The Considerable Attrition of Stanford's 2010 Recruiting Class Comment Count

Ace

Tony Jefferson (L) and Kain Colter (R) left Stanford's class for very different reasons.

I swear I'll be posting a full recruiting mailbag this week, but when looking at Michael Spath's article on Jim Harbaugh's recruiting style, this merited a closer examination:

At Stanford, The Cardinal produced a slew of decommitments during Harbaugh's tenure (18 alone in 2010), and we've been told that when Harbaugh accepts a commitment, it is often the early stages of the vetting process, and that over the next few months both coaching staff and recruit could come to the conclusion it is not the right fit. 

If such were to happen at Michigan, fans would have to ask themselves if they are OK with a recruiting strategy in which players are recruited and offered a scholarship but ultimately told prior to Signing Day that it would be best for all involved to part ways. 

Stanford's elite admissions turned away a few prospects, and one could argue it was the school not Harbaugh that had final say, but a staff should have a pretty good feel from the onset which players have the grades to be admitted and those that do not. At Stanford, Harbaugh was willing to accept pledges from an abundance of borderline prospects.

18 decommitments in one class! On its face, that's alarming, especially in the context of Michigan taking this many early commitments. To get a clearer picture of what happened at Stanford and what we can expect from Harbaugh at Michigan, I took a look at the decommitment stories of every one-time 2010 Stanford commit I could find to see what really occurred.

The good news: Harbaugh didn't just kick 18 players out of his class to make room for better players. In fact, a good number of these decommits were players Harbaugh didn't want to lose. There was no Elliott Porter situation. The bad news: while Harbaugh didn't seem to go so far as to yank anyone's scholarship outright, a couple of the tactics he used probably won't sit well with Michigan fans, and understandably so.

I've separated out the 2010 decommits into categories. I believe Spath's source for the 18 decommits figure is this Bleacher Report article. There's only one player on the list (Tyler Brosius) whom I couldn't verify was ever a Stanford commit in the first place; neither Rivals nor Scout even listed him as holding an offer. Here's the rest:

Prospect Chose A Better Opportunity

Several of Stanford's 2010 commits had one of the more common reasons for a commitment flip: they got what they found to be a better offer from another program and made the switch.

  • Four-star CA S/LB Tony Jefferson, now on the Arizona Cardinals, committed to Stanford in September of his junior season. He backed off the following January, saying he wanted to keep his options open while citing concerns over Stanford's strict admissions, and ended up at Oklahoma.
  • Four-star CA LB Jordan Zumwalt fielded heavy interest from both Los Angeles schools while he was a Stanford commit, and on Signing Day he switched to UCLA, in part because it was closer to home.
  • Four-star MD CB Louis Young committed to Stanford without taking a visit, had second thoughts, recommitted, had second thoughts again, and eventually wound up at Georgia Tech.
  • Three one-time Stanford commits—four-star GA WR TJ Jones, three-star UT S Chris Badger, and three-star KY OL Tate Nichols—flipped to Notre Dame during the process. Jones switched after an official visit to South Bend, while the other two made their decisions shortly after receiving Irish offers.
  • Three-star OH CB Courtney Avery changed his commitment to Michigan after earning a camp offer in the spring.
  • Three-star TX DT Will Hampton started fielding increased interest, decided he wanted to take visits, narrowed his choices to Notre Dame and Northwestern, and eventually chose the Wildcats.

That's eight of the 18 who simply decided to pursue what they found to be a better opportunity elsewhere.

Standard Recruitment Issues

For one reason or another, something came up during the course of these players' recruitments that led them to end up elsewhere:

  • Four-star FL OL Torrian Wilson changed his commitment to Louisville when his primary recruiter at Stanford, Willie Taggart, took the head coaching job at Western Kentucky. He also said his mom wanted him closer to home. There's good evidence that was the driving factor—he'd later flip his commitment again, this time to UCF.
  • Four-star TE Blake Barker, who hailed from Cambridge, MA, changed his commitment to Harvard, telling Rivals he wanted the right combination of academics and proximity to home.
  • Four-star MO RB Brandon Bourbon also decided he wanted to play close to home, swiching to Kansas just days before NSD after being committed to Stanford for six months.

Senior Year Injury

This is where things start getting uncomfortable. In two documented cases, Stanford stopped contacting recruits after they suffered injuries during their season season. That's how Kain Colter, a three-star athlete, wound up at Northwestern instead of heading to Palo Alto:

During his first game that fall, Colter heard a "pop" after throwing a post route. An MRI revealed a torn labrum and biceps, but he kept playing as a running back and receiver while rehabbing a shoulder that eventually needed surgery.

Stanford originally stuck by him, but then their correspondences dwindled. They wanted his MRI results and claimed he would have to wait for clearance from the admissions office. Interesting for a kid who carried a 4.2 grade-point average.

Finally, Spencer said, "They just stopped calling. It was a bad situation. I wanted them to man up and talk to Kain."

Colter decommitted in late December. Three-star FL OG Joe McNamara had a similar experience:

The 6-foot-2, 270-pound McNamara, a three-star prospect rated the 28th-best offensive guard in the country by Scout.com, was excited to become a Cardinal. That's when his recruitment started taking a turn for the worse.

Tearing his ACL roughly a week before the season started, forcing McNamara to sit out his entire senior season, McNamara wanted to be sure Stanford was still behind him. After no returned calls or emails, McNamara had to start from scratch.

"The thing that took the longest was finding out if Stanford was in or out," McNamara told Badger Nation Monday. "They never came out and said I was out of the picture but at the same time, there was no communication. I would say probably November was when I re-opened the recruiting process."

McNamara wound up at Wisconsin. If there's a positive to be found in these two cases, it's that Harbaugh never formally pulled either player's scholarship, and both opened up their recruitments with enough time left in the process to find suitable landing spots. It's tough to sugarcoat the complete lack of communication from Stanford's end, however.

Stanford Ceased Contact

Somewhat related to the above, the main way it seems Harbaugh indicated to recruits it was best for both parties to go their separate ways was to stop talking to them.

  • Three-star GA S Daunte Carr opened up his recruitment because he hadn't heard back from the admissions department with less than a month to go before Signing Day. He later committed to Arkansas.
  • Three-star NV LB Evan Palelei committed in the spring of his junior year, then decommitted in early September of his senior year because he "lost contact with them over the summer." Palelei eventually signed with Navy.

The Late Grayshirt

  • In arguably the most concerning situation of them all, the Stanford staff informed three-star TX TE Zachary Swanson that he'd have to take a grayshirt with about a month to go before Signing Day. He chose instead to sign with Virginia.

I can't find anywhere what happened in the case of three-star OG Harris Williams, who flipped to Boston College in July after originally pledging to the Cardinal in late April.

So?

A lot of the attrition in this class occurred for reasons outside Harbaugh's control, but there are definitely red flags that come up. Falling out of contact with recruits as a way of not-so-subtly pushing them out the door isn't a great look, especially in the case of injury; even worse is blindsiding a prospect with a late grayshirt.

We'll see if Harbaugh operates in a different way at Michigan, where he won't have to worry as much about potential attrition within his classes due to problems with admissions. While this stuff doesn't quite rise to the SEC level of recruiting malfeasance, it's not going to go over well in Ann Arbor if Harbaugh isn't more open with recruits about their place in the class as the process moves along.

Comments

Stringer Bell

June 23rd, 2015 at 2:13 PM ^

This is a lot better than waiting til these kids sign then throwing them by the wayside.  While I'd prefer Harbaugh to just be frank with these kids rather than just stop talking to them, at least they had ample opportunity to open up their recruitment and sign with the best possible school.  This is the way recruiting is.  Kids decommit all the time in favor of a better opportunity for them, IMO coaches should get the same kind of freedom.  Verbal commits really don't mean much anymore, as us Michigan fans have come to learn recently.  This is still better than the recruiting practices of 99% of other coaches.

Philmypockets

June 23rd, 2015 at 2:16 PM ^

I want to win and if Michigan offers you, then you can attend most any college. I am tired of us playing with one hand behind our backs, because we're Michigan. We aren't Michigan and the climate changed while we didn't. It's time to compete again!

wolverine1987

June 23rd, 2015 at 3:02 PM ^

it's based on thinking that the sport is getting slimier, based upon stories like this. IMO college football is actually more ethical in general (in treating of athletes) than it has ever been. These kind of stories would never have even been written 20 years ago, along with the oversigning, payola, etc. We would never even have heard of it, and most fans wouldn't have cared. This kind of treatment was far more common in the past than it is now--look at the SEC--how bad was oversigning and outright cutting 25 years ago? A lot worse I'll bet.

MaizeJacket

June 23rd, 2015 at 3:16 PM ^

Not just the SEC.  Of course I have to remind people here about that.  Back then there were no scholarhip limits.  So the big schools would sign over 100 kids just to keep them away from other schools, not with the intention of, you know, using them or playing them.  But carry on with the SEC bashing.

UMProud

June 23rd, 2015 at 2:20 PM ^

I see nothing in this post that concerns me as a fan. I believe Michigan and JH are absolutely committed to following NCAA rules and doing the right thing. I believe they take compliance people with them on trips. Not sure if this is the norm but it speaks volumes about the way they want to do things.

bronxblue

June 23rd, 2015 at 3:19 PM ^

Absolutely.  But all we have right now is a weird-looking recruiting class and a history, at least once, of Harbaugh churning through some lower-regarded commits when better ones came up.  Nobody is claiming Harbaugh is doing that now, but it's naive to also act like his past actions don't provide some context for potential future actions.  

wolverine1987

June 23rd, 2015 at 4:06 PM ^

IMO this is not morally black and white. Others will disagree, and I respect that. But we are provided no context, because coaches can't discuss recruiting specifics. I wouldn't be endorsing Harbaugh if we found out that in the future a kid didn't get called for a few weeks and de-committed, but I wouldn't fully condemn him either, without knowing what was discussed between the two parties. 

bronxblue

June 23rd, 2015 at 4:27 PM ^

That's true, and obviously a lot has happened in the past 5 years.  I'd like to know if this situation continued with Stanford after 2010; I could research it if I have the time.  But I am definitely more on notice now than before about keeping an eye on the random 2* kids Harbaugh is signing by the bus load and whether they wind up at UM in the end.

might and main

June 23rd, 2015 at 5:19 PM ^

know if that's the case because we don't have both sides of the story.  And we'll probably never know for sure in the future either, so this is tough.  But if there's a mutual commitment, and we then back out of it, that would be bad.  Yes, Harbaugh hasn't done it at MIchigan yet, and hopefully he won't.  But if that became a thing here, it would be a bad thing in my view. Integrity > winning at any cost.

GotBlueOnMyMind

June 23rd, 2015 at 2:24 PM ^

Ace, you should've written this as if it had happened at an SEC school, changing the names and other identifying information. That way, we could have seen what all the posters who claim it is no big deal would have thought if it weren't about Harbaugh. There seems to be an inability to see any negatives about Harbaugh with many on this board.

If this type of practice continues at Michigan, I will be upset. At the same time, and I hate to say this, I will likely care far less about it if we become a national power again.

might and main

June 23rd, 2015 at 2:51 PM ^

First, this is an excellent, objective piece, Ace.  A credit to this site.

As many have said here, there's info from "the other side of the story" that we just can't get access to, so I'm reserving judgement.  But nonetheless, this is concerning.  I don't want to be Pollyanish about it, but Michigan IS about integrity, and I'll still put that over "win at any cost."  If we make a commitment to a kid, it should be honored. 

MaizeJacket

June 23rd, 2015 at 2:54 PM ^

Recruting is ugly, messy, and sometimes unfair, to player and program.  I don't know why everyone is acting so surprised.  Both parties are working off of no more than a man's word for months and years before the moment of truth.  There is no shortage of lying and fly-by-night operations going on year-round in this process.  

I love this fan site, but I think I have it mostly figured out.  It's the best fan site I visit because of the comprehensive information made available constantly, but it's also very similar to others in that it paints a pretty rosy picture of commitments/coaching hires, so much so that when they don't go the way this site has portrayed them to go, there's collective confusion and surprise.  I shudder to think what would have happened here if the Harbaugh hire hadn't worked out.  Nothing wrong with this, but we need to not act like Michigan is immune to getting jilted, or that the rules aren't bent here.

blockm97

June 23rd, 2015 at 2:54 PM ^

Pushing all of the mantra and stern talk aside....we all want Harbs to win football games.  We love to chide Saban (and at times he takes it too far) but the guy is the master at using the system to maximize his roster talent.  Some of these examples rub me the wrong way. If Harbs is going to pull an offer he should have someone talk to the player.  But, and some may disagree, if a HS senior tears up his knee I understand pulling the 'ship.  A big part of a coaches responsibility is to win games.   

Anyway, it's a balance and I am not sure where I fall on this debate.  But I am not afraid to admit that I value winning a lot.  And I am fully aware at times you make choices that are not best for 18-22 year old kids to win games.

BlueinOK

June 23rd, 2015 at 3:02 PM ^

Thanks for this, Ace. It's great work once again. 

The thing about this is we can't hear the story from Harbaugh. Is recruiting ugly? Yes. But I'm sure knowing both sides it won't look as bad. 

 

MaizeJacket

June 23rd, 2015 at 3:09 PM ^

really wanted to go to Stanford.  They told him that he didn't have the test scores they require.  Stanford is notorious for excercising academic exceptions to some but not others.  I remember it well while it was going on; it was fairly public.  I love Harbaugh but no one can say he had nothing to do with that kind of stuff in Palo Alto.

Gucci Mane

June 23rd, 2015 at 3:11 PM ^

I have no problem with anything harbuagh does if it helps us win games, and it does not create penalties down the road.

Hotel Putingrad

June 23rd, 2015 at 3:39 PM ^

with all the moving roster pieces from year to year, there will be uncomfortable situations. I would just hope that those situations are talked through honest between the staff and the player and his parents. Bad things happen sometimes, but we can still win with honesty and transparency.

Gulogulo37

June 23rd, 2015 at 7:33 PM ^

Damn, and it was a buckeye that beat me to it. The first thing that came into my mind was that B1G commercial with the coaches when RR says, "Have you seen our helmets?"

Seriously though, those traditions are what makes Michigan "special", along with, yes, winning a lot of football games. Michigan isn't famous because we haven't had sketchy grashirting. I fucking love Michigan football. Having said that, if you're on some sanctimonious kick where you think Michigan is above reproach in all regards while everyone else is using prostitutes and bags of cash, then you're just going down the delusional road to a cult like ND or JoePa at Penn State. I don't want Harbaugh to do any real sketchy stuff, but Michigan football isn't my moral and spiritual guide. I don't think all OSU grads go to work at McDonald's (and I hate shitting on people who work at McDonald's), and I don't think all opposing coaches are evil. I mostly just hate the oversigning that genuinely fucks over players.

EDIT: That was a bit of a rant and goes beyond what you said so don't take that as all personally directed at you, black and white avatar guy whose username I don't recall right now.

sadeto

June 23rd, 2015 at 9:08 PM ^

I'm sorry but you're not making a lot of sense here. First of all, you cite the most superficial of reasons for loving Michigan football- the "traditions" such as cool helmets and winning a lot of games. Yet then you accuse me of going down a "delusional road to a cult" such as ND fans. Yet it is precisely the worship of the stupid mascot and the past history of multiple championships that makes most ND fans worthy of ridicule. Allow me to ask, what exactly is the difference with your meaningless worship of the same superficial aspects of Michigan's tradition? Oh and how brave of you to take on JoePa, the man who turned his cheek to child abuse and who happens to be dead now. That's why he had such a "delusional cult", right? It had nothing to do with his perception as a man of character who graduated scholar athletes and donated most of his salary to the school library. No, they loved him so because he won games and tolerated child molesters. We'll have to agree to disagree, as I arrived in Ann Arbor without a clue about the football team but grew to love it as a part of an institution that demands excellence and character first. Above reproach? Who the hell said that? Refusing to believe UM is above reproach is actually a trait most leaders there share, as evidenced by Moeller being immediately shown the door. I think my UM is different from the one you attended, but that's ok, people experience institutions in different ways.

DoubleB

June 24th, 2015 at 8:51 PM ^

What "right" thing? Brady Hoke did the "right" thing and got run out of town before the tar and feathers could be applied. 

The "values" Michigan has are the same every other large Division I athletic departmentl has--win games.

Nickel

June 23rd, 2015 at 10:40 PM ^

Ditto on the satellite camps.  If the B1G had a rule against them and SEC schools were using them we'd be complaining.  If a coach at any other school was doing the things Harbaugh has been doing we'd be talking about him as a crazy fool but since he's our crazy fool it's awesome and everyone else is just nervous/jealous.

We're no different than any of the other schools.  Win and we're willing to look the other way on a lot of shady stuff.

Edited to add: I don't think that's a good thing, if we start giving some of these committed kids the cold shoulder I won't feel right about it, but I don't think the fanbase as a whole will care a bit if the wins come.

uncleFred

June 23rd, 2015 at 3:45 PM ^

Winning national championships or conference championships is not as important to me as running an honorable program. Note I did not say a program that complies with the minimum standards of the NCAA. 

Fortunately I believe that it is possible for Michigan to both operate honorably and win conference championships and eventually national championships as well. 

Further it is my unsupported opinion that Jim Harbaugh, steeped in the ways of Bo, inculcated with the knowledge and tradition that coaching a football team at Michigan demands far more than simply winning enough games, understands this far better than I. 

I fully expect that there will be some number of hostile decommitments during Harbaugh's tenure. It's college recruiting and spurned, angry, teenagers tend to hyperbole. Each event will undoubtedly undergo intensive scrutiny. I expect this scrutiny will ultimately reveal that the conduct of Harbaugh and his staff was appropriate to the highest standards at the University of Michigan. 

Yeah Harbaugh wants to win and is both aggressive as hell and tremendously creative, but he loves Michigan as much as anyone here. He'd set himself on fire before he'd tarnish its reputation. 

kb

June 23rd, 2015 at 3:58 PM ^

and pitchforks from the fan base about recruiting tactics. You all are going to run a great coach out of town if you keep it up. I'm good with Harbaugh stretching the rules of recruiting as long as there are no NCAA infractions.

autodrip4-1968

June 23rd, 2015 at 4:26 PM ^

there will be as many decommits at Michigan for coach Harbaugh. With his NFL experience and his coaching staff and being such a cool dude. I think for the most part the prospects verbally committed will stay. 

ifis

June 23rd, 2015 at 5:33 PM ^

Transparency and trustworthiness should be priorities for our program. We need to be upfront with high schoolers about what we are guaranteeing them and honor that commitment. I am ok with pulling scholarship 'offers' if the contingencies for which the 'offer' is rescinded were made clear in the recruiting process. It's that simple and it is black and white. It is not impossible, or even hard, to win while maintaining that standard. To my knowledge, Dantonio does it, and I will be VERY upset if we give up the high ground on this to sta*e.

ca_prophet

June 23rd, 2015 at 5:43 PM ^

should not be tolerated here.  

As others have mentioned, if we recruit someone and tell them "You're getting an offer, but you might have to grayshirt the first semester" up front that's one thing.  Telling them on Signing Day "Thanks for the LOI, but you're not getting a scholarship" is something different (and yet another reason for recruits to not sign a letter of intent if they can avoid it).

The lack of contact just seems ... wrong.  Of course, coaches aren't usually going to come out and say "You got hurt, we're yanking your offer", but there's got to be a better way to do this.

I suspect this is one area where Harbaugh will bend us away from what I'd like us to do, and whether we'll tolerate it or not depends on how much he wins (and how much of it he does).

 

 

Zok

June 23rd, 2015 at 6:30 PM ^

With every flyer recruit we've had over the last month you know there is only one way for this to end.

Some are/will get squeezed out and I envison much less written on this site about shady recrutiing practices going forward...pot ->kettel ->black

 

HollywoodHokeHogan

June 23rd, 2015 at 8:36 PM ^

I could give a shit.  I have watched OSU get wrist slapped for illegal recruiting tatics and lying to the NCAA, turn around and win a national championship.  I have watched PSU cover-up ghastly crimes, get hit with serious penalities that were later quietly reduced to a wrist-slapping.  I have watched almost the entire goddamn SEC over-sign and cut scholarhip players while "dominating college football." 

And we're hand-wring about stuff that is not even NCAA prohibited?  Come the fuck on.  I wish offers were commitable as soon as they were given, so coaches would be required to hold a spot for the kid and so kids would be unable to decommit without some sort of penalty, like sitting out for a year.  But they aren't.  So you get cases like Battle jumping ship at the last minute and coaches pulling offers.  It's not ideal, but I don't get the vapors over it.

buckeyejonross

June 23rd, 2015 at 9:42 PM ^

This was hilarious. OSU didn't get "wrist slapped". They got drilled. Beyond similar offenders. They had their five best players suspended for most of or all of the season, their coach got fired, they had years worth of scholarship reductions and finally a bowl ban. And it wasn't for "illegal recruiting tactics", it was for their coach covering up his knowledge of five of his players committing the NCAA violation of profiting off their own name. Apparently you are only somewhat aware of what happened. That's ok.