297 295 296     -1
Graham Glasgow     303 308 311     8
Dan Samuelson     283 282 292     9
Patrick Kugler     287 295 299     12
Chris Fox     338 310 309     -29
Mason Cole       275 292     N/A
Juwann Bushell-Beatty         319     N/A

DEFENSIVE LINE
Player 2011 2012 Fall 2013 Spring 2014 Fall 2014 11 to 12 12 to 13 13 to 14
Frank Clark 228 260 277 270 277 32 17 0
Brennen Beyer 225 252 250 256 256 27 -2 6
Matt Godin   270 280 283 286   10 6
Willie Henry   302 306 297 293   4 -13
Ondre Pipkins   337 315 313 306   -22 -9
Tom Strobel   250 265 268 268   15 3
Chris Wormley   268 289 292 295   21 6
Mario Ojemudia   223 250 250 251   27 1
Taco Charlton     270 275 275     5
Maurice Hurst     270 277 282     12
Henry Poggi     260 271 270     10
Bryan Mone       315 312     N/A
Brady Pallante         263     N/A
Lawrence Marshall         241     N/A

LINEBACKER
Player 2011 2012 Fall 2013 Spring 2014 Fall 2014 11 to 12 12 to 13 13 to 14
Jake Ryan 230 242 240 235 236 12 -2 -4
Desmond Morgan 220 230 228 232 232 10 -2 4
Allen Gant   196 212 222 223   16 11
Royce Jenkins-Stone   206 225 221 234   19 9
James Ross   225 220 225 227   -5 7
Joe Bolden   230 225 225 231   -5 6
Ben Gedeon     236 236 240     4
Mike McCray     237 242 241     4
Michael Ferns       233 239     N/A
Noah Furbush         210     N/A
Chase Winovich         220     N/A
Jared Wangler         219     N/A

CORNERBACK
Player 2011 2012 Fall 2013 Spring 2014 Fall 2014 11 to 12 12 to 13 13 to 14
Raymon Taylor 169 183 183 182 184 14 0 1
Delonte Hollowell 164 177 180 175 178 13 3 -2
Blake Countess 176 182 182 183 180 6 0 -2
Terry Richardson   154 167 172 170   13 3
Jourdan Lewis     170 174 175     5
Channing Stribling     171 176 178     7
Reon Dawson     170 178 178     8
Brandon Watson       185 188     N/A
Jabrill Peppers         202     N/A

SAFETY
Player 2011 2012 Fall 2013 Spring 2014 Fall 2014 11 to 12 12 to 13 13 to 14
Jarrod Wilson   190 200 202 205   10 5
Jeremy Clark   191 205 206 205   14 0
Dymonte Thomas     190 191 193   0 3
Delano Hill     205 205 205     0

ITEMS OF INTEREST

Peppers is big and stuff. He's over 200 while no other corner cracks 185; he is essentially the size of Michigan's safeties. Which might be good because he might be a safety. Also of note: the other freshman corner is also larger than all other corners.

Derrick Green continues being serious. Down a full 20 pounds from last year's 240.

Yo-yo-ing is bad for your health, Keith. Or whatever. But he put on all that weight to play DE/DT and now Michigan is all like SYKE.

Jenkins-Stone now plausible. A worrying drop to 221 in spring was followed by a rebound and now he's pretty decent size for a WLB. Or SAM in the over. You know what I mean.

I thought you were supposed to be huge? I listed Furbush at 240 in his recruiting profile and thought that was a bit conservative since many recruiting evaluations started with "as big or bigger than his listed size." Instead he checks in at 210. Typo? Malaria? Weird optical illusion wherein everyone sees a much larger person than is actually there? I mean, dude is not ten pounds lighter than Jared Wangler, right? I'm confused? I keep asking questions?

More generally. There really seems to be no reason to play any of the freshman LBs other than Ferns. You've got a three deep and they're 220. Redshirts for all.

Funchess 2.0? I see Bunting listed at 6'7", 227 and see visions of busted blocks and eventual resignation to the fact that you've got a 6'7" WR with skillet hands. For a given definition of "resignation." 

Hello redshirt. Drake Harris was already dinged up and now he's dropped weight. He's now the same weight as Canteen and listed at three inches taller.

DL increments. Not a ton of huge swings there but Henry did drop 13 pounds, hopefully so he can stay on the field longer without tiring out and seeing his technique fall apart. Hurst is still a bit short of ideal at 282. Wish Beyer could have added more than six pounds from last year; must be physically tapped out. Ditto Ojemudia. Seems like he's just about done expanding.

Cole expanding. Mason Cole going from 275 to 292 means breaking the glass on his redshirt is only 90% of a Total Panic Experience instead of 100%. The rest of the OL seems to be converging on 300 pounds from various directions with the exception of Ben Braden, who is just enormous.

Big enough. I think it's 50/50 Glasgow starts at tackle. Both Kugler and Miller are 299, which is large enough, and he looked good there in spring.

Comments

STW P. Brabbs

July 24th, 2014 at 2:47 PM ^

Two of the biggest positive data points to come out of this are that Pipkins has continued to keep his weight down, and, a bit further under the radar, that Chris Fox has dropped almost 30 lbs to get back to functional weight.

Has there been any buzz about Fox at all since the spring?  He was one of the more highly-regarded linemen we brought in -- I remember seeing a couple of Buckeye threads where people actually admitted being disappointed they didn't land him -- but his injury caused him to balloon to critical mass.  In the best-case scenario, he could push -- or even surpass -- Braden for the RT spot. 

For those who may have forgotten, here's a tidbit from his recruiting post:

…a massive player with a solid base, and despite that mass, he moves very well. He's already built like a college lineman, and has time to add strength before contributing in college - even though he probably doesn't need to. Fox was one of the few players to win a rep against 2014's top player, Da'Shawn Hand, and was not soundly beat on any rep.

 

 

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ST3

July 24th, 2014 at 3:34 PM ^

Green weighed 270 pounds in high school. At this rate, there'll be nothing left of him by the time he graduates.

I look at that O-line graph and just hope Miller's a true 299 and has improved over the summer. A little experience along the line would be nice. But if Kugler wins the job, so be it.

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alum96

July 24th, 2014 at 4:13 PM ^

Nope.  Green started at 270, dropped to 220s his sr year in HS then showed up in AA 240.    So he is just back to where he was 24 months ago but I assume more of it is muscle now.

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AC1997

July 24th, 2014 at 3:59 PM ^

This OL chart reminds me of the late 80s and early 90s when they basically refused to list anyone over 300 pounds a if that was a bad omen.

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Promote RichRod

July 24th, 2014 at 4:27 PM ^

lack of weight change is great!  Always great to see all these players drop all the bad weight and put on the exact same weight in muscle. More STRONGER but MAINTAIN QUICKNESS moar.

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jethro34

July 24th, 2014 at 7:50 PM ^

Drake Harris just took to Twitter claiming he has gained 20 lbs since his arrival. Includes before and after pictures. So did Jabrill, and dang.

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bluelaw2013

July 24th, 2014 at 7:58 PM ^

Forgive me if this has already been asked and answered, but I'm curious abo the year-to-year weight deltas for the top programs. For us, I really liked Barwis, and I just went back to compare our 09-10 deltas with our current deltas. Per my literal back-of-the-envelope-while-riding-the-train calculations, we gained ~376 beefpounds across ~42 datapoints from 09-10, which is an average clip of ~8.95 pounds per player. The above shows ~110 pounds across ~64 datapoints, an average of about ~1.72 per player. Some gain good, some loss good, depends on player, yada yada, caveat caveat, weight is but a loose loose proxy for other things that matter. But my small sample size comparison shows that Barwis was beefing us up about ~420% faster than we are beefing now, and he was allegedly building spread guys. Is 09-10 an outlier? Were we too beefy then? Are we beefy enough now? How do we compare to the average year-to-year weight deltas for the other top teams out there?

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Space Coyote

July 24th, 2014 at 11:22 PM ^

I don't seen any weights above that I think are really that bad. On top of that, Rich Rod was looking to run a 3-3-5, which, while it has a few more DBs, tends to have more bulk on the DL and at the LB level, at there are only 6 non-DB box guys to fill gaps, so they need to be a bit bigger. That's why you see the LBs bulking up from around the size Michigan's current LBs are, to the 240s-250s.

On top of that, let's look at the big gains from '09 to '10 (15+ lbs)

Gallon (165 to 180)

Huyge (288 to 306)

Schofield (268 to 293)

Lewan (268 to 294)

Omameh (276 to 299)

Campbell (318 to 333)

Bell (220 to 245)

Simmons (185 to 200)

So those are guys, outside of Campbell, that needed huge additions. The OL, all 8 returning, only three were above 280 in the 2009 season, and only one in the 290s. Bell was a MIKE, Simmons was a box safety, the OL were small, and Gallon was really small. On top of that, remember (and this includes numbers above), weights and heights are exaggerated for effect. Lewan and Schofield probably weren't in the 290s by then (probably mid-to-high 280s). Omameh was likely low 290s.

You'll notice the guys that made big jumps from 2010 to 2011 were similar schematic changes.

Miller (217 to 234, from WR to TE)

Roh (251 to 269, from OLB to WDE)

Heininger (267 to 295, from DE to SDE/3T)

Cam Gordon (207 to 222, from Box SS to SAM)

Mike Jones (208 to 224, from Box SS/OLB to LB)

Brandin Hawthorne (203 to 214, from box safety to SS/LB)

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MGoStrength

July 24th, 2014 at 8:22 PM ^

Green's weight staying down is important too and that's been talked about.  But, I think RJS weight gain of 13 pounds is pretty impressive and I'm looking forward to seeing him finally get on the field and start using the talent that I think he has.  Although he may be a little undisciplined at times (OSU fight last year), I like his aggressive style of play and his athleticism.  There are so many good LBs.  It will be hard to see JMFR gone next year, but there are a lot of talented guys that I'm excited to see.  This is a really exciting position for UM.

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Hi Gang

July 24th, 2014 at 10:55 PM ^

There's a trick to recognizing that early on, maybe.

Some guys come in as LB's and end up DT's.  There are countless examples of guys that stay within or go beyond the playing weight.

Same with finding the right position.  It takes until Sr. year for some to finally find a home at their "correct" position.  Usually a pleasant surprise, but disappointing considering they often get only one or two years to make an impact.

There is no science behind it.
Too hard to recognize until 1,2, or 3 years of eligibility have been wasted through trial and error while looking for the right combo of size and best suited position.  Well, I guess that is the scientific method - sort of.

 

 

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