5th Year seniors had to "audition" during spring practice

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This bummed out Keith Heitzman, which led to his transfer to Ohio University.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2015/07/22/ex-wolverine-heitzman-turned-off--tryout-under-harbaugh/30510509/

 

We've all heard some buzz about 5th years not being invited back, but this is the first time I've heard that there was a formal try out process.

Magnus

July 22nd, 2015 at 1:15 PM ^

That's not my point. We're all bummed that Michigan went 5-7. The poster above seems to be saying, "You're bummed, Keith Heitzman? That you have to bust your ass to stay on the team? You don't know the meaning of 'bummed' until you watch bad football from your couch!"

I could be wrong, but that's the way it came across to me.

LSAClassOf2000

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:43 PM ^

"Obviously, (Jim) Harbaugh coming in was going to change things at Michigan — do things his way," Heitzman told the Dispatch. "But I didn't know if I wanted to try out. That definitely took me off-guard. I was bummed out."

While it is unfortunate that Heitzman had misgivings about the process, I don't see where this is a problem and I think it could have been anticipated with the arrival of Harbaugh and wanting as clean a break from the previous several years as possible, up to and including doing his own evaluations of the available talent. Harbaugh is trying to put players in positions where they can succeed and develop and this would have been simply one part of that. 

jblaze

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:54 PM ^

if the players had to audition to remain on the team.

It's fair, because all scholarships are for 4 years and the players graduated (which is the essence and point of athletic scholarships). However, I'm not so sure that's true as there isn't a scholarship crunch this season.

If a player like Heitzman was say 3rd string, but wanted to be on the team and had a good attitude, why would Harbaugh (or anyone) want the kid gone?

jericho

July 22nd, 2015 at 1:26 PM ^

How can this possibly be shady?  What response do you think Harbaugh was looking for from his 5th years?  Either they are "bummed out" and move on to a differnt school or they say "Bring it on!" and compete like crazy.  Which do you want on your team? If you want to build a culture of competition and winning, you start be challenging them to compete and dominate every play, every practice, every week and every spring.  The fact that he didn't want to go through the hassle of proving himself again says that he doesn't deserve a 5th year.  No problem.  Here is your handshake and thank you for all of your sacrifices for the team.  Now, let's go find some people that want to prove themselves every single day.  It's not being a jerk.  It just is what the team needs.

Worthing

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:54 PM ^

you have to try out to make a D1 varsity sport? color me shocked, wait I tried out for just about every team I played for starting around the age of 7 or 8

BlueMan80

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:55 PM ^

choose to live by the rules or go.  If you are confident in your abilities, you'll stay and compete.  If you aren't, you'll bail.  Guess he wasn't confident and committed to proving it.  Bo ran a lot of guys off the team when he took over by making them prove their capabilities.  I always thought Hoke's teams lacked confidence in how they played, especially in road games where you need to manufacture your own motivation and can't count on the crowd lifting you up.  What Harbaugh is doing is a good thing for the team.

umumum

July 22nd, 2015 at 1:06 PM ^

This isn't like the Pipkens situation, which I am not at all comfortable with.  We should be honoring 4 year scholarships, because that's what players expect and because its the right  thing to do.  But we aren't guaranteeing 5 years.  Same as with Bielfeldt in basketball.

MLaw06

July 22nd, 2015 at 1:10 PM ^

Why are you even bringing up Pipkins?  That's totally different.  The guy wasn't medically fit to play and he thought otherwise.  That was a difference of opinion. 

Heitzman is not even saying he's disgruntled.  He's just saying that he didn't want to have to try out again so he took his degree and went to pursue a master's degree elsewhere.  Win win.

umumum

July 22nd, 2015 at 1:18 PM ^

You know no more about Pipkens medical status than I do.  You just choose to accept one version.  Obviously, Texas Tech's docs see it differently.  We don't really know yet how Harbaugh will be treating scholarships.  I am hopeful he will always do the right thing.

MLaw06

July 22nd, 2015 at 1:51 PM ^

The guy has had numerous serious injuries.  You don't need to read his health records to know that.  He's had 3 concussions.  If I were him, I'd be concerned about my health.  Harbaugh told him that he shouldn't play football in the short term OR the long term.  That's coming from a guy that loves football. 

You can believe whatever conspiracy theories you want, but the facts are the facts and the Michigan doctors gave their medical opinion.  I have no idea what type of doctors they employ at Lubbock, but for Pipkin's sake, I hope they are qualified and cautious in the advice they give the young man.

Undefined

July 22nd, 2015 at 2:43 PM ^

The way I read the situation was we told him that in order to play again he'd have to sit for at least six months. As an uncommon senior that would likely be the death knell of his playing career. He's transferring to Texas tech where he has to sit for a year anyway. I'm not sure that the two schools doctors were actually in disagreement.



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bacon

July 22nd, 2015 at 1:08 PM ^

It's too bad he was surprised and even bummed out that he had to "tryout" for the new coaches, but that's life. That said, I can understand the sentiment that he probably saw the writing on the wall, knowing that he wasn't going to make it, and I can also sympathize that he would have been in better shape if the coaches did have a history of seeing him in practice for four years. That said, I'm sure harbaugh looks at every day as a tryout, for everyone. That's part of his nature. The specific 5th years have to tryout is probably only going to be for this year. Next year, I'd imagine guys won't even get the chance to tryout. The decision will already have been made.

Leonhall

July 22nd, 2015 at 1:12 PM ^

It's really no different than those next year who will be given the "handshake" and on their way. Only difference this season is, jim was trying to give some of them a chance.



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ramenboy

July 22nd, 2015 at 1:23 PM ^

If this bothers him now, he won't be prepared for the "real" world, where it's not uncommon for there to be turnover in management, necessitating the worker bees to continuously prove themselves to the new bosses.  I once went through five different bosses in two years - each time I had to re-introduce myself and basically justify my position in the firm.

Kilgore Trout

July 22nd, 2015 at 1:31 PM ^

There are two sides of this that are pretty easy to argue and have merit. I'd just say make sure you would apply the exact same logic you apply here to Nick Saban, Les Miles, Urban Meyer or Mark Dantonio.



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Atlanta_Blue

July 22nd, 2015 at 1:45 PM ^

I have no problem with 5th year seniors having to prove themselves. Michigan lived up to its committment - this young man has a Michigan degree and no student debt.

Not to slam the kid, but most telling about Heitzman's ability to contribute on-field is where is he landed.

HelloHeisman91

July 22nd, 2015 at 2:03 PM ^

Bo's Lasting Lessons-Chapter 4 - Throw a Bucket of Cold Water

"When you take over a new operation, some people will tell you that you ought to lie low, and look around before you do anything. But that's not me--because I just don't think it works.
I say, whatever your philosophy, whatever your standards, whatever your expectations, you establish those on Day One. Don't waste a second! Let them adjust to you, not the other way around. You can always soften up if you need to, but you can't get tougher later on. It's a lot better to throw a bucket of cold water on them on your first day than it is to try to coax them into the cold water, toe by toe. Because they won't do it that way."

I think it's safe to say that Harbaugh brought a few buckets with him and if the kids don't want to get onboard, so be it. I consider this a test of will and passion and the fifth years jumping ship failed as far as I'm concerned.

Dawkins

July 22nd, 2015 at 2:11 PM ^

A scholarship spot at a power 5 football program should be based on merit. I'm one of the few people who doesn't have problem with oversigning for this reason. Let kids compete and try out for a spot at a top program, and give the scholarship to the most deserving player. If a kid gets beaten out, he can trasnfer to a smaller program that will offer him a scholarship, or if he's really at the school for its academics, then he can stay and finance his education with student loans like the rest of us did. 

Dawkins

July 22nd, 2015 at 5:27 PM ^

well right now a kid's worthiness to play for a power 5 program is based on what he accomplished on his high school team, and that's a crap shoot given the differing levels of competition in high school leagues across the country, the talent of your teammates, and the fact that kids aren't done growing and developing for most of their high school careers. that system results in less-deserving players who turn out to be "busts" taking up a scholarship that could have and should have gone to a more deserving player who wasn't permitted to join the team and "try out" for the team during spring and fall practice. if you decide to go to a school like Alabama or Oregon or Michigan, you're on notice that the competition is going to be high and you should not be able to rest on what you accomplished in high school.  if you want a sure thing, then go play for Eastern Michigan. But at a top program, I see no problem with making kids compete then awarding the scholarship to the most deserving player. 

people only look at this from the perspective of how it affects kid A who got offered under the 25 man rule, but would have to compete to earn his scholarship spot if oversigning were permitted. they never look at it from the perspective of kid B, who had less impressive high school film/stats than kid A, but would have beaten out kid A for the scholarship spot durign spring/fall camp if oversigning were permitted. 

uncleFred

July 22nd, 2015 at 2:36 PM ^

I would understand if Heitzman was required to audition and some other 5th year players were not, that he would feel "bummed out" In that case he could legitimately argue that he was valued less than some of his classmates. Mandatory auditions for all 5th years was simply part of the mechanism that Harbaugh decided to use this year to determine who to offer a 5th year scholarship. 

Heitzman decided not to avail himself of the opportunity to participate in that process. That's his right. I wish him well. 

Harbaugh mentioned on a couple of occasions that he did not use much film from previous seasons in assessing his players. So his primary vehicle to make that assessment is their performance in spring practice. It seems that he wanted to be sure that the 5th year players understood  the weight that would be placed on their performance in the spring. 

All that said, seniors contribute heavily to the leadership on the team. Were I a coach, I'd want those 5th years to be all drive and effort. I would not be surprised if one aspect of the formal "audition" was to measure the attitude of the player and perhaps how coachable they'd be under the new staff. Part of assessing if any given 5th player can climb the learing curve quickly enough to contribute in a single season in a new system. Can't know for sure but...

 

Don

July 22nd, 2015 at 2:38 PM ^

"I came in and instituted an extremely rigorous summer training program; there had been none and everyone told me it wouldn't work, that people wouldn't go for that in Ann Arbor. The team had a reputation for having good talent, but being soft. I did have some attrition, but the real football players stayed. I was harder on that Michigan team than I ever was on any other group... I killed them. I ran them into the ground."

"I was prepared for some attrition when I became Michigan's coach. I can honestly say we did not lose a guy who really could have helped us. I didn't lose any sleep over anyone who quit that spring..."
 




Meet Michigan's Meanest Man
Sports Illustrated, November 16, 1970

""As Bo says, he runs a tough football program," Dierdorf explains. "Run and run and run. The track team doesn't run as much as we do. And their coach isn't as mean, either."..."When something goes wrong during a practice a whistle blows and Schembechler roars in, wielding words like whips. Betts waits until the point is well made and the rage has ebbed."....

"This is a rough tough hard-nosed football program," says last year's Coach of the Year. "We run their tails off. Maybe three miles of sprints on Mondays. Then Tuesday and Wednesday we really hit. We bring the freshmen in and we go after them for a full two hours. But this is an easy team to coach. They are bright kids and we have some fun. If they don't like something, they know they can say it. That doesn't mean I'll change. But if I don't, I'll be sure they know the reason why."

Except for his open-door policy, Schembechler might have lost it all last year when he arrived from Miami of Ohio to replace Bump Elliott, who became assistant athletic director. He called in the team and said there was nothing ahead but hard work, a lot of hard work.

"And he changed everything," said Newell. "I remember I didn't like that and I didn't like him. I thought it was cool the way Bump ran things."

The Monday before 1969's opening game with Vanderbilt, Schembechler called in his defense. He wanted to know what was wrong. There was a lot of talk but nobody really said anything. Players began to leave. Finally the only player left was Newell.

"Pete," said Schembechler, "for 15 minutes you've been standing there telling me everything would be all right. But you're lying to me. What is the trouble?"

 Newell looked at him. As he remembered later, he was sweating like a soaked sponge. "O.K.," he said, "I'll tell you. I think you are an s.o.b."

"Fine," said Schembechler. "Now tell me why."
 

sadeto

July 22nd, 2015 at 2:38 PM ^

I don't think this is anything new, other than the way Harbaugh evidently handled it - telling all 5th years they had to compete. My understanding is coaches usually handle ths individually and invite some players back, and give others a handshake and a congrats on graduating and wish them well. I think coming out and saying all 5th years have to earn a spot is better, and fair. 

Congratulations to Heitzman on graduating and thanks for being part of the program. 

Vote_Crisler_1937

July 22nd, 2015 at 2:39 PM ^

As a Former Big Ten athlete who was given a 5th year I have absolutely no problem with this approach whatsoever. My coaching staff remained intact and so I was told my 5th year was contingent upon how I played/contributed my 4th year and what kind of recruits may sign. I earned the 5th year and told my company who hired me that I wasn't coming to work for them for at least one more year.

Since Harbaugh wasn't here last year he can't assess Heitzman, or anyone else, on the basis of last year. Thus, spring practice becomes the place they are evaluated to see if they have a spot or if a transfer in or new freshman would be a better use.

I'm sure Keith, like myself, never took for granted that he would get a fifth year and if he was like me, was well aware of that before agreeing to red shirt.

No school guarantees a 5th year. This is standard operating procedure for a new coach.



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The Claw

July 22nd, 2015 at 2:51 PM ^

brings out the best in everyone.  He must have felt that he wouldn't get the playing time and left.  I agree nothing should be handed to anyone. Good luck and enjoy Athens.