5th Year seniors had to "audition" during spring practice

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This bummed out Keith Heitzman, which led to his transfer to Ohio University.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2015/07/22/ex-wolverine-heitzman-turned-off--tryout-under-harbaugh/30510509/

 

We've all heard some buzz about 5th years not being invited back, but this is the first time I've heard that there was a formal try out process.

amaizenblue402

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:20 PM ^

He didn't want to try out because he felt entitled. Seems to me he really didn't want to be there anyways.



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jg2112

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:20 PM ^

The import from this story was that guys who wanted a fifth year of scholarship money would have to tryout, and in response to this, we've seen a bunch of guys leave the team.

I would suspect Harbaugh is fine with this and would rather have guys around who want to fight for their spot instead of being excited for an opportunity with the Bobcats.

CoverZero

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:23 PM ^

Kids these days are soft.  They need to learn that LIFE IS COMPETITION EVERY DAY.

Pipkins talking shit to ESPN, or some other guy complaining about having to "audition" just shows how SOFT & ENTITLED Hoke's "115 Sons" are.   Like...Donut Soft...

as in 38-Donut vs. ND... and a terrible couple of seasons where the SOFT kids never played up to their athletic potential.

Dont let the door hit ya in the ass if you cant hack competition.

#Harbaugh

mgoblue0970

July 22nd, 2015 at 5:31 PM ^

I don't disagree.  Michigan has pretty much sucked for a while now.

In fact, if Michigan didn't play like a bunch of pussies that game (go back and look at the tape after Morris got hit -- not ONE of the lineman went after Minny's LB and they all stood around with their thumbs up their asses), then Michigan and Minny are both .500 in B1G play in 2014.

But that's changing the subject.  I posted that Minny was more physical than us last season and that's why they won.  That notion was challenged.

Goose1724

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:26 PM ^

If a player was hard working and motivated, he will bust his hump and make the team. JH doesn't want someone on the team who doesn't embrace this. Plus it frees up a few scholarships for a few 2*, err, 4* recruits.

BlueinOK

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:26 PM ^

My thoughts on scholarships are they are a one year tryout for anyone. I know schools are moving to the four year scholarship, but if someone isn't getting the job done there's nothing wrong with letting them go. A lot of the time it isn't about talent. I've seen some very good players cut at my school due to work ethic or attitude. I'm not saying that's the case here, but you need guys with the right attitude to make a strong program. 

Mr Miggle

July 22nd, 2015 at 5:38 PM ^

There is something wrong with cutting someone with a guaranteed four year scholarship. The rule puts more pressure on coaches to recruit well. That means looking beyond the talent and adding weight to work ethic and coachability. We've already seen plenty of indications that Harbaugh is doing just that. 

Unicycle Firefly

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:28 PM ^

How could any self-respecting football player publicly say that they didn't want to try out/compete for a spot? Good luck explaining that to NFL scouts next year, if you draw any interest.

Magnus

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:36 PM ^

I think this thread is lacking a little perspective.

Heitzman jumped at the chance to play for Michigan when he was recruited. He redshirted and worked his way up the depth chart. He played a fair amount at defensive end before switching to offense because the offense needed a tight end. He wanted to be at Michigan, he worked at it while he was there, and he stayed out of trouble. I think he was good enough to be in the rotation either on offense or defense, although probably not a starter.

Then a new coach comes in. All he did for the previous years was thrown out the window, and the new coach says, "If you want to stay on the team, you have to audition." I think Heitzman had shown already that he's a good enough player to be "on the team."

Should he have left town? I don't know. But saying "it bummed me out" isn't enough to incite much of a response from me. It would be a little frustrating, and I think you're being disingenous if you think your response would be "Yippee! I'm so flipping excited that I get to try out for a team that I'm already on!"

Again, I don't really care about this one way or the other. Heitzman isn't a great player and won't be missed a great deal, but he's also not exactly ripping Michigan or Harbaugh on his way out, either.

Magnus

July 22nd, 2015 at 1:04 PM ^

Apparently, the people who work for the Columbus Dispatch thought Heitzman was important enough to feature in an article. I don't see anything indicating that Heitzman called them up and said "Write about me! Write about me!" and he wasn't a bombastic player at Michigan, either. I think he's getting a little too much flak for saying "It bummed me out." As far as inflammatory comments go, that's about a 2 out of 10.

Ron Utah

July 22nd, 2015 at 5:52 PM ^

Who's worked up?

I don't have any ill feelings towards Heitzman.  I don't think he made a bad decision.  I think he made a decision that I would not have made, and that it indicates that his competitive drive is not what Harbaugh is looking for.

I wish Heitzman the best at Ohio and beyond.

gwkrlghl

July 22nd, 2015 at 6:41 PM ^

It's tough to be in the spotlight because you never know when a single sentence is going to be blown entirely out of proportion like this one. Plus, Heitzman was always basically a reserve player. How often has large scale media cared what he's had to say? (No offense, just saying)

Sometimes it's amazing what will get blasted to the corners of the earth. Harbaugh could be having a hum-drum presser and at some point he could mumble "Yeah, we like to think we work our guys harder than the competiton". All of a sudden you've got Skip Bayliss on First Take discussing the topic "Harbaugh: Slave Laborer"

Seemingly innocuous stuff can get blown up in a hurry

SteelBrad

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:44 PM ^

I agree with what you say. On the flip side, why was Heitzman bummed? He worked his ass off all these years and now he's bummed he has to try out?

Something tells me all of the players are in the process of "trying out". Work hard and get better.



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Magnus

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:58 PM ^

From his perspective, ihe implication of asking him to try out might be "I don't think you're good enough. But I'll give you a chance to prove me wrong." Again, that's not a huge insult...but the vast majority of us wouldn't be jumping up and down with excitement, either.

Magnus

July 22nd, 2015 at 1:10 PM ^

I don't know what kind of singing you did, but I know how lots of choirs work. Music directors keep their jobs based on the number of kids they have in the program and how much they succeed. Having to try out for choir every year basically means, "If you were a complete asshole last year, this is my excuse to kick you out. Otherwise, I want you in my class so I can show the administration how great my program is."

Reader71

July 22nd, 2015 at 1:13 PM ^

Right. He said he was "bummed" by the situation. I'd bet everyone on here would be as well. I'd bet that just about every M 5th year senior was also bummed out. Some stayed and made the cut, others didn't, and others transferred rather than try out. But none of them was happy about it, even the guys who made it. The comment is a non-issue to me. Surprised its getting so much play.

Magnus

July 22nd, 2015 at 1:01 PM ^

It doesn't give him an advantage if he's only marginally better than another kid but the other kid has three or four years of eligibility left. And, as I've mentioned, he is/was not a star player. He's the type of player who might be on the chopping block, anyway. But as for 2015, he's a better player than Tom Strobel, Reuben Jones, Noah Furbush, Reon Dawson, etc.

AZBlue

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:51 PM ^

And while I don't agree with anyone with a "good riddance" theme, I do think that if he didn't see the need for a fundamental change in how things were being done in the program then he probably would not have enjoyed his final year in AA. It is a shame in that he probably would have seen decent playing time given JH's proclivity to use TEs and the relative lack of depth on the current roster. 5th years are becoming basically a free-agent period anyways in the NCAA for better or worse.

chatster

July 22nd, 2015 at 2:16 PM ^

Coach Harbaugh: Keith, I’ve heard good things about you; but I have to let you know that we can’t guarantee that you’ll be able to get a scholarship for next year. We’re going to use winter workouts and spring practices to determine who will be invited to fall camp and who will be offered scholarships for next season. And that goes for everyone on the roster. I hope you’ll understand, and that you’ll want to compete. If not, I’ll understand and wish you the best of luck if you decide to graduate and move on.
 
Keith Heitzman (IF he really wanted to return to Michigan for a fifth year): Coach, I understand. I love this University. I’ve worked very hard to be able to contribute to this Michigan football team; and I’m going to work just as hard or even harder during the winter workouts and spring practices to make you and the rest of the coaches believe that I can be a valuable contributor again next season and that I’ll be worthy of a scholarship.
 
And one more thing:
 
As for Keith Heitzman's decision to pursue a Master’s degree in recreational sports sciences at Ohio University, I wonder whether, if he really had wanted to stay at Michigan, the University of Michigan’s School of Kinesiology could have found a way to accommodate him in the Master of Science in Kinesiology program – “a degree program where students study human movement in depth from different perspectives. In addition to coursework, our program provides students with the opportunity to gain valuable and relevant research experience focused on topics such as obesity, diabetes, mechanisms of joint injury, movement-based rehabilitation, and learning and adaptation of motor behavior across the lifespan. The strength of this program is its flexibility; working directly with faculty advisors, students can design programs to meet their particular interests.”  LINK
 
 

Magnus

July 22nd, 2015 at 1:32 PM ^

...or maybe you would realize that Jake Butt is better than you, so maybe it's not a bad idea to transfer somewhere where you can start.

Lots of guys transfer, and it works out for some and not for others. Who knows whether he made the right or wrong choice?

Ron Utah

July 22nd, 2015 at 2:33 PM ^

You're conflating two issues here and missing my point.  It's fine for Heitzman to seek an opportunity he perceives is better at Ohio.  I have no problem with that at all.  But he would have seen that Butt was a better player whether he had to audition for his spot at U-M or not.  He could have chosen to transfer (like a lot of 5th years do, ie Blake Countess) based on his desire for a better opportunity, and not because he was bummed about having to try out.

From Heitzman's comments, it sounds like the tryout impelled him to seek opportunities elsewhere.  To me, that's the sign of some one who did not want to compete for their spot on the team.  It sounds like, absent the tryout, Hetizman stays at Michigan.  That is VERY different than just deciding to transfer because you believe there is a better opportunity elsewhere.

Magnus

July 22nd, 2015 at 3:32 PM ^

Those two things are not mutually exclusive. Big changes in a person's life generally don't come down to one issue. He was behind Jake Butt, he was bummed about having to try out, he was graduating, he had an opportunity to transfer and play immediately, etc. I don't see why it has to be one thing or the other.

Ron Utah

July 22nd, 2015 at 5:04 PM ^

"Obviously, (Jim) Harbaugh coming in was going to change things at Michigan — do things his way,"Heitzman told the Dispatch. "But I didn't know if I wanted to try out. That definitely took me off-guard. I was bummed out."

The try out is why he looked elsewhere.  Without the tryout, he would not have.  Like I said, I have no problem with him looking for what he believes is a better situation for him, but if the reason he's doing it is because he's not sure he wants to try out, a fair and reasonable conclusion is that he did not want to compete for a roster spot.  I understand that sentiment, but it's not how I would have handled it, and it's not the kind of mentality I want on the team.

Magnus

July 22nd, 2015 at 5:16 PM ^

Sorry, but this doesn't prove that it's the SOLE reason he left. Again, life decisions rarely come down to one factor. If you break up with a girl, you might tell your friends it's because she doesn't want to have kids. That doesn't necessarily account for the fact that maybe she's messy, maybe you don't like her friends, maybe she's careless with money, etc.

I'm not looking for all the reasons. I don't expect you to know them. All I'm saying is that one reason doesn't guarantee the absence of others.

chatster

July 22nd, 2015 at 9:54 PM ^

Have you heard from any of your insiders about Jim Harbaugh’s side of this story? Do you know exactly what was said in Jim Harbaugh’s conversation with Keith Heitzman? Would your opinion about Keith Heitzman’s statements change in any way, if you learned that Jim Harbaugh told Keith Heitzman something like what I posted above?
 
Keith, I’ve heard good things about you; but I have to let you know that we can’t guarantee that you’ll be able to get a scholarship for next year. We’re going to use winter workouts and spring practices to determine who will be invited to fall camp and who will be offered scholarships for next season. And that goes for everyone on the roster. I hope you’ll understand, and that you’ll want to compete. If not, I’ll understand and wish you the best of luck if you decide to graduate and move on.
 
And finally, I've come to believe that if Keith Heitzman believes that he is good enough to play another season of college football (and maybe also play professionally, if that's his dream), but he realizes that his playing time this coming season at Michigan would be somewhat inconsequential, then it would've made sense for him to (a) seek an opportunity to get more playing time at a different school, and (b) consider playing at a school in his home state where the tuition costs would be considerably lower than if he were to have stayed at Michigan for a fifth year as a non-scholarship player.

Magnus

July 22nd, 2015 at 1:13 PM ^

LOL. I was "bummed out." That's the point. It's a rather innocuous statement, isn't it?

The way your comment came across, you were equating yourself with Heitzman and saying that what matters more than him being "bummed out" is the fact that you felt bad that Michigan went 5-7. 

But hey, name-calling is fun. It's the internet. Have at it all you want.