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2019 Recruiting: Cade McNamara Comment Count

Brian August 12th, 2019 at 10:31 AM

Previously: Last year's profiles. S Quinten Johnson, S Daxton Hill, CB DJ Turner II, CB Jalen Perry, LB Joey Velazquez, LB Anthony Solomon, LB Charles Thomas, DE David Ojabo, DE Gabe Newburg, DE Mike Morris, DT Chris Hinton, DT Mazi Smith, OL Jack Stewart, OL Nolan Rumler, OL Zach Carpenter, OL Karsen Barnhart, OL Trente Jones, OL Trevor Keegan, TE Erick All, WR Giles Jackson, WR George Johnson III, WR Mike Sainristil, WR Quintel Kent (probably), WR Cornelius Johnson, RB Zach Charbonnet.

 
Reno, NV – 6'1", 205
 

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24/7 4*, #375 overall
#8 PRO, #2 NV
Rivals 4*, NR overall
#8 PRO, #1 NV
ESPN 4*, #253 overall
#12 PRO, #1 NV
Composite 4*, #268 overall
#7 PRO, #1 NV
Other Suitors ND (decommit), UGA, Bama, USC, Wisc
YMRMFSPA Shea Patterson
Previously On MGoBlog Hello post from Ace.
Notes Twitter, where he asks the important questions. Early enrollee.

Film

Senior Year:

Cade McNamara has been around the block. He became Nevada's all-time leader in touchdown passes after he showed up at Damonte Ranch his freshman year and deposed a returning all-conference starter by game four, and not without controversy:

The Damonte Ranch fans still chanted Vestbie’s name during games.

“It totally divided the team, it created a lot of stuff in the stands,” Gary McNamara said. “There were actually fights in the stands. Parents were yelling at him, booing him. We didn’t know until this summer it spilled over into the classroom. A lot of the older kids who didn’t know who this freshman was were treating him disrespectfully and giving him a hard time on campus.”

That is a coach with some cojones, and McNamara heard about it for the duration of his freshman season. Things got rough; McNamara stuck it out, and now he enters college with over 1300 attempts to his name. There are vanishingly few high school quarterbacks who can claim as much live-fire experience. And probably just as few have put in more time off the field. Local reporter Jim Krajewski:

[McNamara] started attending elite-level quarterback camps and training sessions all over the West coast starting about four or five years ago. … spends every day, year-round, working out and preparing to be a quarterback.”

Super-prepared guys can be a bit of a double-edged sword, popping up early in the recruiting cycle and then falling off once everyone else catches up. This is less of a concern at quarterback, where processing information is the most important thing. QBs learn into their 30s, so McNamara's occasionally maniacal tendencies

“Last year when the season was over I told him, ‘Cade, I just need you to go be a kid for a month,’” Gary McNamara said. “He watches so much film. … When everybody else is taking a day off, my kids go work out again because Cade wants to clean one little thing up that he caught on film with his throwing mechanics.” …

Dupris joked he only gets half the play call out of his mouth before McNamara runs with the rest because he knows the playbook so well.

…make him a good prospect without necessarily capping his ceiling.

[After THE JUMP: the somewhat more finished product]

As you might expect for a guy who's been a full-time QB since sixth grade, Cade McNamara knows who he is. I was going to write a paragraph like this and then he just… said it:

"I feel like my ability to throw off platform and in funky positions and really extend the play [is a strength]-- not as much with downfield running as much as just buying time in the pocket … I have the confidence to make every throw needed to be a quarterback.”

Also:

I feel like my release is so different, and something that no one else has ... I felt like I was very accurate. I had a lot of zip on my ball, and I was able to control my ball really well when it came to one on ones.”

All of this is true. McNamara has a ton of throws where he's getting lit up or can't set his feet that work out just fine. He's able to throw accurately from wacky arm angles. And the guns, they are slung:

  • Allen Trieu, 247: "… accurate, has good placement and touch and can throw into windows. … best asset may be his ability to throw from odd angles and on the move without needing to have his feet set. … good ability to elude pressure and extend plays. … quick release and necessary velocity"
  • Adam Gorney, Rivals: " moxie …competitive edge …not going to wow you with mind-boggling athleticism or arm strength but he's not going to make mistakes. … heady, skilled quarterback"
  • ESPN: "…good decision maker out of the gun … accurate passer who is able to fit the ball into tight windows… poised and confident … touch and timing. Changes ball speeds nicely. …Marginal height and strength. Not sure he has elite arm power."
  • Blair Angulo, 247: "strong arm and can dissect defenses from the pocket … capable of hitting receivers in stride when rolling out … tremendously effective on throws to the perimeter and fits passes into tight windows over the middle"
  • Also Angulo: "strong arm … quick release without sacrificing precision or accuracy, … great feel for putting the ball only where his teammates can make a play. … able to use his legs effectively to buy time … fits passes into tight windows over the middle, knowing when to look off linebackers and safeties to find his weapons. … great understanding of offensive concepts and can recognize defenses at the line of scrimmage."
  • Greg Biggins, 247: "… ripping the ball through windy conditions early on in the camp and threw with a lot of poise and confidence throughout. He was accurate, threw with touch … quickest release in the camp. "
  • Ernie Howren, HC at Bishop Manogue: "Great mechanics, great accuracy, explosive arm, such a quick release. …field presence …takes some shots and he just gets right back up like it was nothing … tough"

McNamara's toughness is not in question after a broken rib forced him out of one(1) game last season.

So that's a fair bit of scouting, and then there's the Elite 11. It has gone through another revamp, which is mostly for the better. Previous editions of the camp were trying to jam it in over a single day and saw judgments being made on single-digit throws. Now the thing has sprung tentacles. There are regional camps to qualify for a final, and then I think there's another thing? I don't know. I do know that one article cited McNamara going 28 of 50 on a particular day, and there appears to be about a week's worth of days. So okay, I'll accept some weird Trent Dilfer scouting:

"…command from start to finish. … very few thick-jointed guys who also have twitch [ed: ?!?!] and he’s one of them … fundamentally sound  … consistent. .…baller mentality … going to hang in there until the last second and make a play for his team. …unbelievable how many different arm angles he can throw from. … natural, intuitive playmaking ability. … played through adversity and some chaos. …understands changing speeds on the ball. He knows how to get it up and down. He knows that different plays and routes call for different throws."

Like Cornelius Johnson, McNamara fits into a particular type: the undersized, scrambly broken play maestro. McNamara's quick release helps mitigate his height—DL have less time to get their hands up—and his maniacal tendencies should help him be the kind of tick-tick metronome he'll need to be under center. As 24/7 said during the opening, "he won't wow you with his physical tools but just knows how to play the position."

McNamara went off the board early to Notre Dame but opened his recruitment back up after, uh, something. McNamara's dad:

“It wasn’t a good fit. The reaction from some players was not what we expected. Some things were said, some things were not said, some things were not done."

He picked up Michigan, USC, Georgia, and Alabama offers just before he shook free. Those offers were likely legit. Georgia ended up flipping instate QB Dwan Mathis from OSU on Signing Day, and a guy who would know asserted that McNamara was high on Alabama's board:

"One little side story is Josh [Gattis] had told me that Cade McNamara was their No. 1 quarterback on their board at Alabama … You like to hear that."

It was a down year for QBs, with just one guy in the top 50 and three in the top 150 on the composite, so it's not that much of a stretch if you assume guys like Spencer Rattler and Graham Mertz were no longer on those boards due to commitments.

Michigan is going to have to coach the gunslinger out a bit. QB highlight film is amongst the least enlightening because being a QB is about making the throws, and highlight films don't have the throws you don't make. Even so, you can draw certain things from McNamara's. The sheer number of off-platform throws is a thing, and then when he throws from a relatively clean pocket and has the same 3/4ths or sidearm release, well, that's another. There's a genre of QB that thrives on chaos and only chaos; McNamara might be in this category.

Also, McNamara's focus on off-platform throws can mean that the simple stuff is less accurate than you want. This popped up in the spring game. Your author:

…more likely than any QB other than Patterson to look between the hashes … accuracy was shaky, with a few balls well behind his man. … did pass the first test, which is to look like a plausible Big Ten quarterback. … If he can clean up his accuracy he gives off a Patterson-esque vibe.

24/7 discussing the Elite 11 competition:

…one of the most polarizing prospects, even from one event to the next. He can look dominant one day and underwhelm with his arm on another. Our biggest question is about his downfield arm strength.

Adam Gorney went through the usual list of positives ("can really deliver the ball all over the field … great at prolonging plays") before getting to the bugaboo:

". … maybe a little stronger [than Shea Patterson] but not nearly as athletic or mobile. …biggest weakness with him is consistent accuracy. Sometimes he throws behind and above receivers."

You can see this in McNamara's stats, as well. He had a 58% completion percentage against weak competition as a sophomore and junior. That did pop up to 63% as a senior.

The other potential hiccup is McNamara's ability to run. You'd think a guy who can operate on the run like McNamara would probably be at least a decent option in a zone read game but there are some pretty negative takes on his ability to move. One's just above; a UCLA site scouting a camp also was pretty down on him ("didn’t look particularly athletic").

McNamara's coach explains his lack of rushing attempts:

“Cade can definitely run. I don’t like to run him a ton though and have him take a lot of shots. …Cade is just so good at rolling in the pocket and keeping his eyes down field — he’d rather throw the ball 40 yards than try to pick it up with his feet.”

There are a couple clips on his senior highlight film that are encouraging, albeit against not great competition.

Etc.: Sampson gonna Loy:

Tom Rees gets it right with Pyne-McNamara swap

Drew Pyne is a 2020 recruit.

Why Shea Patterson? Approximately 6'1" guy who's been pointed at QB since he was in middle school. Moxie. Buckets of experience. Not a dual-threat guy but has escapability and the ability to do damage on the run. Patterson established that he can be an effective zone read QB last year; that's an open question for McNamara. Patterson was a five-star guy coming out of high school and McNamara is less likely to hit. If he hits it won't be too far off Patterson.

Other quarterbacks in this genre include Tate Forcier and Iowa's Drew Tate.

Guru Reliability: High. All the camps, Elite 11, but difficult to judge his high school games because of competition level.

Variance: High. Short QB without outstanding wheels; motion kind of weird; competition level could be a shock to the system.

Ceiling: Moderate-plus. McNamara could end up one of the creepy accurate and prescient short-ish pocket-ish guys who are really standouts but the ideal version of him doesn't get to the level of the ideal version of, say, Joe Milton.

General Excitement Level: Moderate. McNamara appears to be a fighter and may well outperform this but inconsistent accuracy is tough to overcome.

Projection: Is quarterback, redshirt. Looks like it's going to be difficult for anyone to overcome Dylan McCaffrey next year. Unless he leaves early McNamara's first real shot at the starting job will be as a redshirt junior, when he'll compete against a senior Joe Milton, a redshirt sophomore JD Johnson, and a redshirt freshman JJ McCarthy—if they're all still around.

Handicapping that battle way down the road is hard to do, but everyone will want it to be McCarthy.

Comments

Decatur Jack

August 12th, 2019 at 11:24 AM ^

I read that and laughed!

- Cade McNamara -
You Might Remember Me From Such Players as: Shea Patterson....!!??

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That is generous, my friend.

He looks a little closer to Nathan Rourke right now. Shea might be a possibility as a fifth-year senior.

I get that Brian wants to project that as the upside, but man, to just throw the comparison there right off the bat....really setting high hopes there! Props to Brian for throwing in the Drew Tate comp as an aside, at least. (And Tate Forcier who completely flamed out....hahaha...what are you doing, man!?)

FieldingBLUE

August 12th, 2019 at 11:54 AM ^

Brees was my first thought too. His profile was much more under the radar, though it was 1996/97. He literally begged for offers and didn't get many (even before his HS ACL injury), coming up from Texas to Purdue.

If McNamara ceiling is BREES, we are great. I see more Brett Basanez in him. Which means one great senior year perhaps. I'd take that. We'd be back in the old days of Michigan starters getting 1-2 years in the spotlight and getting drafted high.

MaizeBlueA2

August 12th, 2019 at 11:26 PM ^

Which is why Drew Tate is spot on.

Not sure why everyone is glossing over that comparison. He's not Forcier because he can't run like him. But Drew Tate wasn't a runner (look at his stats).

If he's Drew Tate, that's a solid B1G QB who can definitely help you in a pinch. That's not a Hesiman winner, but that's someone who can lead a team to the CFB playoff with the right talent around him.

Personally I think it's moot because it'll go Shea to Dylan to McCarthy, but what the hell do I know.

RAH

August 12th, 2019 at 11:40 PM ^

I wasn't thinking YMRMFSPA. It was just struck me that he sounded just like Tarkenton. About same size, not a runner but a scrambler (didn't want to run for yardage, just wanted to avoid tacklers until he could get a pass off), not a particularly strong arm but able to get passes off despite pressure by throwing on the run and changing arm angles when needed.

dragonchild

August 12th, 2019 at 11:10 AM ^

I'm worried about a guy who supposedly puts in that much work yet has accuracy issues by HS standards.  I'm not openly questioning the guy's effort, but taking it at face value, effort-to-reward is a concern, as well as his coachability.  What I mean is one of these possibilities, in no particular order:

  • He's not blessed and thus has to work 10x harder to get the same results.  Bully for him, but it also means he's already close to his ceiling and may not get much better.  (See:  Denard Robinson but much slower, i.e. as a pocket passer)
  • He's trapped in a loop of self-scouting and refinement without much quality coaching, teaching himself bad habits that he may not be able to re-program.  (See: Wilton Speight, Devin Gardner)
  • His bad habits aren't physical, but mental.  As in, for all the work he puts in, he's never been "taught how to learn" so he's just brute-forcing everything.  In which case he first needs to talk to a developmental psychologist or other before he can benefit substantially from coaching, which probably isn't going to happen.
  • He's injured?

I mean, I dunno.  None of these are character issues, and plenty of players who wanted to be QBs washed out in the HS to college transition alone.  I'd expect most HS QBs to have consistency and accuracy issues.  But I would expect a HS kid noted for practicing like it's a full-time job to be ahead of the curve in those categories.

If he thrives on chaos, though, no problem -- we can just go back to fielding guards at tackle.

*ducks*

Blue eNVy

August 12th, 2019 at 11:44 AM ^

Those are all great points.  I'm not sure who's been his QB coach for the last half decade, but I can't imagine it's someone exceptional. As a Reno local, I'm definitely pulling for the kid, but I don't see him as someone who's going to be a multiyear starter pulling in the Davy O'Brien or sitting in NY in December.  Given what I've read and seen live I figure he's going to be a great depth guy who when/if has to step in it won't feel like the world is going to end. But honestly who the hell knows?  Maybe he is a "poor-man's" Shea and lights it up in a couple years as a facilitator of speed in space.

P.S. it was pretty cool to see my old HS coach quoted on MGoBlog.

 

Robbie Moore

August 12th, 2019 at 4:47 PM ^

Harbaugh loves himself some Irish quarterbacks. McCaffery, McNamara, McCarthy. Patterson is Irish as well. As is, and this crucial, Brady. So the guys who move on are undoubtedly Milton and Johnson. Book it.

Forget looking a film, measuring at camps and all the rest. It's all crap. Simple question...does the kid have an Irish heritage?

LKLIII

August 12th, 2019 at 12:23 PM ^

Only time will tell, but I agree that McNamara's profile really depends on what our expectations for him really are within the QB room.  If for some crazy reason the high-ceiling talent all wash out, get hurt, or transfers, the risk is that he's a low-ceiling starter:  "Denard Robinson, but slow."

On the other hand, if one of the high talent guys DO work out, he could end up being a very solid back-up/depth guy:  "Alex Malzone, with more consistency & command of the playbook."

Of course, these guys can develop much differently from their HS profiles--discussion about Drew Brees as a case in point.  This kid certainly isn't a scrub with only MAC level offers.  Even if one or two of them are only "offers" and not OFFERS, he's got a pretty solid offer sheet indicating that at least 1-2 of those very legit schools gave him a committable offers.

Bottom line is this is a good guy to have in the class & I'm glad we have him.

 

Mr Miggle

August 12th, 2019 at 1:56 PM ^

I find it hard to compare anyone to Alex Malzone. The only time I saw him throw was running a two minute drill in the spring game. He didn't attempt a single throw more than five yards downfield.

That does bring to mind an unpleasant thought. How many seasons did we go without a solid backup at QB? I am glad to see the return to the old days in that regard.

LKLIII

August 12th, 2019 at 2:23 PM ^

Fair enough.  You could swap out that term & use some other comparison.  I was just using Malzone as a prototype who was theoretically "OK" in all aspects of the game, but not amazing at any one thing.

The point is, it seems like McNamara could become a guy who wouldn't be able to put the team on his back to win a tough game, but a guy who could run the offense, allow the rest of the team to win most games, and even give the team a puncher's chance in the toughest games.

 

Wolverine 73

August 12th, 2019 at 11:54 AM ^

I really like the variety of QBs we have in the pipeline.  Different kids with very different skill sets.  We will see which skills translate best to the team.  Big arm but somewhat inaccurate, guy without as much arm talent who makes plays from all angles, guy who is very mobile and athletic.  Now, maybe we luck out and McCafferty and McCarthy turn out to be future first round draft picks, and the others don’t matter.  But you have to believe we have at least a couple guys who will be able to play big time college football at a high level in that group.

njvictor

August 12th, 2019 at 12:15 PM ^

Play style reminds me a lot of Russell Wilson. I really like Cade, but his path to seeing playing time at Michigan is going to be... interesting. Assuming his redshirt this year, McCaffrey is likely the starter for 2020 and 2021, unless McCaffrey goes pro after 2020 or Milton steps up. If McCaffrey stays for 2021, I'd expect Milton to transfer, which then opens up the QB competition for 2022 with RS junior McNamara, RS soph JD Johnson, and a redshirt freshman JJ McCarthy

ShadowStorm33

August 12th, 2019 at 12:36 PM ^

Three McQB’s in five years? If Dave Brandon was still here, he’d be drooling over the marketing potential; forget the noodle, he’d have golden arches put outside the stadium...

UMich2016

August 12th, 2019 at 2:14 PM ^

Personally I thought he looked really good in his spring game action.  Additionally, if Bama had him as their #1 QB, that says something obviously.  Not sure why the takes are so glum for this guy.

4th phase

August 12th, 2019 at 9:30 PM ^

I do wonder if that is just Gattis pumping up his guy though. Because bama took Taulia (Tuas Little brother) and Bear Bryant's great grandson so their QB recruiting was sort of over before it started in the 2019 cycle. 

Now I think Cade has a real good shot at being better than those guys (also better chance at seeing meaningful playing time than those guys), but still...

ST3

August 12th, 2019 at 2:54 PM ^

I had a visceral response to seeing him in the #12 jersey. The history of UofM QBs wearing #12 is mixed at best. Many of the recent names do fall into that dreaded "depth" category. Grbac and Gardner did wear #12, but each only wore it for one season. After that you have the Dreisbach's of the world. Great Michigan men, but they don't have the same legacy as the #7s of seasons past.

https://bentley.umich.edu/athdept/rosters/search.php?data=football&lastname_option=equals&lastname=&firstname_option=equals&firstname=&number_option=equals&number=12&year_option=equals&year=&startyear=&endyear=&letter_option=equals&letter=&position_option=equals&position=&class=any&hometown_option=equals&hometown=&state=&highschool_option=equals&highschool=&sortby=lastname%2C+firstname%2C+year&find=FIND

outsidethebox

August 12th, 2019 at 3:20 PM ^

I believe that Cade, if given a chance, will be a significant "over-achiever". Here, the speed may increase and the windows decrease rather significantly but this is a kid who is exceptionally bright, is the quintessential leader, is competitive as hell and has no quit in him. There are interview clips out there that will demonstrate that he is the definition of "it". He is the kind of kid whose teammates will run through a brick wall to make a play for him. The value that this kind of kid brings to your team is off the charts. 

The problem for Cade at Michigan is that there is only one ball and right now there are three excellent QBs ahead of him and more coming in behind him. And because he is not the physically uber-talented specimen he may not get a shot here. He is going to have the shine at every opportunity he is given. 

njvictor

August 12th, 2019 at 4:32 PM ^

If you really break it down though, he has a chance to play if he progresses as he should. In 2020, it will almost for sure be McCaffrey then in 2021 it will be McCaffrey again or Milton, and if Milton doesn't get the job in 2021 then I'd expect Milton to transfer. Then after that, it's McNamara's job to lose unless Johnson or or RS frosh McCarthy takes the job

SMart WolveFan

August 12th, 2019 at 9:17 PM ^

He definitely showed leadership qualities in his "commit recruiter" role, he may not ever be the starter but he'll be able to command a huddle and help his team get better.