bronxblue

August 21st, 2015 at 1:18 PM ^

But nobody "got caught" here.  It's a bunch of email addresses and, in some cases, credit cards.  I'm guessing a number of credit cards were stolen and nobody noticed, and that millions of those email addresses used to sign up were either fakes used by someone else, "obtained" by ALM to pump up their numbers, or tied to people who maybe years ago checked out the site once but didn't do anything beyond it.

I get this is salacious, and as a happily-married man for 7 years, I get how infidelity can be incredibly damaging to everyone.  But people are treating a bunch of anonymous asshole "hackers" who stole credit card info and a list of email addresses as heroes for exposing, what?  That some people cheat on their spouses?  That a large number of people visit prurient websites?  As stated elsewhere, it's easy to make fun of people on the internet, but this isn't Snowden unearthing a bunch of information about government-sponsored spying on citizens.  Instead, this list is going to lead to a bunch of unnecessary headaches for people, some of whom I'm guessing did nothing worse than having their email address used to sign up for a sketchy website.

LostOnNorth

August 21st, 2015 at 2:08 PM ^

You people went to Michigan, did you not learn to think past your nose??? Everyone involved gets hurt by public shaming. Victim, Purpetrator, the kids, the parents the neighbors, everybody near the situation. 

It is not the responsibility of the public to punish people for their personal failings. This needs to be handled privately by those involved, and the victims need to decide how to proceed. 

You're doing this for personal amusement, not because you want justice. And even if you did, unless you were a victim, someone else's infidelity doesn't effect you and you should mind your own damn business. 

In reply to by LostOnNorth

CLord

August 22nd, 2015 at 12:57 AM ^

How you get upvotes is beyond  me.  Someone else's infidelity doesn't "A"ffect us?  How about the millions of faithful people out there that have to deal with their spouses receiving the advances of cheating scumbags who have no respect for the institution of marriage?

How would you feel about coming home to have your wife tell you some guy at work hit on her, knowing she was married?  For the millions of us faithful spouses out there, yeah, nothing gives us more pleasure than JUSTICE for this merry band of cheating, unfaithful people who do not value the gift of honesty for their spouses enough.  If they can't even respect their spouses enough honest and just get a truthful divorce, would they really respect the marriages of their colleagues or acquaintances?   

Sorry man, the "let's let people get away with affairs to spare the kids" argument is just, I can't even....

Bring on this public shaming and hopefully some in this generation will learn a lesson before the next generation of cheatesr quickly forgets it and gets right back to having the moral fiber of a soap dish.

LostOnNorth

August 22nd, 2015 at 5:34 AM ^

Nice strawman.

Firstly, public shaming won't suddenly make it harder for people to cheat because it doesn't address the fundemental issues of why people cheat on their spouses. Moreover historically there have been FAR worse punishments for adultery, but the threat of punishment doesn't seem to ever stop it because it never adresses the fundemental issues of why people cheat. So suddenly thinking public shaming is going to fix everything is delusional at best.

 

As someone who's seen infidelity in the family, that shit rocks the whole family, and I'm very glad that everyone involved in my family's situation had the decorum not to blast it because the kids of the unfaithful felt shitty enough as it is was.

Now if some asshole at work is hitting on your wife, then you as an involved party have the right to adress it. I personally would err on the side of discretion but being a personal matter, it is your decision how you want to handle the situation. 

But, that is not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is Joe Q. Internet publicly shaming people he's never met, or even more personally, you taking it upon yourself to publically shame people in your office for having an affair with each other. In the latter case, their infidelity doesn't directly affect you or your family, so you have no right to adress the situation. Why? Because you have no responsibility for addressing the consequences of exposing them and shaming them. You don't have to answer for what that public shaming might do to the family involved, and it would never be your place as a stranger to the family.

So finally, let's spell out what you're saying very clearly to the class. You're saying the collateral damage on innocent people caused by outing cheaters who you have no personal involvement with is an acceptable loss because of this dubious, unpoven theory that shaming will somehow end infidelity, which in turn will keep people from hitting on your wife.

That to me sounds jealous and selfish, not like you have the best interest of people at heart.

bronxblue

August 21st, 2015 at 1:01 PM ^

For signing up for a website?  Based on what I've read about ALM's actual client base, it sounds like a decent number of them weren't actually married or "looking to cheat" as much as looking for dates.  It was basically a skeevier OKCupid or Tinder.  There was also a bit of fantasy/role-playing going on, with people talking online but no really leading to anything beyond that.

I can only imagine that if I got ahold of everyone's search history/web behavior on this site, the vast majority would contain things that would make those people cringe.  The fact that anyone thinks this is "karma" shows a pretty jaundiced (and I think myopic) view of humanity.

bronxblue

August 21st, 2015 at 4:45 PM ^

Because "log in anonymously once and then leave when you see how much of a scam this place is" sounded too rough.  It's a website with a motto - this site used to have a motto about trusting in Brady Hoke and his gold horseshoe poops.  

I'm going to guess that the millions of people who signed up weren't all having affairs, even if a percentage of them were.  Honestly, it sounds like the typical user either checked out the site once to see what the site was about then never returned (maybe with no intent to cheat, or even the ability to cheat - i.e. single) or used it basically as a fantasy/dating site.  If I've learned anything from my single friends, people lie online about EVERYTHING, especially when looking for dates, and chances are a large number of "married" men and women on ALM were basically looking for someone to hook up with, marital status be damned.

LostOnNorth

August 21st, 2015 at 2:03 PM ^

Said it elsewhere, I'll say it again. Think of the victim. The only thing worse than your spouse cheating on you is having that fact blasted all over the world. Or worse, being the kids of an unfaithful parent and having to hear about it at school every day.

No you just enjoy a bit of schadenfruede at the expense of BOTH the asshole and the victim and you want to justify that by focusing only on the asshole. Don't be an asshole, this is a private matter for everyone involved. 

CLord

August 22nd, 2015 at 12:25 AM ^

Yes because truth is never a better option to lies and deception.  Well played.  Most "normal" people out there would prefer honesty and a divorce, ramifications regardless, to dishonesty and living a clueless, humiliating lie.  The lack of value you place on honesty and trust is problematic.  I'm hopeful you don't share your values with any impressionable young minds beyond this board.

Muttley

August 21st, 2015 at 1:26 PM ^

kept secret from your spouse/partner become something not considered hurtful?

(You don't need AM in an open relationship.)

I don't think this changes how someone's peers perceive of the conduct (from pariah to mild jerk).

It's just that a lot of 'em just got caught and are going to have to look their spouse/partner in the eye.

pdgoblue25

August 21st, 2015 at 12:04 PM ^

Should never get married.

Younger guys, never, under any circumstances pop that question until you are ready.  If a girl is pressuring you, just ride it out.  If she's pressuring you and you still can't pull the trigger that should tell you something.

oriental andrew

August 21st, 2015 at 11:27 AM ^

I assume that many of these are also alums who still have their old addresses which they never use and nobody would ever know and so on and so forth.

Or, as it has come out that they didn't do email verification, it's also possible that many were fake email addresses. 

Or, people are just that stupid. 

 

alanmfrench

August 21st, 2015 at 11:29 AM ^

Just in time for football season to start. The signs at games and gameday are going to be amazing.

For any of those people on that list who are actually married...you were asking for it.....enjoy.

Prince Lover

August 21st, 2015 at 11:30 AM ^

But is it that hard to pick up a date at a bar? In my bar hopping days, the saying was, if you didn't find a girl at the bar on that given night, you didn't try hard enough. I'm not saying you're walking out with Jessica Alba, but I doubt Jessica Alba is on Ashley Madison either.

JamieH

August 21st, 2015 at 6:43 PM ^

as someone who is now married but used internet dating for a while before getting married, I can just say that meeting women on-line, at least for me, was about 10 billion times easier than it was at a bar, especially when you have a busy work schedule and don't have time to really hit bars on a frequent basis.

It was utterly terrible when it first started up, but by the mid 00's it was actually a completely viable way to meet women.

I hear that for the younger set now, Tinder makes it almost TOO easy to meet women.   If I had had Tinder in college I suspect my GPA would have been much worse.  But I probably would have enjoyed college more. 

CLord

August 22nd, 2015 at 12:59 AM ^

For the ones who aren't married, the shaming won't be as severe but it's still there.  These are the lovely folks out there with no respect for the institution of marriage, looking to score with married people.  "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."  Publicly shame them too. 

BOX House

August 21st, 2015 at 11:46 AM ^

This post is exactly what you'd see on RCMB if Michigan was #1. Until we can beat State on the field, I'm not interested in taking any shots at them for anything else. 

SFBlue

August 21st, 2015 at 12:01 PM ^

"Things are going to slide, slide in all directions

won't be nothing you can't measure any more

...

There'll be a breaking of the ancient western code

Your private life will suddenly explode...."

WestWolverine

August 21st, 2015 at 12:06 PM ^

There apparently was no email verification for signing up so you could use any email address you wanted. I suspect that a vast majority of the hacked accounts are people that legitimately had no idea their email was used other than a flood of emails from AM that appeared to be spam. The paid accounts are a different story, but the unpaid I'm assuming are friends pulling pranks on other friends. [email protected] was a popular "adulturer"

Denard P. Woodson

August 21st, 2015 at 12:10 PM ^

It troubles me to see all of the moral high ground comments on all media about this.  This information was illegally stolen from citzens engaged in a legal act.  This information was then disseminated to a reality TV based populous who loves to consider themselves the morality police.

For each of you that laugh or say "it's justice", "it's Karma" or "it serves them right", I ask you to think of 2 scenerios.

A) A group gets a hold of a list every porn site visit, and puts it in a searchable data base so that everyone of your friends, neighbors, spouces, parents, etc. can view it.  They will know what the names of every site you have ever viewed and how many times you viewed it.

B) A pro-life group publishes a list of every woman who has undergone a LEGAL abortion in the US.  It will list what age they were and how many they have had.

Be assured, there are moral groups in this country that would delight in both of those events.

If you derived joy or satisfaction from this event I ask you to internally reflect and decide what your true beliefes are regarding privacy in this country.

And if you loved something about this event, but did not enjoy the idea of A or B, then be glad, for today you get to be the morality police.  

Be glad, because someday you may not be.