Neck Sharpies: Mr. Dantonio’s Opus Comment Count

Seth

My videos had trouble uploading. Here’s DGDestroy’s every snap for now.

Mark Dantonio came prepared for this game. He had thoroughly scouted this Michigan defense, learned how it adjusted to motions and angles, and put together a bewildering drive plan that kept everybody confused and got State the matchups they wanted. It must have taken hours of watching game film and practice to make it all work. He could have used it for the game-winning points against, oh, Northwestern, or Maryland, or Indiana.

But this is Mark Dantonio. This drive was always intended for Michigan. It used Michigan’s own ideas, exploited Michigan’s tendencies and personnel. It was a coaching masterpiece he made for us. Let’s appreciate it.

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Play 1: Jet to Split Zone

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This play sets up the rest of the drive. Jet motion from RJ Shelton pulls the WLB, McCray, out of the box, effectively removing a linebacker from where they’re planning to run.

The split zone means the play’s backside DE is blocked by the fullback, freeing up the RT to block Godin. The plan at the playcall is to hold a linebacker outside with the jet motion and zone run into the remaining four-man (two DTs, a DE and the MLB) front with all five offensive linemen.

But Godin and Glasgow have a stunt on here. That could kill Michigan since Gedeon gets a releasing center on him and Glasgow is putting himself out of the backside B gap with the stunt. Godin made a great play to shoot underneath the right guard and push that guy down the line to squeeze the gap out of existence. Like a Roman at Cannae, the back is trapped behind his own men until the Carthaginians have hacked their way through.

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Also note that the jet motion to the boundary side played with Michigan’s OLB designations. McCray ends up the guy covering a slot type in space while Peppers is lined up a foot away from a big tight end.

Anyway, great play Godin. Second and long.

[After the JUMP: a counter off a counter off a counter]

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Play 2: Unbalanced Power

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The video didn’t capture it but State shifted their tight end and a receiver over to the field side quickly after coming to the line. This flipped the strength of the formation and caught Michigan with their personnel a little out of whack. They’d seen that Michigan aligns their DL and Peppers to the tight end, and the linebackers to the field/boundary. So they went unbalanced, which is like those covered formations Colorado was using except the tight end and tackle switch spots to keep everyone eligible. The result is a front that isn’t what it seems:

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In both instances what’s technically the center of the offensive formation is that right guard, so the defensive line should align accordingly. Michigan does so. It also got Jourdan Lewis into a SAM-like role as the nickel back, which will matter later on.

With the running back on the field side that’s four receivers on one side to deal with. Putting all those receiving options opposite the side the run threatens is normally a good way to open up running space to the TE’s side (Harbaugh loves to do that). But State’s plan is the opposite: put all of their best blockers to the same side as Michigan’s more pass defender types and overwhelm.

The play they ran is backside power, which pulls the left guard to the side that already has two tackles and the other guard:

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That might have worked too except Taco, who surprised them a bit by having the B gap (between the tackles) shot up under the OT so fast that LJ Scott couldn’t cut outside.

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If #79 (Kodi Kieler) could just fight Taco down the line there should be room for a bounce-out with the pulling guard taking Gedeon. If the pulling guard saw this and hit Taco, that opens up #79 to hit Gedeon. Nobody else is around because the bubble action pulled Lewis outside, and Dymonte Thomas was playing in the parking lot as Michigan was playing 10 on 11 in the running game to be better at defending a pass.

Alas, Michigan State’s OL are crap, Taco is awesome, and Scott can do nothing but try to spin out a yard or two. He can do so only because the other guard and the center are holding Glasgow and Godin like whoah.

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Play 3: RB Clearout

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The conversion is on Gedeon, who lost LJ Scott in man to man coverage. However I think one of the reasons that happened is Dantonio knew and planned for the little details of Michigan’s defense.

The play isn’t all that complicated. The Spartans came out in 3-wide personnel and split Josiah Price, their tight end, out to the wide side Z (setting up something further down the line). The backside slot receiver has a look-back at 8 yards in case Michigan’s blitzing his side.

But really the point here is to isolate LJ Scott against Ben Gedeon, and punish the middle linebacker for threatening blitz. Remember our defensive coordinator, ol’ Dr. Blitz, never wants you to feel comfortable under center. Even when he’s not blitzing he wants you thinking about it. True to form, before the snap Gedeon will come up even further:

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I think O’Connor and Scott are watching this, and O’Connor calls for the snap when he’s got Gedeon just three yards off the line of scrimmage. Closer to the line means less room to react in pass coverage. With Michigan leaving two safeties high and running man coverage underneath them, the four-wide look has pulled everybody away. Gedeon will probably test well at the combine this year, but LJ Scott is a superior athlete.

Inside five yards a little contact is fine, but Scott barely needs the little stiff arm he gave a flat-footed Gedeon before breaking outside:

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Scott leaves Gedeon in the dust and has the first down before Cov2 safety, Hill, can come down on this. I’m sure Brian will give Gedeon a (deserved) negative for this play, but I hope he gives Dantonio and co. props for setting up a one-on-one matchup they can win for a crucial early conversion.

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Play 4: Power Heavy

I’m getting angry at the cameraman’s pore-o’-vision because live I was watching State come out with six offensive linemen and quickly shifting their formation after coming to the line. On TV we are watching LJ Scott’s nostrils:

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The red arrow shows a lineman racing to a new position before Michigan’s defensive line can figure out what’s going on. One frame before NOSTRILVISION 2000 we get a shot of the extra OL goal line formation they showed:

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Michigan still has their nickel/4-3 personnel out there, where Peppers is the SAM. State was prepared right after the conversion to get their heavy personnel out there. It’s too late to substitute, which means Michigan has 4 DL, 2 LBs, a hybrid, and four DBs facing 6 OL, 2 TEs, a fullback, and LJ Scott. Before Michigan can make sense of this, the Spartans sent the two tight ends to the other side, resulting in this:

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And this:

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Michigan State has also been coached to notice that Godin is a bit off the line, a pretty sure sign that Michigan is going to stunt him. The inside left tackle (Kieler) is ready for this and blocks Wormley; the outside left tackle (#61) sets up for the inevitable Godin—that guy will get absolutely destroyed but with the play going inside this is another RPS win for State, who’s running right at the gap that Glasgow is slanting out of. Who’s got that A gap now? Would you believe it’s Jourdan Lewis?

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This goes as badly as you might imagine. By shifting the strength of their formation late they are set up to double-team Michigan’s weakside end, Taco. That block goes extremely well for MSU, with Taco ending up sealed inside the hash. The H-back pops McCray then moves down to Peppers as the pulling guard arrives to seal McCray on the wrong side of his blocker. That leaves Scott and his fullback escort to hit the hole, where only Lewis remains:

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The fullback would win that matchup to seal Lewis outside because #45’s got 100 pounds and a better angle on Michigan’s field cornerback, but Lewis stood his ground well enough to funnel to the next tackler, which is Delano Hill.

If Harbaugh wasn’t the head coach eating this I wonder if the manballity of it would have brought a tear to his eye. I’m flat-out impressed that they managed to pull this off and get that kind of matchup. Think of all the practice time burned getting this package ready to fly in after a 3rd and long conversion, to shift the strength of the formation while the defense is still confused, and run it enough times to recognize curveballs like Michigan’s under slant, without any weird guys getting lost in the mass of bodies. Come collect your 8 yards, Michigan State: you’ve earned them.

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Play 5: Power Heavy Again

Now that they’ve got a good personnel set State is going to stick in it, with #61 Cole Chewins staying in the game as the extra OT. They run out in the same formation with the two TEs to the left so Michigan will align their DL that way again, then State did the same thing again, flipping the inline TE to the other side then motioning the other TE (I’m calling him an H-back) to the other side.

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Same formation, same play, except to the other side.

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Both DTs get doubled, with Godin getting shoved outside that hash to create the hole, with the pulling guard and H-back (blue lines) lead blocking to pick off linebackers (the SAM standing in the middle of the hoplite helmet is Peppers), with the H-back getting Peppers and the guard latching onto Gedeon. The other side of that hole is Wormley versus Chewins, who got stood up and discarded because he is ass and Wormley is very much not. Wormley’s about to tackle in the backfield when Chewins tackles him (no flag) at the waist. Cheaters! That lets Scott hit the hole, where he and the guard combine their weight to shove Gedeon another yard, giving up the first down before Scott can fall forward for another two.

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Play 6: Jet Motion Inside Zone

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Back to the same principle that they started the drive with, again with more shifting the strength of the front. This time they lined up in an Ace Twins stack, then motioned the H-back (it’s #22 Delton Williams, who’s a kind of running back/fullback kind of player) to the tight end’s side, then when that guy was stopped they had the slot receiver go in a jet motion. Michigan already had their DL set against the inline tight end so this is fine.

Remember what the jet motion is supposed to do: force a linebacker to go out there and guard him. In this case Peppers was already hanging around off that edge with Dymonte Thomas behind him: Michigan’s reaction to the jet is to have Stribling, in man coverage, come across with the guy.

Remember what the jet does: it pulls one of your run defenders away. But with Stribling in man coverage on that guy and staying in such, it means another defensive back to the side State isn’t running. The result is five run defenders versus MSU’s best five blockers, and a C/G doubleteam on a linebacker at the point of attack.

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Two interior OL on the WLB should create enough space for a back as good as LJ Scott to pick whatever hole the free hitter, Gedeon, doesn’t go to. McCray won this by standing up to that double. Gedeon shoots into the obvious gap, and Scott has to cut inside to try his luck against the McCray block. His luck is such that he’s running behind the worst Michigan State offensive line in a decade. McCray comes through the double and could tackle for a loss when the guard has to release and block Gedeon, but the center used the opportunity to grab McCray around the waist and go for a piggyback ride (Cheaters!). McCray and Gedeon get enough to trip Scott up for a one yard gain.

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Play 7: Jet Reverse Sweep

Same formation as above, basically, with their fullback in there instead of the H-back. Again they use jet motion, and again Michigan has Stribling go with him. But this time the jet man, R.J. Shelton, jets right past the formation, then turns around to become the wingback. DUDE. Mr. Dantonio and staff, I want to shake your hands. This is something Harbaugh ran against Illinois for a long McDoom run just last week, and while Stribling didn’t wind up with question mark bubbles over his head like the Illini CB, Channing still has to fight through a ton of wash to get back chase this down. Plus it was set up by the play right before it. Kudos MSU.

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Again they weren’t surprised by Godin stunting out when he started in that off alignment. The center cut Glasgow’s knees to make sure he couldn’t get across and into the backfield before it’s too late, and the fullback’s arc block ably popped Godin to open up the edge. The other receiver went inside to crack a safety—he nails Delano Hill as Hill got too aggressive to the hole and wound up in the wrong gap. So now it’s a game of momentum between the force player (Jourdan Lewis) versus the pulling guard for how much running room there’s going to be outside of Hill. That goes as well as when Michigan did it, and State collects the 12 yards this bought before Stribling catches up.

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Play 8: Jet Fake to Split Power

You are starting to pick up on the masterfulness of this drive’s scripting, right? Here’s another note struck at just the right moment, as State again uses jet motion to yank defenders aside before jamming it down their throats. The video missed it but State again lined up with the TE to the field side and moved him over to the other, causing Michigan to end up with Winovich as the Anchor (Wormley’s normal job) and pulling Peppers into an inside linebacker role.

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They catch Michigan’s DL slanting which makes it a bit easier, since the planned double-team on Mone doesn’t have to be: the right guard can release and cut off Peppers, who in the constricted space inside can’t do his teleportation thing and is thus just a 200 pound linebacker. He gets sealed.

On the frontside, McCray has spent himself getting into the backfield, where the fullback is waiting for him. Winovich gets blocked down by the tight end and only spins off when his foot’s at the hash. Here’s the key moment:

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If Winovich could have stood up when he realized he’s going where they want him to, that prevents the the guard from getting to Gedeon and this play goes nowhere. Blown down as he was, however, Winovich can still spin off and form up in the hole. As the guard goes by, that’s what happens. The tight end (Price) realizes he’s no longer got a seal, and about to leave an unblocked DE right in Scott’s path.

Here’s Winovich about to…    Wait, where’s he going?      Winovich?

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So, yeah, the defeated TE gave Winovich a good shoulder yank as Scott shot by. Cheaters! But let’s not let that undermine another good playcall. Michigan didn’t react to the jet but they still got stuck with their LB/DE hybrid playing the heavy DE role, and MSU got that guy most of the way taken care of with a TE downblock.

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Play 9: Split Zone

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More pre-snap motion and this time they shuffle the fullback to boundary, then move the inline TE off the line and motion him to an H-back role on the other side. Again this means Michigan’s DL is caught flipped from what they want to be, with Winovich on the TE’s side, Hurst the nose, and Mone the DT.

Hurst shot upfield to delay the block from the TE/H, and the RT spent too long trying to help on that before releasing to the next level. The center had a free release on McCray, who whooped him, so the RT’s block hits McCray instead. The TE hits Gedeon at the same time, but Peppers is the free hitter and has had plenty of time to stack up in the hole, so this gets stopped for the one yard a momentous LJ Scott gets against Peppers the inside linebacker.

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Play 10: Jet Reverse Sweep Fake to Frontside Packers Sweep

Michigan’s down to all sorts of backups when the counter to the Jet Reverse comes, and boy does it hit hard.

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McCray especially bit hard on Shelton reversing into the backfield, which let the TE seal him way way inside. Gedeon reacted to the fullback, who came down like it was going to be a run to the field side (State knew Michigan’s keys). Hurst again shot upfield but the center just stayed in front of him (the guy Winovich shed falling into Hurst’s knees could have been called for a cheap chopblock, but it’s clearly unintentional). Hurst making it into the backfield was probably the only shot this play had of being stopped.

With McCray blocked well inside and two guards pulling free against Dymonte Thomas and Channing Stribling this is going to not go well. Thomas eats one guard, Stribling gets sealed outside by another, and Scott is at the five yard line before Metellus is there to end it.

The cameras find a Michigan fan in the Spartan student section:

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Very kind of his friend to lean forward, or he might night have seen that #1 signal.

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Play 11: Split Zone Redux

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After motioning the TE from the boundary to the backfield, they’re back to this zone-like version of Michigan’s double ISO. Michigan’s got their starters back in, and it goes the same way Play 7 went, except this time the DE is Taco and he and unblocked Peppers meet it in the backfield.

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Play 12: Inverted Veer/Power Read

For the coup de grace, State once again adds a 6th OL and has multiple tight ends flipping sides after coming to the line. This time the crappy extra OL Chewins is the right tackle, and he starts with a tight end outside of him. Both starting OTs and the better tight end (Price) are already on the field side.

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Price will back out to let #81 be the inline guy, and the fullback will motion to an H-back position. The quarterback will step out to a shotgun. It’s inverted veer.

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Note that MSU has all of its best blockers, including the pulling right guard, blocking at the point of attack. The quarterback reads Taco, who probably should’ve realized all of his help is inside and LJ Scott is way more dangerous than Tyler O’Connor.

McCray got cracked inside by the inline TE, and Price stalks Dymonte Thomas to seal him inside too. Now it’s down to a fullback lead block versus…sigh…Jourdan Lewis.

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Also Hill took a bad angle. Michigan State collects a well-deserved 6 points.

Bravo.

Comments

El Tostador

November 2nd, 2016 at 12:50 PM ^

They called some really great plays on this first series to be sure.  But it doesn't go nearly as well for them if the don't get uncalled holding on almost half of their plays.

mGrowOld

November 2nd, 2016 at 1:22 PM ^

Sort of like the days of the uncalled PI when the MSU corners were in press coverage right?  What I tip my hat to Danonio over is his shrewd understanding of the human dynamic in officiating and the fact that they are extremely reluctant to want the perception to exist they overtly influenced the game.  So if you hold on EVERY play there is a very, very small ilkelyhood they will call it on every play.  In fact they will usually start grading on the curve "this holding was nearly as bad as the last one I called so I'm going to let it slide" plus the desire to help out the underdog means you can hold (or commit pass interference) every play but only have it called once or twice a game tops.

It's brilliant really.  Have a bad o-line?  Teach them to hold on every play and dare the officials to call it.  If you get away with 9 out 10 plays you've massively won the battle.  And it's clear to me Dantonio understands this.

kevin holt

November 2nd, 2016 at 2:23 PM ^

Except they got away with it on every play. Minus one we might overlook: their 4th down that Lewis stopped. Lewis goes low on Scott who tries to hurdle him; Thomas gives chase as well and would have a shot to tackle but is held back (which a flag was ACTUALLY THROWN FOR WHOOPEE!!!). If Scott hurdles Lewis successfully it's a TD and we would have been infinitely more furious but for the actual holding call that would've saved us. So at least there's evidence they knew holding existed and were willing to call it on a pivotal play.

Anyway my point is that it was much more than 9/10 so you are correct that it was worth the risk. BUT the 10-yard penalty is kind of tough to overcome and I don't think it's worth risking it the entire game in football generally. If they just called it even a single fuckin' time (save the above) then the given drive would have ground to a halt. Holding drives me batty

FieldingBLUE

November 2nd, 2016 at 2:30 PM ^

And it's not just Dantonio, though he seems to be the master of this. Wisconsin has always done this (and Minnesota too) with their offensive line. They hold like crazy knowing it won't always get called.

I noticed more of the holding late in the game when Sparty was passing but good Lord was it bad on that drive. It was clear that the OL/TE are taught to hold at all costs. They tackled and held and grabbed and pulled, knowing that if they get caught, the drive may stall but at least it's better than struggling through 2-yard plays over and over.

SeattleChris

November 2nd, 2016 at 12:54 PM ^

I was going nuts at the TV for M not setting the edge on some of these plays esp. Winovich when he was pinned inside and Lewis for not doing the cut/takeout of the FB on the TD play, thinking it was fundamentals, but it was actually State executing on a well scouted and scripted drive that RPS'd the shit out of us. As a former fullback, there is nothing more you like than being matched up with a corner on a run play. I would love to see the adjustments we made and/or stupid things State did to take them out of these matchups as the game wore on. You're right - maybe Harbaugh's effusive compliments of Dantonio are not hyperbole? Well done, Seth!

LBSS

November 2nd, 2016 at 12:56 PM ^

Question for those who've watched a lot more tape than I have: How common is holding, really? Like is the amount of holding Seth points out on this play typical? Hard to tell in real time.

Yo_Blue

November 2nd, 2016 at 1:15 PM ^

There's a lot of grabby, reachy stuff on the interior that goes uncalled.  It's when a run bounces outside that it is easily visible to the officials, or when a DL breaks through the line and is tackled.  Officials are not going to flag a play where an OL grabs a handfull or two of jersey.

dragonchild

November 2nd, 2016 at 1:24 PM ^

There's holding and then there's holding.  By far the most common forms of holding that I see are:

  1. Offensive tackles "engaging" edge rushers too long.  It's legal (as a matter of practice anyway) to grab & pull the jersey at the chest, but if you fail to mirror the DE's movement you're trailing a guy from the side while still holding onto the jersey, which is a no-no.  The refs allow some wiggle room and tackles will make the most of it, so technically this is a ton of illegal but uncalled holds.  Boo-hoo.
  2. Related to #1, blocks which started out legal but the angle changed.  O-linemen can't see the guys they're protecting, but the defenders they're blocking can, so sometimes the defender will react to ballcarrier motion and abruptly change direction that turns a legal block into a hold.  At this point you're supposed to let go.  If you don't, again, the refs will typically let you get away with it for the better fraction of a second since it's arguably unintentional, but some guys cheat because they can slow pursuit that way.
  3. Sneaky jersey tugs of the sort that are more meant to annoy and hamper than anything else.

These can happen on any play, or even every play.  When people complain about "holding on every play" they're really complaining about these while trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.  It's annoying if a lineman takes half a second too long to disengage a guy who went from attacking upfield to chasing downfield, but the play was going for yards anyway.  Tackles will hold to the bitter edge of defeat but they're usually savvy enough to know when to let go before getting flagged.  If you pull a guy's jersey from the side for more than a second or in a way that obviously impedes movement it's usually called.  Sneaky tugs are to be expected if you're a disruptive defender that's more often than not blowing up plays in the backfield.

And then there's the nonsense that happened in the MSU game, which are on a whole 'nother level of cheating.  These were full-blown, horse-collar grabbing & yanking jerseys from behind within a few feet of the referee.  Honestly, if B1G officiating wasn't a complete joke I think the calls alone would be probable cause for a gambling investigation.

kevin holt

November 2nd, 2016 at 12:56 PM ^

So on the last play: that's definitely Taco's fault right? Looks like if he takes Scott we stop O'Connor for a very short gain (if that) and Peppers probably annihilates him. Then it's 3rd and goal from the 3 (at best) and we might have a good chance to stop them. So what gives? Seems like that was actually not a great play call except that Taco biffed it and we might not have expected MSU to run it.

Seth

November 2nd, 2016 at 1:16 PM ^

Dude they've been hitting us with heavy stuff and jet all the way down the field and flipping formation strength almost every down to put the DEs in the wrong spot, and then they break out Ohio State's bread 'n butter play. Yeah Taco should play the RB as the greater threat, but Michigan's faced this and practiced against it mostly for quarterbacks to be the first run option. In context I thought it was a great playcall.

kevin holt

November 2nd, 2016 at 2:27 PM ^

Yeah that's what I mean by not expecting them to run it. In context you're right. One other thing though: if MSU could keep us off-balance so much by basically changing their entire freakin' offense, why didn't they somehow continue throughout the game? Why does it have to be scripted to get such an advantage?

Pepto Bismol

November 2nd, 2016 at 1:17 PM ^

I don't know what the defensive plan is there.  I would think Charlton has an assignment - to take the RB or the keeper.  Or force it one way or another.  Take the QB until he gives and then track down the back.  This could've been the shifting formation screwing with the back 7 and not having adequate support to contain Scott.  Or it's possible Taco was tired at the end of a long drive and screwed up.   

Pretty hard to assign definitive blame without knowing how Brown is trying to defend that concept.

TorturedClassof11

November 2nd, 2016 at 1:03 PM ^

I know it's fun to poke Mark Digiorno for being so singularly focused on Michigan (and still getting his ass beat) and using this set of plays here at the potential cost of a win somewhere else, as has been pointed out a couple times now. But I can't agree that he should have saved this for anyone else. A demoralizing pound-it-down-M's-throat opening drive like this would have really caught a slightly lesser team off guard. If Staee exectues this then gets a bit of luck on a turnover or quick stop (a longshot but that's why they play the games) they've got their biggest rival on its heels worried once again about bad rivalry juju. 

Thankfully we still beat their ass and it didn't matter, but there is/was no better time for a team like MSU to run this drive at all this season.

M go Bru

November 2nd, 2016 at 7:55 PM ^

Sparty has started fast in every game and is still in it by halftime. Then they get beat in the second half.

Sparty is a one trick pony and once the other team adjusts they get beat.

We adjusted after one drive and were leading at half by 17 points. We took our foot off the pedal too soon. And they threw the kitchen sink at us in the second half.

atticusb

November 2nd, 2016 at 1:08 PM ^

Ok, so a series of questions:

(1) For subsequent drives, up until it didn't matter anymore, Michigan held the MSE offense pretty much in check.  Is this because MSU went away from these plays/this approach, or becuase the Michigan defense adjusted?  If the latter, what was the adjustment?

(2) How many holding penalties should have been expected on this drive, given that not all holding is/should be called?

(3) Of course OSU will replicate MSU's efforts, so what systematic adjustment/wrinkle needs to be/can be adopted to punish attempts at MSE's approach?

(4) I've (We've?) been pleased with how McCray/Gedeon have worked out this year... but has their performance, and the fact that Peppers is almost always the third "LB" on the field, been masking lack of depth in the "traditional" LBs?  That is to say, what is our "4-3 heavy" alignment where I'm thinking that an additional MLB type (240+ lbs, run stopping) comes in with Peppers moving to, e.g., lines-up-in-the-box-safety?  Is that Furbush coming in?

(5) In play 8, above, are we in a 3-4 look because people aren't available, or does Brown have a 3-4 package he thinks can stop this kind of manball?

Indonacious

November 2nd, 2016 at 1:32 PM ^

I think Scott is quite a bit better than Weber. I am more concerned about samuels but the problem they are facing is that Samuels is also one of their valuable receiving threats, so moving him to the backfield takes away some of his receiving abilities out of the slot.

Seth

November 2nd, 2016 at 1:48 PM ^

1) I left this for Brian otherwise this would basically be UFR.

2) Here are the holds I saw with the benefit of replay:

  • Play 2: Interior holds like on the DTs here rarely get called. These are just your run-of-the-mill hands outside things that occur so often they're rarely worth notice. I pointed them out because they prevented a TFL.
     
  • Play 5: Chewins tackles Wormley on the end on that 2nd & 2. The sideline judge should have had a good view of it, but he was probably watching the ball. That happens often; let's say this one's called 50% of the time. 
     
  • Play 6: This happened on a double-team when one guy let go. I didn't catch it until the 3rd time I saw it. If the ref saw him jump on McCray's back it's a flag, but it happened so quickly in a pile of bodies, so doubtful it gets called most of the time.
     
  • Play 7: This is the first one I'm really mad at. Ref is staring RIGHT AT THIS:imageimageimageThat's an unconscionable missed call that turned a possible TFL into a big run.

So 1/4.

3) Ohio State will have different wrinkles. When you put stuff together like this it takes a ton of practice time. I'm sure the Buckeyes have used extensive practice time on stuff just for Michigan, but most teams aren't willing to use up that much of it just to dress up the score against Michigan.

That said, Michigan needs a better heavy response because Peppers as an interior linebacker isn't great.

4) I just said... Brown has a lot of personnel groups that are invisible because Peppers plays so many positions. His 4-4 is called "Tractor" and substitutes a linebacker for the SS--Michigan can get to tractor by having Peppers and Hill play linebacker-like. It's an interesting philosophical question because until now that worked fine against heavy stuff.

I think Michigan should have a 5-3 package ready eventually if their opponent goes with an extra OL, with Rashan Gary replacing one of the safeties. It wasn't something anyone tried against us before, but they'll burn some practice time on it to have an answer.

5) Big RPS play. Michigan went with their 3-3-5 on 2nd and long and blitzed the backside with a zone blitz. Michigan adjusted to the jet with this zone blitz--they had Lewis out there defending nobody and Metellus WAY high. MSU got the matchups they wanted.

AC1997

November 2nd, 2016 at 2:17 PM ^

While I agree that a lot of holding goes on in the trenches that rarely gets called, I do think MSU had a plan here in this game like the earlier poster said.  If you start getting beat, hold - they can't call it every time.  It worked for MSU with their DBs for years and it works for Izzo with his physical defense.  

Where I remember it happening was late in the game on some of the cosmetic MSU success when Taco and Glasgow were blatantly held.  Interior holding goes uncalled, except when the RB runs past your NT and he can't even reach an arm out because his shoulder is being held.  DE's sprinting around the corner at the QB and being tackled gets called 90% of the time.  

It seemed that MSU had a good plan to hold if needed and it aligned with an officiating crew that seemed determined  not to call it much.  They would rather call any minor contact in the secondary as PI (except when Darboh's arm is held).   

atticusb

November 2nd, 2016 at 9:56 PM ^

Thanks for the detailed reply.  I totally agree re: the 5-3 with Gary.  Peppers flexibilty plus Lewis/Stribling's great man-to-man help make this workable.  The 4-4 Tractor added LB is Furbush as far as we know?  Would you have Gary stand up and swing side to side with motion?

funkywolve

November 2nd, 2016 at 1:55 PM ^

I don't know if I'd say the Michigan defense held the MSU offense in check after the first drive.

MSU's second drive was 11 plays for 37 yds.  Started on the MSU 25 and ended on the UM 38 when UM stopped them on 4th down.

MSU's third drive was 7 plays for 41 yds.  Started at the MSU 25 and ended on the UM 34 when they kicked a FG.

MSU's fourth drive was 3 plays and punt.

MSU's fifth drive was 1 play interception (end of 1st half possessions for MSU).

MSU's sixth drive was 8 plays for 29 yds.  Started on the UM 33 and ended at the UM 4 when UM stopped them on 4th down.

MSU's seventh drive was 11 plays 58 yds.  Started on the MSU 25 and ended up on the UM 17 with a FG.

MSU's eight drive was 5 plays for 59 yds.  Started on the MSU 41 and ended with a TD.

MSU's ninth drive was 10 plays for 64 yds.  Started on the MSU 15 and ended on the UM 21 when UM sacked MSU on 4th down.

MSU's 10th drive was a TD with 1 second left.

I wouldn't exactly say the UM defense kept MSU's offense in check.  There was only 2 MSU possessions where they didn't move the ball inside UM's 35 yd line (granted after the Speight int MSU started inside the UM 35).  The UM defense did a good job of stiffening when MSU got into UM territory but it wasn't like the UM defense put the hammer down on the MSU offense after MSU's first drive.

Pepto Bismol

November 2nd, 2016 at 2:09 PM ^

I watched the condensed MSU offensive video posted on the forum.  Michigan never really got a handle on some of this stuff.  Donnie Corley broke a big sweep in the 2nd half almost identical to the one RJ Shelton popped on this first drive.  In general, MSU still had a lot of success running the ball.  

The difference seems to be that they chose to pass more - and they couldn't complete a pass.  They got dinged with a couple holding calls that put 'em behind the sticks and took away power run options.  And Michigan's D stiffened twice on 4th and short.  

All of that plus Michigan's offensive success combined to put them in a 17 point hole and all of a sudden it was the 4th quarter, Damion Terry came in and the game plan was scrapped.

 

But just zooming through that video, MSU seemed to keep a lot of the jet stuff going with a fair amount of ground success whenever they ran it.

maize-blue

November 2nd, 2016 at 1:09 PM ^

I think also the D playing flat as a pancake helped out as well. They knew all the stories about how much MSU's offensive line sucked and were not prepared for MSU being prepared.

Mojo Hall

November 2nd, 2016 at 1:12 PM ^

When Harbaugh took the team to FL for spring break, Dantonio's reponse was something like "we use these weeks to prepare for our rivals.  We have a week dedicated to each opponent."  I think that approach may have worked for him in the past with a lot of breaks and decent QBs.  This year they were very well prepared for ND and MI but seemed to forget about all the other teams.

Chaz_Smash

November 2nd, 2016 at 1:18 PM ^

Excellent work. I couldn't understand all the Twitter panic when this drive happened. How many times do we see a brilliantly-scripted first drive that has zero bearing on the rest of the game? Charlie Weis' first game against Michigan leaps to mind.

xtramelanin

November 2nd, 2016 at 1:32 PM ^

educational reading.  curious if other teams will run the same stuff -  ohio or IU for instance.   i mean, why wouldn't you? 

mGrowOld

November 2nd, 2016 at 1:35 PM ^

If Dantonio could see it and exploit it I dont think Meyers will swing and miss here.  And my guess is he'll be able to keep running variations on this for longer than one series too.

Cause like MSU they sort-of point to that last game you know.   Just a little bit.

jsquigg

November 2nd, 2016 at 3:40 PM ^

While I'm sure Urban will use jet action, I'm not sure they have the style of offense to gain similar advantages.  By no means am I saying they won't be prepared, I'm just saying that I think Michigan (for once) is more built to defend the spread.  MSU gained their advantages by doing things with personnel and formations that I doubt OSU will even broach.  OSU's offense also makes Peppers more of a weapon (think about that after the game he had!) than he already is against heavy offenses.  While that last game will no doubt be all out war, I can't remember feeling better about it since 2011.

Jevablue

November 2nd, 2016 at 1:35 PM ^

Seth,

After this drive, for about 2 quarters MSU really had nothing that resembled this kind of sustained drive.  Did they go away from it or did M just react to it better?  As easy as the first drive looked for them, it looked like it would a really long day. And then it wasn't.

Just curious

Ron Utah

November 2nd, 2016 at 1:53 PM ^

What many people forget about MSU's golden days on defense with Narduzzi was that they often gave up points or big yards on the opponent's first drive.  Why?  Because most defenses are going to come out using their best, tried and trusted plays.  These plays are on tape, they are not a secret.  Even UM's bad offenses often had a good first drive against MSU with Hoke.

As Dantonio did against us last weekend, you can use a defense's tendencies against them--for a drive.  Once the defense has identified your gimmicks, it's back to who can outsmart and outplay the opponent.

This is where great coaching is so important--Brown and the defense adjusted and, for the most part, shut down MSU's offense for the balance of the game.  The old Narduzzi units used to do the same.

While Brown is more crafty than most defensive coordinators and probably varies things more on opening drives, seeing a team move the ball effectively against us in the opening drive is no longer an accurate representation of what we can expect to see for the remainder of the game.  Brown will adjust, adapt, and improvise in order to take away the opponent's scheme.

Contrast this with Durkin's approach against OSU last year--the defense showed a new look and had early success.  Durkin kept running the same defensive plays, formations, and coverages.  OSU adapted, Durkin did not.  After early defensive success, Durkin's gameplan was annihilated by a superior opponent (both in terms of talent and scheme).

I don't expect we'll ever see that happen to Brown.

Hard-Baughlls

November 2nd, 2016 at 2:04 PM ^

His obsession with UM is pathetic lil bro.  They peaked last year with a bunch of luck.  As long as Harbaugh and Meyer stick around and recruit at a high level, he will be playing 3rd fiddle. 

That being said, I hope Don Brown is game planning for OSU a bit every week, but without affecting our weekly preparation for our current opponents. 

Wool Vereen

November 2nd, 2016 at 2:07 PM ^

Great breakdown. I had to convince a few fellow fans to calm down after that drive. Their reflex unwarranted panic at in quickly. I educated them on speed first drives, and they took my word for it.

That being said, I don't know what other content you've got planned for this week,but Michigan had a pretty dominant first Drive as well. Any chance you could dissect it as well? Is he nice to see the differences and similarities of the two approaches



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Wool Vereen

November 2nd, 2016 at 8:55 PM ^

Dude,I apologize. I usually proofread anything I type. Didn't do it this time. That whole post was a fail

What came out as speed, was meant to say Scripted.

But I do agree they had some pace to what they were doing. I thought a timeout would be good, but knowing the reality of first drives, I figured a timeout wasnt totally necessary



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bronxblue

November 2nd, 2016 at 3:03 PM ^

The sarcasm throughout this great analysis was the topper. Good stuff, even though it highlighted the possible (minor) flaws this defense could be susceptible to.